Commons:Deletion requests/File:Behind the Door.webm
Nominating because this restoration was deleted at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Behind the Door (1919).webm. I am neutral. Prospectprospekt (talk) 21:08, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
Kept: Movie is in the public domain. I don't think coloring is creative enough, even when it is itself derivative of the original prints (as stated in the previous nomination). Had the musicalized version been uploaded it would have certainly been deleted, but this muted version is completely fine as it is firmly in the public domain in the US. --Bedivere (talk) 04:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Although the original movie is public domain, this particular restoration apparently contains new copyrightable elements: "No single, complete, copy of the film is known to survive. This restoration is based [on] an incomplete 35mm print and a separate small roll of shots preserved at the Library of Congress National Audio-Visual Conservation Center, and a 35mm copy of a Russian version, based on an export negative preserved at Gosfilmofond of Russia. In two sequences, still images have been inserted to bridge gaps where motion picture material was not available. Shot continuity and text for re-created intertitles and bridging stills are based on director Irvin Willat's original script and continuity. Color tinting and toning have [been] reproduced based on the laboratory notations in the leaders of the Library of Congress print." Thus the new editing, bridging sections, recreated intertitles, and possibly tinting are copyrighted. Nosferattus (talk) 01:17, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- FYI, I also nominated this restoration for deletion at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Behind the Door (1919) by Irvin Willat.webm. According to SilentRobert3 at Commons talk:Deletion requests/File:Behind the Door (1919).webm, there are bridging sequences at 43:08 and 50:30; in our version they are at 43:56 and 50:29 respectively. SilentRobert3 also implies that there are "new 'insert' shots and titles" apart from the two aforementioned sequences.
- I searched the Catalog of Copyright Entries for any registrations by Flicker Alley. The only one I could find is PA0001194345, their restoration of Lewis Milestone's 1928 film The Garden of Eden. "Editing", "text", and "compilation" are all listed as part of the "Basis of Claim" for that registration, and Flicker Alley says that it is "mastered from what is considered to be the best surviving elements." Maybe Flicker Alley did something similar here? I think we should contact them to know (1) exactly what additional editing they did apart from the two bridging sequences and (2) what their correspondence with the Copyright Office regarding their registration for The Garden of Eden contained, because that would probably be useful for this case. prospectprospekt (talk) 00:11, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- I haven't reviewed the video closely, but if the bridging sequences are the only issue, I think the best approach would be not to delete the video but to mark it as {{Non-free embedded}} and open a COM:GL/AV request to trim them out of the video. The reconstructed intertitles are more complex than the typical restoration since they've got image backgrounds, so that might end up being the more important issue. hinnk (talk) 01:10, 1 October 2024 (UTC)