Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Korolyow Barry Kent.JPG
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No indication that the subject (i.e. the medal) is PD in both the US and Russia Papa November (talk) 17:35, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
"Medal is PD"? I'm sorry but medals can't be copyrighted. Their' DESIGN is the subject of copyrights. I'm not minting medals, you know. What about photos of statues? They also must be PD? And coins? And cars? And buildings? Barry Kent (talk) 17:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
- Copyright applies automatically to any creative work. As you said, the design of the medal is copyrighted. By taking a photo of it, you are making a derivative work and you can't publish derivative works without permission from the copyright holder. Unless the design of the medal is in the public domain, or the copyright holder has given permission then this photo is a copyright violation. Some countries have exemptions from copyright law for certain types of work. It's possible that Russia treats medals as being in the public domain, but I'm not aware of such a law. Papa November (talk) 21:50, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
- "By taking a photo of it, you are making a derivative work" - no, I'm not. If I would use it's design (i.e. for minting a similar medal) - that would be a derivative work. Barry Kent (talk) 08:37, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
- From Commons:Derivative works: "all transfers of a creative, copyrightable work into a new media count as derivative works." The new photo based on a creative, copyrightable medal therefore counts as a derivative work. The fact that it's a different medium (ie photography rather than minting) is irrelevant. Papa November (talk) 22:59, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
- You're interpratation is wrong. I.e. statues are copyrighted, but does not mean you can't take pictures of statues and upload them to Commons. Barry Kent (talk) 00:08, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
- You can publish photos of copyrighted, publicly visible statues if freedom of panorama exists. However, I don't see the relevance here, as this only applies to permanently exhibited items. Papa November (talk) 12:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
- You're interpratation is wrong. I.e. statues are copyrighted, but does not mean you can't take pictures of statues and upload them to Commons. Barry Kent (talk) 00:08, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
- From Commons:Derivative works: "all transfers of a creative, copyrightable work into a new media count as derivative works." The new photo based on a creative, copyrightable medal therefore counts as a derivative work. The fact that it's a different medium (ie photography rather than minting) is irrelevant. Papa November (talk) 22:59, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
- "By taking a photo of it, you are making a derivative work" - no, I'm not. If I would use it's design (i.e. for minting a similar medal) - that would be a derivative work. Barry Kent (talk) 08:37, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Deleted. No clear reason why this design should be public domain. Unless we have evidence that it is, the uploaded photograph is an unauthorised derivative work. MichaelMaggs (talk) 15:07, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
