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I think it's important to make the distinction between the Chinland Council, who controls the majority of northern Chin State, and the Chin Brotherhood, a rival Chin group allied with the Arakan Army that controls Matupi and Kyindwe (see [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Myanmar_Civil_War_detailed_map Myanmar civil war detailed map]). Given that the two groups have [https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/two-fighters-killed-as-rival-myanmar-resistance-groups-clash-in-chin-state.html recently clashed], I think it's important to make the distinction. [[User:CrazyMagicPickle|CrazyMagicPickle]] ([[User talk:CrazyMagicPickle|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
I think it's important to make the distinction between the Chinland Council, who controls the majority of northern Chin State, and the Chin Brotherhood, a rival Chin group allied with the Arakan Army that controls Matupi and Kyindwe (see [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Myanmar_Civil_War_detailed_map Myanmar civil war detailed map]). Given that the two groups have [https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/two-fighters-killed-as-rival-myanmar-resistance-groups-clash-in-chin-state.html recently clashed], I think it's important to make the distinction. [[User:CrazyMagicPickle|CrazyMagicPickle]] ([[User talk:CrazyMagicPickle|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

== van lingen sources ==
mogok is surrounded to the west https://x.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1807754199184155060
south of hpakant https://x.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1805142585129787616
between myitkyina and china border represents bases that are taken near mingming and sadung https://x.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1800536157639647352
I think the other changes are sourced but I cant find them on first view :@[[User:EmeraldRange|EmeraldRange]]:


also I found another conflict map no idea on how reliable https://x.com/MyanmarWarMap that seems to largely agree with multiple things here

also something else there still being junta presence outside of papun even original reporting mentioned there was still junta presence around papun
and there should be fighting in mogok, hispaw, momeik, thandwe

Revision as of 08:43, 3 July 2024

Multple Small Updates

myebon was captured by the aa acording to irrawaddy what are the sources for the area controlled by southern shan state army bordering kayin sate and the pnla area of control around hsihseng the area controlled by the pnla seems generally unclear mabein was also captured by kia and pdf forces the area between shan and kachin state seems inacurate more generally Thomas Van Linge seems to be a very good source for map edit and has his own map that would be good to look at -fireduck420

Shan State Army - South lost some of its northern territory

According this articles from April and May 2023 on Myanmar Frontier and TNI, Shan State Army - South lost some of its northern territories during conflict with Shan State Army - North, TNLA and UWSA. SSA-S has on the map territories on the far North from its headquarters. This territories conquered SSA-S in 2015, but in 2021 SSA-N, TNLA and UWSA pushed back. The articles do not say exactly how far south SSA-S has been pushed, but it is likely that SSA-S currently controls less territory than shown on the map. 

In the same vein, in 2015 the SSA-S intruded into areas claimed by the SSA-N and TNLA in northern Shan, but in 2021 it was pushed back with overwhelming firepower by their combined forces, aided by the UWSA. It is believed that China also wanted the SSA-S out of northern Shan and gave indirect orders to expel its troops from that territory. (https://www.frontiermyanmar.net/en/how-internal-conflict-in-shan-state-has-kept-it-aloof-from-the-spring-revolution/)
 the RCSS has been forced to retreat from the territories in northern Shan State...Two areas in Shan State came under heavy crossfire during February this year. Fighting broke out between the Restoration Council of Shan State (RCSS) and the combined forces of the Shan State Progress Party (SSPP) and allied Ta’ang National Liberation Army (TNLA) in Namtu, Hsipaw, Kyaukme and Mong Kai townships. (https://www.tni.org/en/article/the-advance-and-retreat-of-a-shan-army?content_language=my) Dr. Ivan Kučera (talk) 18:30, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In addition UWSA has control over its discontiguous southern section on the Thai border as well- but I'm not sure of what sources to use to map SSA-S's current control. EmeraldRange (talk) 18:43, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Namkham

Namkham is not "contested" between KIA and TNLA. They are both anti-government groups and control it jointly, so it should be split dot instead. Can you fix it @EmeraldRange:  ? Borysk5 (talk) 07:39, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Needs Updating

Pauktaw and Kyaukme have fallen to rebels aswell as alot of the roads around the capital of Chinland (De Jure) Hakha, aswell as Hopang has been transferred to the Wa State, if you have followed the irrawaddy which is probably the best source on this civil war, 77.44.68.140 11:26, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

15 Feb Update Log

New colour changes for readability + add PNLA

  • AA -> f3eba5
  • SSPP -> cceadd
  • PNLA (new) --> c190df

Generally removed some less relevant city labels, made more important towns larger, labelled newly relevant areas

Update Wa: - > Hopong control Update SSPP-> pushed south into RCSS territories Add PNLA around Hsiseng Update Karenni -> Shataw captured; Pekhon contested Fix placement of Dawei Add more breaks in junta road control in Chin -> supply ambushes/roads contested Sagaing --> Tamu not contested any more; Kawlin junta controlled

Update KIA territory:

  • Pushes from Shwegu down to Momeik
  • Hpakant more surrounded
  • Bhamo not contested

Update TNLA:

  • Namkham TNLA control
  • Kutkai contested;
  • KIA contiguous east of Kutkai
  • Uncontested cities near TNLA -> ceasefire no contestation

Update AA:

  • Kyauktaw, Mrauk U and Minbya townships totally controlled, most of Pauktaw controlled
  • Myebon contested
  • Ramree NOT controlled; update Ramree fronts

Sources:

  • Thomas Van Linge update (as of 1/2) [1]
  • Kutkai contestation of control: [2]
  • Namhkam control: [3]
  • Ramree control: [4]
  • Sittwe control: [5]
  • Several AA captures: [6], [7]
  • Hsihseng contestation: [8]

EmeraldRange (talk) 02:31, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@EmeraldRange: Thanks for updating the map, cheers! Johnson524 (talk) 12:25, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

16 Feb Update

Small update to include:

Myebon taken by the AA on 15 Feb. source

Mabein was taken by KIA in January source

Updated Arakan generally with this ISP source map EmeraldRange (talk) 15:14, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

16 March

Hoben7599 (talk) 06:31, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

17 March

A lot of general updated based on @IdioticAnarchist's suggestions + sources added; specifically:

Base map update on changes from Thomas van linge: https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1763537700718514451 dated March 1st Major: Added PNA control in colour #e899b7 (de-facto control over en:Pa-O Self-Administered Zone except where shown to be some other control. It's unclear where Thomas sourced the non-PNA groups in the SAZ but as sources come this may change/get updated.

East

North

Southeast

EmeraldRange (talk) 16:51, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

4 April

Base map- update from Thomas van Linge relying on prior sources in this page + the following for corrections. (https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1775518732422402519?t=3wPumTFxS9n_7cfoDTf28Q&s=19)

Shan

Kachin 0307

Southeast

Other

EmeraldRange (talk) 20:53, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese translations wildly off

@GoombaKoopa, Over the past few months of editing it, the zh-hant chinese has becoming pretty wildly off. The tool that you used throws the error "This file contains a switch element that contains an element that is not a text element." My understanding is pretty limited, so was wondering if you could help resolve that issue. I'm happy to go in and make the translations myself. EmeraldRange (talk) 21:06, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

27th April

the area between maybein and mansi should be controlled by kia and not the junta as seen in thomas van lingen map and others probably sumphrabum should be capture by kia also according to van lingen hpakant should also be fully surrounded from nathan ruser https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1783037045478453628/photo/1 -fireduck420 april 27th — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fireduck420 (talk • contribs) 01:33, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

29th April

1st of may

new map from van lingen https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1785610412110602461 multiple changes including some just wrong things from before that haven't been corrected sumphrabum should be controlled by the kia there's no evidence of government forces being there for months dotphoneyan has been captured by the kia for at least a month I don't think momauk should be contested no evidence of fighting happening there rn small expansions for north shan to the north based on van lingen map the area between mayawaddy and Kawkareik should be karen controlled there's a bunch of fighting happening there rn government should also own kk park area to the north of mayawaddy as seen on the van lingen map in rakhine expanded Arakan Army presence near thandwe based on van lingen also to the southwest of ann the government exclave-looking area representing a base that was captured this was also reported by Nathan Ruser https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1784232157507879379 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fireduck420 (talk • contribs) 12:42, 2 May 2024 (UTC) -fireduck may 1st — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fireduck420 (talk • contribs) 12:42, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

18th of may

the stuff above still apply there should be fighting in buthidaung maungdaw with the aa and in mansi and momauk plus there should just be more labels on the map something I didn't notice earlier that's on the van lingen map kia should have more control towards homalin not in homalin itself tho and more aa control around maugdaw and buthidaung --Fireduck420 (talk) 05:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC) 19th may buithdaung has also fallen to the aa --Fireduck420 (talk) 02:09, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

24th of May

Fixed locations of Hakha and Falam

The dawna mountain range is controlled by the KNLA, encircling Myawaddy. https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/junta-reinforcements-myawaddy-still-fail-recapture-knlas-control-over-road-access-kawkareik

Battle of Tedim is fought between ZRA and CNA forces, not state forces. https://cnimyanmar.com/index.php/english-edition/21852-battle-breaks-out-between-zra-and-cna-in-tedim

KIA Seizes All Junta Posts on Waingmaw-Laiza Road and entering Waingmaw starting the battle for the town. https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/kia-seizes-all-junta-posts-waingmaw-laiza-road-all-access-downtown-waingmaw-under-kia-control

KIA seizes Mansi and Momauk, some bases outsides still remain though, the southern road has been cut of and no junta outposts remain, only KIA bases such as the Han Htet Camp and Si Hkam Gyi Outpost so safe to say its under KIA control.

https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/kia-gains-control-over-2-townships-resistance-advances-towards-bhamo MrBLOCKiron (talk) 19:45, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

26th of May

Sumprabum captured by Kachin https://myanmar-now.org/en/news/kachin-fighters-capture-town-in-myanmars-far-north/

Dawthponeyan Captured by KIA

https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/kia-takes-four-towns-over-80-myanmar-junta-bases-since-launching-offensive-two-months-ago.html

No reports of Ann being contested

KNLA captures Pedet village (Forgot to link last edit) https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/spring-revolution-captures-7-military-posts-tanintharyi-region

Fighting isn't ongoing in Tedim

Shwe Pyi Aye contested https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/war-against-the-junta/myanmar-junta-battling-to-retake-town-near-india-border-from-civilian-govt.html

Montauk or Mansi contested, bases still remain

Taw Hein captured https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/war-for-rakhine-arakan-army-closing-in-on-myanmar-junta-western-headquarters.html

Bhamo and surrounding towns encircled. https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/myanmars-military-is-being-cornered-in-kachin-state-ethnic-army-says.html + Thomas van Linge analytics

No battle in Hopang or Mongpawn https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/sspp-not-entering-civil-war-fray-saber-rattling-or-lost-translation

KIA controls Hpare https://www.globalwitness.org/en/campaigns/natural-resource-governance/fuelling-the-future-poisoning-the-present-myanmars-rare-earth-boom/

All of Tonzang township captured https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/conflict-tonzang-township-destroys-over-40-homes

Clarified the situation in the Southern Wa State https://www.burmalibrary.org/sites/burmalibrary.org/files/obl/5-23-2019-SSRC-SHRF-Press-release-Eng-report.pdf MrBLOCKiron (talk) 14:29, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BGF's

I support the inclusion of border guard forces in the map but they need to be added to the key summary thing :@EmeraldRange:

also, I think we should add the Kaladan River in Rakhine as it is a pretty important river --Fireduck420 (talk) 02:43, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They are labelled- we decided to put the KNA and NDA-K on the map since they are BGFs with somewhat independent/neutral stances. Other BGFs aren't included since there are dozens of them. Agreed on Kaladan but that's sadly beyond my ability. EmeraldRange (talk) 02:48, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

29th of june

tnla is fighting the junta now nawnghko was captured by the tnla fighting in kyaukme hispaw mogok and others probably kia captured some places between hpakant and mohnyin aa captured thandwe air port fighting in matupi also there is two different chin groups that don't align with each other no clue where there respective territorrys are — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fireduck420 (talk • contribs) 03:52, 29 June 2024 (UTC)--Fireduck420 (talk) 00:48, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

30th of june

matupi has fallen to chin resistance forces --Fireduck420 (talk) 00:48, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2nd of july

new van lingen map https://x.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1807764437421433228 bunch of changes — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fireduck420 (talk • contribs) 13:33, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chin Brotherhood vs Chinland Council

I think it's important to make the distinction between the Chinland Council, who controls the majority of northern Chin State, and the Chin Brotherhood, a rival Chin group allied with the Arakan Army that controls Matupi and Kyindwe (see Myanmar civil war detailed map). Given that the two groups have recently clashed, I think it's important to make the distinction. CrazyMagicPickle (talk) 19:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

van lingen sources

mogok is surrounded to the west https://x.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1807754199184155060 south of hpakant https://x.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1805142585129787616 between myitkyina and china border represents bases that are taken near mingming and sadung https://x.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1800536157639647352 I think the other changes are sourced but I cant find them on first view :@EmeraldRange:


also I found another conflict map no idea on how reliable https://x.com/MyanmarWarMap that seems to largely agree with multiple things here

also something else there still being junta presence outside of papun even original reporting mentioned there was still junta presence around papun and there should be fighting in mogok, hispaw, momeik, thandwe

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