Commons:Deletion requests/File:Hogwarts Legacy.jpg
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COM:FOP Germany only applies to permanently installed works. This advertising poster appears to be temporary. Wcam (talk) 13:25, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
- It is not a poster but a mural painted on the wall. Someone removed "murals in Germany" from the "hogwarts legacy" category. But you can still find the words "mural" and "Wandgemälde" in the file description. You can also look at File:Hogwarts Legacy 2.jpg (in the very same category!): you can clearly see the bolts in the wall, that could be used to mount a temporary advertising poster and they have not been used but instead overpainted with wall paint. It is even better visible in File:Heidi Klum Mural.jpg (same building, other side) and File:Heidi Klum Mural 7.jpg. C.Suthorn (talk) 15:38, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
- The only way to remove this permanent murals would be by destroying them in place. C.Suthorn (talk) 15:45, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
- An advertisement poster for a video game is typically designed to be a temporary promotional tool to increase awareness and generate interest in the game. As such, these posters are usually only paid for a short period of time, and are not intended to be permanent installations. Firstly, video game companies often have a specific marketing budget allocated for advertising, which includes the cost of creating and distributing promotional materials such as posters. This budget is typically allocated for a certain period of time, and once it is exhausted, the advertising campaign will end. This means that the company will not continue to pay for the posters once the budget has been used up. Secondly, video game posters are designed to be eye-catching and attention-grabbing, but they are not intended to be permanent fixtures. Outdoor posters are subject to weather conditions and can become damaged or faded over time. Moreover, they may be subject to vandalism or defacement, which could affect the game's image negatively. For these reasons, video game companies typically do not invest in long-term outdoor advertising campaigns using posters. Thirdly, video game companies often change their marketing strategies frequently in response to market trends and consumer behavior. This means that they may not want to commit to a long-term outdoor advertising campaign, as they may need to shift their focus to a different marketing approach in the future. In conclusion, video game advertisement posters are usually only paid for a short amount of time, as they are intended to be temporary promotional tools. These posters are not permanent installations and are subject to weather conditions and other factors that could damage or affect their effectiveness over time. Moreover, video game companies often change their marketing strategies frequently, which means that they may not want to commit to a long-term outdoor advertising campaign. --Wcam (talk) 04:13, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Keep Es ist klar gemalt, keine Plane. Egal wie lang, das ist "auf Lebenszeit" angebracht und somit Panoramafreiheit anzuwenden. --Ralf Roletschek 06:07, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Delete The question of "permeance" ultimately comes down to if the work of art will "from the point of view of the general public, [it is] intended to remain in the public place for a long, mostly indefinite, period of time". So does that apply to this mural? Not according to this article. To quote from it "If you want to see the graffiti live, you have to hurry: Despite the great effort, such murals usually have a very short 'lifespan' and are therefore only active for a few days before they are replaced by the next advertising motif." Nothing about that makes it sounds like the mural placed there with the purpose of it staying up for an indefinite period. Seriously, why would it be? No is going to care about Hogwarts Legacy in a few years, if they even do now. So it would be ridiculous to act like an ad for it would stay up permanently. That's not how advertising works. Especially in the video game world. It's not like paintings can't be taken down either. Nor does the law say anything about the work having to attached to fixtures for it to be permanent or not either. At least not that I'm aware of. --Adamant1 (talk) 22:28, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
- Germany is full of murals, that are advertisements for products where the company that made it went bancrupt decades ago. Especially in the formner GDR you will see ads at walls for businesses that went out of business in 1945. By the logic expressed above no graffiti in Germany would fall under FoP. I.E. the wall gallery near Berlin Ostbahnhof with its paintings of Gorbatschow kissing Honecker and so on would not fall unser FoP as these images get overpainted often. Also a MediaMarkt in Rhineland-Palatine that has a 15m x 5m ad for the Samsung Galaxy S 10, while Samsung is at the same time selling the S 23 and has stopped support for the S 10 years ago: The add can still be seen from rail cars passing by. C.Suthorn (talk) 11:05, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
- You can always find edge cases to argue whatever point your trying to make. I don't think the fact that some murals are never taken down doesn't negates the nature of the thing or if this is permanent in the way that the law stipulates or not though. "All posters are permanent because there's still an example of a poster from World War 1 stuck to a wall somewhere" is just a bad, non-argument. Commons:Copyright_rules_by_subject_matter#Posters still makes it clear that images of posters are generally not acceptable anyway. In this case most murals of advertisements are taken down after the ad has ran its course. That's just a fact. Again, that a few here and there are left up doesn't change that or make them permanent. --Adamant1 (talk) 17:42, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
- It is a mural. Not a poster. C.Suthorn (talk) 08:54, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- I'm aware. It's called an example. Just like you brought up graffiti in your last comment even though it clearly isn't graffiti. Why not respond to the point I was making instead of playing dumb by acting like you don't know what an analogy is? --Adamant1 (talk) 15:42, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- It is a mural. Not a poster. C.Suthorn (talk) 08:54, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- You can always find edge cases to argue whatever point your trying to make. I don't think the fact that some murals are never taken down doesn't negates the nature of the thing or if this is permanent in the way that the law stipulates or not though. "All posters are permanent because there's still an example of a poster from World War 1 stuck to a wall somewhere" is just a bad, non-argument. Commons:Copyright_rules_by_subject_matter#Posters still makes it clear that images of posters are generally not acceptable anyway. In this case most murals of advertisements are taken down after the ad has ran its course. That's just a fact. Again, that a few here and there are left up doesn't change that or make them permanent. --Adamant1 (talk) 17:42, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
- Other stuff. Like I said you can cherry pick examples of murals for advertisements still being around all day long, but that doesn't change the nature of if they are permanent or not. "Cars must be permanent, stationery objects because this car has been sitting in the woods since the 1930s" isn't an argument. It's also just circular because there obviously aren't going to be pictures of advertising murals that have been taken down still being up to prove they aren't around anymore. I can guarantee that if you were look through images of any semi-large city that were taken more then a few years ago there will be plenty of advertising murals that aren't up anymore though. --Adamant1 (talk) 19:43, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
Deleted: per nomination. --The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 23:49, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
