User talk:VernoWhitney

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TUSC token 0a489b7bac730236897ca851f12a3af5

I am now proud owner of a TUSC account! — Preceding unsigned comment added by VernoWhitney (talk • contribs) 04:39, 29 March 2011‎ (UTC)[reply]

Metal Bird.jpg for deletion

Hello,

My User Name is Xolin. My real name is Colin George Jeffrey, and I am the copyright owner of the image you wish to delete. I made the sculpture in question and I took a photograph of it and uploaded it to Wikipedia myself. Please DO NOT delete it. If you would care to verify my copyright, please email me from the Contact page at the Website that you mention: www.electric-hamster.com

Regards,

Colin — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.104.44.129 (talk • contribs) 00:11, 31 October 2012‎ (UTC)[reply]

Hello again.

Why did you completely and utterly ignore my comment above? I OWN this image because I CREATED this sculpture!

AS I ASKED you - please contact me viait the contact page on the Electric Hamster Website as I asked you to do.

Why have you simply removed this without even consulting me?!?

Colin George Jeffrey— Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.104.44.129 (talk • contribs) 01:05, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

I've responded on my talk page. —Tom Morris (talk) 01:59, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I responded to the second part of your query too. —Tom Morris (talk) 23:24, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sam Mills Statue

Hey, I noticed you requested the picture for the Sam Mills statue be deleted. Is there any way to research the copyright status of a statue? I don't believe the Panthers copyrighted the statue, but I would like to find out so the picture can possibly be re-added. Toa Nidhiki05 (talk) 03:37, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Depending upon when the statue was created, copyright may be automatic -- File:PD-US table.svg is a (very) brief and simplistic rundown of the basics for that. The Copyright Office's public catalog can be searched at http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&PAGE=First but it can be hard to find what you're looking for unless you know the name of the statue or the artist/corporation which registered it. It's not particularly user-friendly. VernoWhitney (talk) 16:45, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I tried the copyright searcher already, and there was nothing for a statue with codewords 'Carolina Panthers' or 'Sam Mills' - of course, it could fall under the designer (who I do not believe is known). I suppose I could e-mail the Panthers about the copyright status of the statue but barring that there isn't really anything about it. Toa Nidhiki05 (talk) 22:28, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if the statue was created any time since March 2, 1989 it's pretty simple: it's automatically copyrighted no matter what and we would need an explicit release from the statue's copyright holder (whoever it is) in order to take a free photo of it. If it was earlier than that then it gets more complicated. VernoWhitney (talk) 23:50, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The statue was created sometime 1998 after Mills was inducted into the team's Hall of Honor. I did get a response via email from the Panthers general council, Richard Thigpen, on the issue:

There is not a problem if the photo is purely for personal use. It may not be used in any commercial context. Please let me know if you have more specific questions.

So with the combination of the two, it doesn't appear it can be used. Thanks for the help. :) Toa Nidhiki05 (talk) 16:07, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your patience and looking into that. It's always nice to have a definitive answer, even when it's not the one you're hoping for. There are a lot of nice modern statues that are only fair use since there's no freedom of panoram for that sort of artwork in the U.S. VernoWhitney (talk) 00:04, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Metal Bird file removal from Found Art/Found Object

Hello.

As I told you before, I CREATED this sculpture , I am the owner of the copyright, and it is me who took the picture of my OWN work!

Why didn't you contact me to confirm this from the contact page of Electric Hamster, like I asked you to? Why have you deleted this file without any reference whatsoever to me??

I feature the picture of my Tea Bird on the FRONT PAGE of my website. It is my work. What more do you want me to do to prove this? Send you a photo of me holding the sculpture..??!??!!?

http://www.electric-hamster.com/

Colin George Jeffrey— Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.104.44.129 (talk • contribs) 01:11, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

File:Ruger-lcp-1.jpg

I saw you marked this file for missing permission. Please have a look at the talk page and the edit history. The image has been hosted on en.wikipedia before and was correctly transferred over here. If you really think the file should be deleted, I suggest a formal deletion discussion. Regards, De728631 (talk) 18:17, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I've now looked at the edit history and the talk page. I also looked at the deleted version of the image on enwiki. I didn't see verified permission anywhere. Just because an admin didn't check for evidence when they deleted the image there doesn't give an unsupported claim additional authenticity. VernoWhitney (talk) 20:35, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Anyhow, I've notified the original uploader at WP, who has been inactive since 2008, so I guess this file will soon be deleted. De728631 (talk) 21:37, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I hadn't bothered with that step as they hadn't replied to any of the other messages left them in the years since they retired.
In somewhat related news, there is a Flickr-user who uses CC-BY and has a Ruger LCP judging by this photo, so it may be possible to get in contact with them and request a verifiably free replacement photo from them. VernoWhitney (talk) 00:22, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Metal Bird.jpg for Deletion

Hello. Again.

I left you several messages on here, and a method of contacting me for clarification, neither of which you deigned to respond to.

I see that you have been on here as you have been conversing with someone else.

So; will you now please respond to my questions as to why the file in question has been deleted despite the fact that I asked you not to, despite the fact that I gave you an avenue to contact me, and despite the fact that I have affirmed that i am, in fact, the copyright owner of this image?

I reply rather more quickly to people who give off rather less of a sense of entitlement. As a general rule I do not communicate about actions on Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons via email. I am not the admin who deleted your image, I am only the editor who began the deletion discussion as there was no evidence that you were the copyright holder. In order for us to be able to accept previously published work, we need a verifiable statement of permission. Please see Commons:OTRS for the process. VernoWhitney (talk) 23:58, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]


'A sense of entitlement'? Goodness.

First of all, I would not have repeated my request in an ever-more strident manner had someone simply bothered to tell me what to do when I first asked some months ago (and then again in the following weeks) instead of simply ignoring me.

Secondly, I find it particularly galling that as a supposedly 'Open' and 'Inclusive' collaboration in the sharing and expansion of knowledge, your behaviour indicates the opposite - especially when someone who doesn't know your precious 'Rules' is treated with such disdain.

Thank-you so much for your help.

CGJ

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