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The result was '''no consensus'''. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<span style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Sandstein '''</span>]]</span></small> 16:33, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
===[[Matt Feiler]]===
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*'''Delete''' - Non-notable former college football player, and pro practice squad member who has not played in a regular season game. Subject does not satisfy specific notability criteria for a college athletes per [[WP:NCOLLATH]], nor for pro football
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* '''Comment'''. A quick search does turn up some coverage, including '''(1)''' [http://lancasteronline.com/sports/matt-feiler-s-hard-work-with-houston-texans-pays-off/article_b87b65c4-a4e9-11e4-bbc0-1b4c0c9bec93.html this], '''(2)''' [http://lancasteronline.com/lampeterstrasburg/sports/lampeter-strasburg-product-matt-feiler-signs-with-steelers/article_bd3c9a16-5654-11e5-a09c-dfb0b54288da.html this], '''(3)''' [https://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-35705303.html this], and '''(4)''' [https://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-35601099.html this] from the [[LNP Media Group]], '''(5)''' [http://www.pennlive.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/05/lampeter-strasburg_grad_matt_f.html this] from ''[[The Patriot News]]'', and '''(6)''' [http://collegefootball.ap.org/article/ap-little-all-america-team-list-0 this] from the [[Associated Press]] naming him to its Little All-America Team. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 13:28, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
:*FYI, Lancasteronline.com = LPN = LPN Media Group = ''Lancaster Patriot-News'' = ''[[The Patriot-News]]'', are all one and the same source, and the subject's hometown newspaper in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. The Associated Press wire coverage of the Little All-America selections is a mere listing, and the Little All-America Team is not a major CFB award or honor and objectively is of far less significance than even minor selectors of Division I FBS All-America teams. In order to satisfy GNG, we need to see significant coverage in multiple independent, reliable, secondary sources. [[User:Dirtlawyer1|Dirtlawyer1]] ([[User talk:Dirtlawyer1|talk]]) 14:10, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
::: I believe you are incorrect. The ''[[The Patriot News]]'' appears to be distinct from the [[LNP Media Group]] (not "LPN"). Accordingly, there is significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources. That said, there is a tendency to discount (but not disregard) sources from smaller media outlets. I'm not sufficiently familiar with Lancaster County, though I note that ''The Patriot News'' claims half a million weekly readers. Because of my lack of familiarity, and also because I tend to hold Division II players to a higher standard, I am on the fence on this one. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:24, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
:::: I stand corrected: we have coverage in ''not one, but two hometown newspapers''. The usual measure of paid circulation is the daily number of hard copies actually sold, which averaged roughly 62,000 for the 6 months ending September 30, 2014 according to the Audit Bureau of Circulation. "Readers" is the happy-talk marketing number, and using the weekly number instead of the daily number clearly sounds more impressive. In any event, it's still a slender thread upon which to base the notability of a wannabe professional athlete. I got more coverage as a junior high school art student on the front page of the "Local/People" section in my hometown newspaper with greater audited circulation -- perhaps that makes me a notable artist per GNG? {{smiley}}
:::: Just to be clear on the corrected tally: we have four articles, arguably significant coverage, all from the same source, LNP/Lancasteronline.com/LNP Media Group, and one "transaction" article in the separate ''Patriot-News'', plus one bare listing of the subject's name in an AP wire article. Still looks like a GNG fail to me, lacking ''significant coverage'' in ''multiple'' independent, reliable sources. [[User:Dirtlawyer1|Dirtlawyer1]] ([[User talk:Dirtlawyer1|talk]]) 19:57, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
::::: Thank you for admitting your error. However, since ''[[The Patriot-News]]'' serves Harrisburg, and Feiler is from Strasbug, which is located about 50 miles away, I don't think it can be regarded as his "hometown" newspaper. In the end, I'm not voting "keep", but it's a closer call IMO than you suggest. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 23:37, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' if that's all we have, I don't see it being enough to pass [[WP:GNG]]. More turns up, I'll listen...--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] ([[User talk:Paulmcdonald|talk]]) 18:45, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' The page has good sources and the player in on an NFL roster. If the only reason this person does not require a page is because he hasn't "played a down in the NFL" then why are there so many other player pages of players that have never played a down in the NFL still active and not being reviewed? In my opinion, if a player in on an NFL roster (that includes practice squad) then a player page is noteworthy. They're are only 10 players allowed on a teams practice squad and if a team wins the Super Bowl, practice squad members are given a ring for contributing to the team. [[User:UW1941|UW1941]] ([[User talk:UW1941|talk]]) 16:37, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
**''Comment'' your opinion is valued and you should feel free to disagree. There has been extensive discussion on this issue before, and the overall consensus is that the practice squad does not automatically qualify for notability. If the player had extensive coverage for college play or any other issue, then they could pass the [[WP:GNG|general notability guideline]] which is based on extent of coverage in third party reliable sources. I don't think that has been achieved here, but I could be wrong and missing something (or heck I could just be wrong). Consensus can change. Keep up your disagreement.--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] ([[User talk:Paulmcdonald|talk]]) 16:52, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' per {{user|Cbl62}}'s sources. The first and third sources from [[LNP Media Group]] provide substantial coverage of the subject. The fifth source from ''[[The Patriot News]]'', which provides significant coverage, notes: "Feiler was a four-year starter for Bloomsburg, and he never missed a game in four years. In his senior campaign last fall, he was an Associated Press Little All-American pick, and he was tabbed an All-American by Don Hansen Football Gazette." There is enough coverage for him to pass [[Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline]]. [[User:Cunard|Cunard]] ([[User talk:Cunard|talk]]) 07:45, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
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*'''Keep''' per {{user|Cbl62}}'s sources. There's many reliable sources. --[[User:MurderByDeadcopy|<i style="color:#B00000; font-family:Casual;">'''MurderByDeletionism'''</i>]][[User talk:MurderByDeadcopy|<sup style="color:black;"><i>"bang!"</i></sup>]] 01:36, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
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