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== August 2017 ==
 
{{Unblock reviewed|[[User:Yamla|Yamla]], the block is no longer necessary because I understand what i have been blocked for, I will not continue to cause damage or disruption, and will make useful contributions instead.|decline=Parroting Yamla's message with no indication of understanding is not going to get you unblocked. [[User:Huon|Huon]] ([[User talk:Huon|talk]]) 20:32, 23 July 2019 (UTC)}}
<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> [[File:Stop x nuvola with clock.svg|40px|left|alt=Stop icon with clock]] You have been '''[[WP:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for a period of '''24 hours''' for [[WP:Edit warring|edit warring]], as you did at [[:Michael Michael]]. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to [[WP:Five pillars|make useful contributions]]. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may [[WP:Appealing a block|request an unblock]] by first reading the [[WP:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]], then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page: <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx|" code. -->{{tlx|unblock|2=reason=''Your reason here &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;''}}.<p>During a dispute, you should first try to [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|discuss controversial changes]] and seek [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]]. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]], and in some cases it may be appropriate to request [[Wikipedia:Protection policy|page protection]]. &nbsp;[[User:Alex Shih|Alex Shih]][[User_talk:Alex Shih|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:21, 24 August 2017 (UTC)</p></div><!-- Template:uw-ewblock -->
:: This is a reflection of the suggestion that was made to you [[Special:Diff/796394982|here]]. Please take the time necessary and [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Hillbillyholiday_reported_by_User:AlexEng_.28Result:_.29|address the concerns]]. Thank you. [[User:Alex Shih|Alex Shih]][[User_talk:Alex Shih|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:21, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
 
== Blocked for sockpuppetry ==
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! What a shit-shamble of mongsters! Did you even ''bother'' to look at that article? Of ''course'' you didn't... Y'know, I'm suddenly minded of an old comment from one of our more eloquent erstwhile contributors:
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== Precious anniversary ==
{{tq|I'm glad that the stereotype of Wiki editors as pompous, sanctimonious, power-drunk jobsworth arseholes actively blocking having entries improved and corrected if the requisite forms haven't been filled out in triplicate in exactly the right shade of blue ink between 2.16pm and 2.23pm on a Tuesday has turned out to be a myth.}}
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You'remiss an absolute embarrassment.you --[[User:HillbillyholidayGerda Arendt|HillbillyholidayGerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Hillbillyholiday#topGerda Arendt|talk]]) 1509:46, 2428 AugustJuly 20172020 (UTC)
:Likewise. Hari-kiri Te Kanawa one of my personal favourites. As was ConcerneAbbasGiant. You were [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_kKAeh6qyc very popular] in some quarters. [[Paul Dacre|Allegedly]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 10:13, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 
== Untitled ==
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Personally, I always thought you were a net negative. Your behaviour in the twilight of your Wikipedia "career" proved that. [[User:Neil S Walker|Neil S. Walker]] ([[User talk:Neil S Walker|talk]]) 20:40, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
:[[User:Alex Shih|Alex Shih]], just to clarify, if I might. Do you think, personally, on the basis of the sources that have been provided in the [[Michael Michael]] article, that he can be fairly accused of being involved in the murder of Charlie Wilson? I think you would agree with me that that is quite a serious accusation to make against someone who is still alive? Of course, having read the sources provided, you might feel that such a claim is indeed justified. In which case, I guess, you would feel it your duty to re-add that material. Personally, I'd recommend a little caution in that regard. Thanks for your time. Regards. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 16:18, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
:[[User:AlexAh Shih|Alexyes Shih]]Neil, Iyou've agree"retired"? withBut Martinevans123you come back just to add this. Without any prospect of a reply. Wow. [[User:DrmiesMartinevans123|DrmiesMartinevans123]] ([[User talk:DrmiesMartinevans123|talk]]) 1720:5844, 2413 August 20172020 (UTC)
::Hillbillyholday's [https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/08/wikipedia-bans-daily-mail-as-unreliable-source-for-website contribution to eliminating unreliable sources] is undeniable, and his parents were doorstepped by [[Jonathan_Harmsworth,_4th_Viscount_Rothermere|Vere Rothermere]]'s finest for his troubles. [[User:JezGrove|JezGrove]] ([[User talk:JezGrove|talk]]) 21:45, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
:: {{re|Martinevans123}} {{re|Drmies}} Thank you both. I have explained my rationale and the follow-ups [[User_talk:Alex_Shih#Your_block_of_User:Hillbillyholiday|on my talk page]]. [[User:Alex Shih|Alex Shih]][[User_talk:Alex Shih|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 19:12, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
:::FWIW, Michael Michael has been reporting as saying he knows who killed Charlie Wilson. The gutting and edit warring on the article removed that little important bit. So no, that is not a BLP violation. —&nbsp;[[User:Nihlus Kryik|<span style="font-weight:bold; font-family:Segoe Script; color:red;">nihlus kryik</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;([[User talk:Nihlus Kryik|<span style="font-family:Segoe Script; color:silver;">talk</span>]]) 19:17, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
::::You have some better sources for that claim? Or is that ''[[History (U.S. TV network)|The History Channel]]'' again? I think you'll find that, in the real world of libel and defamation, compliance with Wikipedia editing policies count for very little. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:21, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::I don't understand your assertion that I need to provide sources. I stated the reason for the paragraph and why it was included and that it wasn't accusing him of the murder as you said. —&nbsp;[[User:Nihlus Kryik|<span style="font-weight:bold; font-family:Segoe Script; color:red;">nihlus kryik</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;([[User talk:Nihlus Kryik|<span style="font-family:Segoe Script; color:silver;">talk</span>]]) 19:26, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::'''"Murder of Charlie Wilson"''' is just the sort of neutral section heading you might find in anyone's article? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:08, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, that's a piss poor title, but you're trying to argue with the wrong person, as all I intended to do was clarify what happened. —&nbsp;[[User:Nihlus Kryik|<span style="font-weight:bold; font-family:Segoe Script; color:red;">nihlus kryik</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;([[User talk:Nihlus Kryik|<span style="font-family:Segoe Script; color:silver;">talk</span>]]) 20:14, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::::I'm all for clarification. That particular article, for example, looks a lot clearer to me in its present form. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:25, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
:: {{ping|Drmies}}, I'm disappointed because I expected you'd at least check the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_Michael&oldid=796922066 edit history] before agreeing with this nonsense. The section heading "Murder of Charlie Wilson" was clearly listed as a ''subheading'' of "Career as Informant". Nobody was accusing the subject of murdering Charlie Wilson, but instead discussing the claim that subject knew the identity of the killer. This is as far from a BLP violation as I can imagine. [[User:AlexEng|<span style="color:#00C5CD">'''Alex'''</span><span style="color:#9CBA7F">'''Eng'''</span>]]<sup><small style="font-size:80%;">([[User_talk:AlexEng|<span style="color:#FF83FA">TALK</span>]])</small></sup> 20:46, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
:::Sourced to ''[[The Sun (United Kingdom)|The Sun]]'', {{u|AlexEng}}? [[WP:BLPSOURCES|Really]]? --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John|talk]]) 20:53, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
::::Yeah, {{u|John}}, I agree it could use a [[WP:RS|RS]], but that's a far cry from the outlandish claim that the subject was being "accused of being involved in ... murder". It also doesn't excuse a 3RR violation, when the policy explicitly states {{tq|"but my edits were right, so it wasn't edit warring" is no defense}}. This is ''especially'' egregious given the fact that [[WP:3RRNO|3RRNO]] was explicitly ''not'' used as rationale in any of the edit summaries, and the editor failed to participate in discussion which would have easily cleared this up despite urging to do just that. [[User:AlexEng|<span style="color:#00C5CD">'''Alex'''</span><span style="color:#9CBA7F">'''Eng'''</span>]]<sup><small style="font-size:80%;">([[User_talk:AlexEng|<span style="color:#FF83FA">TALK</span>]])</small></sup> 21:08, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::AlexEng, I don't understand why you're disappointed in me--if you have any expectations of me, you should know me, and if you know me, you know that "err on the side of caution" is my BLP mantra. I do not understand why a slew of experienced editors can't just let that be while the matter is being discussed. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 21:10, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::Drmies, we've had positive interactions before, and I had never known you to rush to conclusions. Your words carry a lot of weight, so I had hoped you would be more careful before publicly stating your agreement. [[User:AlexEng|<span style="color:#00C5CD">'''Alex'''</span><span style="color:#9CBA7F">'''Eng'''</span>]]<sup><small style="font-size:80%;">([[User_talk:AlexEng|<span style="color:#FF83FA">TALK</span>]])</small></sup> 21:29, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::::AlexEng, please don't overestimate the weight of my words, or the importance I attach to the BLP. My wording is actually pretty careful here considering I have ''not'' delved so deeply into the matter that I want to speak out in condemnation of this editor or that--but I have looked deeply enough to be convinced that the BLP was reasonably invoked, which is about all I can ask for. I can be stubborn and sometimes less calm than I want to be when it comes to being reverted, but I hope it has never happened after someone invoked the BLP with a reasonable claim. I believe this here was reasonable enough, and reasonable enough for an unblock. I agree with John, about on who the onus is etc., and that Hillbillyholiday could have left better edit summaries; sure. But note when the block came--quite some time after Hillbillyholiday had stopped reverting, so there also I don't think this was a really good block--{{U|Alex Shih}}, I'm sorry, but do I see this correctly, that the block came a day after? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 21:48, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::::{{u|Drmies}}, to the bulk of your response {{endash}} fair enough. However, I don't agree that the way in which Hillbillyholiday behaved is appropriate. If this were a case of a reasonable claim of [[WP:3RRNO]] by reason of BLP exception, it should have been stated... literally anywhere. Instead, I saw canned revert summaries, which only exacerbate an edit war. I should also point out that Hillbillyholiday [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive348#User:Hillbillyholiday_reported_by_User:Nihlus_Kryik_.28Result:_On_break_.29 was reported] for edit warring 5 days ago, and the report was closed as "stale" because he announced a wiki-break. I would say a block was warranted then, but avoided by that announcement. When you add up 3 incidents in 4 days, you don't think a 24h block is warranted to halt continued disruption? [[User:AlexEng|<span style="color:#00C5CD">'''Alex'''</span><span style="color:#9CBA7F">'''Eng'''</span>]]<sup><small style="font-size:80%;">([[User_talk:AlexEng|<span style="color:#FF83FA">TALK</span>]])</small></sup> 00:03, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::Why would we mention the murder on his article if he was not involved in it? Yet none of the reliable sources made the connection. Detailed discussion of this is one for the article talk page really. But you must accept that HBH's edits were absolutely correct, and that anyone reverting was egregiously breaching BLP. I agree the edit summaries could have been clearer, but really the onus is on those wanting to restore the material. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John|talk]]) 21:12, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::I just explained why: because he was thought to have inside knowledge about the identity of the killer, according to the last statement in that paragraph. Why would you assume that the presence of a section heading with the word "murder" implies that the subject is the perpetrator? The article is largely about the subject's career as an informant. I absolutely do not accept that his edits were right, and I'm going to throw that back at you: you must accept that HBH's edits were absolutely incorrect, and that his reversions were an egregious breach of 3RR. To reiterate what I said in my previous statement, whether he was right or wrong, edit warring is unacceptable. Surely you must understand that, at least, even if we don't agree on the content dispute. [[User:AlexEng|<span style="color:#00C5CD">'''Alex'''</span><span style="color:#9CBA7F">'''Eng'''</span>]]<sup><small style="font-size:80%;">([[User_talk:AlexEng|<span style="color:#FF83FA">TALK</span>]])</small></sup> 21:29, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_Michael&oldid=794774617 The version] that made that allegation was sourced to ''The Sun'' and the ''Daily Mail'' which are not reliable sources. They can publish allegations like that and have the resources to fight a resulting legal case. [[WP:BLP]] and [[WP:ARBBLP]] are clear that we have a higher standard. It isn't a content dispute and it isn't a debate. You signed up for this and you [[WP:TOU|consent to it with every edit you make]]. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John|talk]]) 22:06, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::::{{u|John}}, can you clarify to which "allegation" you are referring? My understanding is that you're talking about the claim that the subject of the article provided information to police about the murder of Charlie Wilson. This is not contentious, nor would it be considered contentious by a reasonable person; the subject is a well-known police informant. The evidence for that ''particular'' claim is spotty, if at all existent. I think we agree on that bit. What we don't agree on, if I understand correctly, is the idea that it is acceptable behavior to revert without explanation 7 times on an article and refuse to participate in discussion. If it is your position that this fits the standards of behavior on the project, then I oppose this point of view. It is supported neither by policy nor by the linked Arb case, which specifically points out that incivility is prohibited. [[User:AlexEng|<span style="color:#00C5CD">'''Alex'''</span><span style="color:#9CBA7F">'''Eng'''</span>]]<sup><small style="font-size:80%;">([[User_talk:AlexEng|<span style="color:#FF83FA">TALK</span>]])</small></sup> 23:48, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::It seems I didn't look back far enough. So, just to clarify again. Did that article suggest that informing on the identity of the killer of Charlie Wilson was part of Michael's "'''Career as Informant'''"? Not quite as serious a claim as that he was involved in the murder, but a wholly unsubstantiated claim nevertheless? [[User:AlexEng]], you're suggesting that it would be acceptable to leave the article in that version which suggested (very strongly to me, obviously) that Michael actually was involved in the murder? Are you intending to revert that last deletion by HBH? Thanks. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:24, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::{{u|Martinevans123}}, I'm suggesting that a discussion, as initiated by Tenebrae in the article talk page would have easily cleared up any misunderstanding. At the very least, if he was serious about improving the article, he could have changed the section heading to be clearer rather than revert without comment 7 times. I'm also suggesting that this editor has actively refused, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_page_protection&type=revision&diff=796936183&oldid=796935756 in the past], to engage in talk page discussions when asked. [[User:AlexEng|<span style="color:#00C5CD">'''Alex'''</span><span style="color:#9CBA7F">'''Eng'''</span>]]<sup><small style="font-size:80%;">([[User_talk:AlexEng|<span style="color:#FF83FA">TALK</span>]])</small></sup> 21:34, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::::And I'd have to agree with you, over the potential value of a Talk page discussion. I just think that your notion of "serious" and that held by HBH are currently "divergent." [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:44, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah, that may be true. I just hope we don't diverge in our notions of "disruptive." [[User:AlexEng|<span style="color:#00C5CD">'''Alex'''</span><span style="color:#9CBA7F">'''Eng'''</span>]]<sup><small style="font-size:80%;">([[User_talk:AlexEng|<span style="color:#FF83FA">TALK</span>]])</small></sup> 21:50, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::Is it just me or does the relevant link on the [[Charlie Wilson (criminal)]] article lead to ''The Sun'''s thoughtful advice to Kylie Jenner from Justin Beiber?! [[User:JezGrove|JezGrove]] ([[User talk:JezGrove|talk]]) 22:27, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::::"Situations that happen taint your mind, especially in this industry. Especially for girls.” Sorry, but yes, it's [[Believe (Justin Bieber album)|just you]] Jezza. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:38, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::::No, you're right. It seems ''The Sun'' has changed their URL structure since 2013, when the article was accessed. Here's an [http://web.archive.org/web/20131209120942/http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/144139/Rat-shopped-wife-mother-brother-and-lover.html archived version], but there's a paywall. I don't think it worthwhile to replace the broken link with an unreadable version, though. [[User:AlexEng|<span style="color:#00C5CD">'''Alex'''</span><span style="color:#9CBA7F">'''Eng'''</span>]]<sup><small style="font-size:80%;">([[User_talk:AlexEng|<span style="color:#FF83FA">TALK</span>]])</small></sup> 22:45, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::::I'm not sure we should canvass [[User:John|John]] for his view of using a [[Cordon sanitaire|paywall]] for ''[[The Sun (United Kingdom)|The Sun]]''. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:52, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It turns out there's a [http://archive.is/RQjod version] without the paywall. I suppose I'll replace the old link. [[User:AlexEng|<span style="color:#00C5CD">'''Alex'''</span><span style="color:#9CBA7F">'''Eng'''</span>]]<sup><small style="font-size:80%;">([[User_talk:AlexEng|<span style="color:#FF83FA">TALK</span>]])</small></sup> 22:54, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::::::<smaLL>Ouch. Best not tell [[Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun|John]], then. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 23:00, 24 August 2017 (UTC) </small>
:::::::::::::::Phew, thank God Michael Michael wasn't accused of something REALLY heinous like tabloid journalism or backing Remain (take your pick .. ) [[User:JezGrove|JezGrove]] ([[User talk:JezGrove|talk]]) 23:08, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
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*{{comment}} The 24-hour block has been lifted at 22:00 UTC based on the [[User_talk:Alex_Shih#Your_block_of_User:Hillbillyholiday|discussion here]]. [[User:Alex Shih|Alex Shih]][[User_talk:Alex Shih|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 03:00, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
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== RequestA beer for you! ==
 
Could you possibly not edit at [[User talk:Flyer22 Reborn]] for the next while? I don't think anything good will come of it and I don't think anybody seriously believes you are a sockpuppet. Thanks for your cooperation. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John|talk]]) 16:35, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
:Sure thing. --[[User:Hillbillyholiday|Hillbillyholiday]] ([[User talk:Hillbillyholiday#top|talk]]) 17:38, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 
== The day the music died ==
 
[[Song cycles (Killmayer)]] for your inspiration. The author is in Recent deaths, - a first for me. Writing the article was an act of defiance. - The press: on 24 August the [[Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung|FAZ]] ''printed'' that [[Aloys Kontarsky]] died, without a DOD. That tells me that he died before that day, also see talk (where 22 was mentioned as likely but without confirmation). Now ''[[Le Monde]]'' printed that he died on 24 August, and it is in the article like that. <s>I don't know what to do.</s> --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 19:21, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 
I reverted it. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 19:39, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 
:Thanks for the inspiration, Gerda, sorely needed. I can't see anything wrong with having just August as the date pending alternative sources. Which of the [[Song cycles (Killmayer)|song cycles]] would you recommend as a toe-dipper? any good youtube links? ;) --[[User:Hillbillyholiday|Hillbillyholiday]] ([[User talk:Hillbillyholiday#top|talk]]) 19:51, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 
:: Try [https://www.google.de/search?q=michael+wollny+youtube&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=7tKhWYejBsn68AflkajABw this] (not Killmayer) ;) - Did you see the crazy DYK I made for Killmayer years ago? ({{diff|User talk:Gerda Arendt|797306399|797269813|was on my talk}})? Today, I would make three or four with that information. I never met him but two of his students, mentioned in his article. - Looking for Killmayer on YouTube, I find only one vocal entry, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdhMPNx9G9U Sappho]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 20:07, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 
:: The day mentioned above is now confirmed 22. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:02, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
 
=== The day you gave me a tree ===
... was [[User:Gerda Arendt/blushing#A tree for you!|21 August]], - I missed the anniversary, but was just reminded. I still works magic, as the 2012 tree there. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 06:30, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
 
== In case you need encouragement ==
 
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Although I did warn you for edit-warring/disruption, I have since realized that your efforts and intentions have been for the betterment of this site. —&nbsp;<span style="font-family:Helvetica">[[User:Anakimi|<b style="color:black">Ana</b><b style="color:#D60707">kimi</b>]]</span><sub>[[User talk:Anakimi|<i style="color:grey; font-family:Courier New">lambaste</i>]]</sub> &nbsp; 07:10, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
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==Notice of editing restriction==
By the consensus of the community [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&type=revision&diff=797877889&oldid=797876888], you are now subject indefinitely to the following editing restriction: Hillbillyholiday is restricted to one revert per article per every 72 hour period in the BLP topic area, broadly construed, except in cases of obvious vandalism. Hillbillyholiday is encouraged to take disputes to the article talk page or the BLP noticeboard. Any violation of this restriction may be enforced by a [[WP:BLOCK|block]] from editing. Please let me know if you have any questions as to what the restriction means. If you believe that this decision was made in error or is no longer necessary, you may appeal the restriction at the [[WP:AN|administrators' noticeboard]]. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]</sup></small> 18:05, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 
*[[The inmates are running the asylum|Finally, it's official]]! --[[User:Hillbillyholiday|Hillbillyholiday]] ([[User talk:Hillbillyholiday#top|talk]]) 18:11, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
:*I'm sure we could arrange that you have your medicine [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJDWd91nlI4 another way]? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:32, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
::*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-majBG-jSX4 Rules?] --[[User:Hillbillyholiday|Hillbillyholiday]] ([[User talk:Hillbillyholiday#top|talk]]) 20:47, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
::::"Took me down on the highway, Doing [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCALZYy4ji4 too many miles an hour]". [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:02, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::Haven't I told you 4500 times not to quote Quo lyrics?[[User:JezGrove|JezGrove]] ([[User talk:JezGrove|talk]]) 21:15, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::<small>"We all make mistakes, [[Paper Plane (song)|forgive me]]?" [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:21, 29 August 2017 (UTC) </small>
::::::: [[Remember not, Lord, our offences]] (not by me) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:43, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
:: I was there, in and out. Better tell stories: [[The Tale of Tsar Saltan (Rimsky-Korsakov)|The Tale of Tsar Saltan, of his Son the Renowned and Mighty Bogatyr Prince Gvidon Saltanovich and of the Beautiful Princess-Swan]] --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 20:59, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
::::As McMurphy put it, <blockquote>"Jesus, I mean, you guys do nothing but complain about how you can't stand it in this place here and you don't have the guts just to walk out? What do you think you are, for Chrissake, crazy or somethin'? Well you're not! You're not! You're no crazier than the average asshole out walkin' around on the streets and that's it." </blockquote> And yet, here we all are…! [[User:JezGrove|JezGrove]] ([[User talk:JezGrove|talk]]) 21:01, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3c2cXiEUHo&t=67 Not for too much longer, I expect...] --[[User:Hillbillyholiday|Hillbillyholiday]] ([[User talk:Hillbillyholiday#top|talk]]) 15:47, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 
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:Gosh, [[User:Nihlus Kryik|Nihlus]], that sounds like a lorra fun!
:Just so you know, [[WP:IAR|I have absolutely no intention of abiding by this silly restriction.]] --[[User:Hillbillyholiday|Hillbillyholiday]] ([[User talk:Hillbillyholiday#top|talk]]) 15:56, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 
::I argued for you in the discussion where this restriction was imposed; nonetheless, consensus is against you. IAR is a thing, but ignoring this rule will have the consequence that you will be blocked from editing. [[User:GoldenRing|GoldenRing]] ([[User talk:GoldenRing|talk]]) 17:18, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 
:::Oh noes! [[User:GoldenRing|GoldenRing]], if I see and remove BLP-violating bullshit on my travels and some know-nowt nudnik straight-up reverts me without explanation, then yeah, I will take it to the BLPN. But I am not going to hang around waiting for a response from the peanut gallery if there are serious problems, and I will revert back if I think it's necessary. This restriction is ludicrous and actually quite offensive considering I have done as much as anyone here to improve BLPs. I'm afraid it's IAR all the way, baby. --[[User:Hillbillyholiday|Hillbillyholiday]] ([[User talk:Hillbillyholiday#top|talk]]) 17:29, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 
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:'''[http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/Q/quantum-bogodynamics.html "When the bogon encounters its antiparticle, the cluon, they mutually annihilate each other, releasing magic smoke."]''' --[[User:Hillbillyholiday|Hillbillyholiday]] ([[User talk:Hillbillyholiday#top|talk]]) (cf. [http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/when-the-seagulls-follow-the-trawler-it-is-because-they-think-sardines-will-be-thrown-into-the-sea-1613641.html Seagulls])
 
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:Poifect. I'd just booked a week's hols in sunny Angoisse. See you next Friday! --[[User:Hillbillyholiday|Hillbillyholiday]] ([[User talk:Hillbillyholiday#top|talk]]) <small>([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOLDA1iJ4yM Sigh.])</small>
 
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:Per the following edits: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Manny_Pacquiao&oldid=801749799], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Manny_Pacquiao&oldid=801748745], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Manny_Pacquiao&oldid=801748225], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Manny_Pacquiao&oldid=801717546]. 1RR per 72 hours means just that. [[User:RickinBaltimore|RickinBaltimore]] ([[User talk:RickinBaltimore|talk]]) 16:26, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 
 
*That 1RR thing was bullshit -- a halfwitted hamstringing imposed by a passing mob of clueless drama-whores more concerned with slavish adherence to arbritrary "rules" than living people. Well, Rick, I am going to cock a snoot at both "restriction" and "block" per the following policies: [[WP:IAR|Ignore all rules]] and [[WP:Anyone can edit]].<p>Don't worry though, my socks are easily spotted: just look for anyone signing off with [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Flyer22_Reborn&diff=797357906&oldid=797356695 two dashes!] --[[User:Hillbillyholiday|Hillbillyholiday]] ([[User talk:Hillbillyholiday#top|talk]]) 16:54, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 
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::[[Dying Earth|Ain't nobody got time for that!]] {{wink}} --[[User:Hillbillyholiday|Hillbillyholiday]] ([[User talk:Hillbillyholiday#top|talk]])
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== Singing your praises ==
 
{{diff|User talk:Gerda Arendt|805417566|805389196| ... in memory}} --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 07:31, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 
:Thanks, Gerda. How [http://www.jazz-on-line.com/a/mp3t/TS480722.mp3 grand you are!] An honour, I'm sure, [https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8654/16497858438_97723ea876_b.jpg but...] --[[User:Hillbillyholiday|Hillbillyholiday]] ([[User talk:Hillbillyholiday#top|talk]])
 
::Hillbillyholidaying in [[Cardiff Blues|Cardiff]] this year are we Sir? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDTsbMiWwvQ There's lovely, look you]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:45, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
:::Haha, we also calls it "golden vag" down by ere, but I usually makes do with [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2EaGmpyR5c dog-ends] off the pavement... --[[User:Hillbillyholiday|Hillbillyholiday]] ([[User talk:Hillbillyholiday#top|talk]])
:: The {{diff|User talk:Joefromrandb|805462788|805418112|response from another one in the club}} was a bit more enthusiastic ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:59, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
:::Well that Joe seems like a nice chap, I must say. Don't know much about this other fellow [https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Snoutcast snoutcast] -- although [[Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech|the name rings a bell]]. --[[User:Hillbillyholiday|Hillbillyholiday]] ([[User talk:Hillbillyholiday#top|talk]])
::::[[Ouch (song)|ouch!]], straight [[Show Me the Money (UK game show)|on the money]] there boyo, lol. Do you realise that was the first [[The Tears of a Clown|actual laugh]] I have had here in four months?? I loved Billy too, you know.... his chirpy little ways... his friendly peck of the finger when you [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd0SsY9PRfw&t=8s stuck it through the bars of a morning]... *sob" [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 23:21, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 
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== Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda ==
 
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<big>[[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]]</big> <sup>[[User talk:Martinevans123|(Santa's Drop-in Centre)]]</sup> ... sends you ...<br/>
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... warmest seasonal wishes for ...... '''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGn4CVTNGQs Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda.]'''</big></big><br>
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Oi, Billy-hill-o-haz-beanz... Hoping that Christmas may bless you with [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wit-jGD4wCw peace, love and understanding]... and wishing that you have a good [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrukP_0NmfE run] in 2018!!<br/>
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==''Heddwch ac ewyllys da''==
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" |&#160;''Cheers!'' &#8209; &#8209; [[User:Gareth Griffith-Jones|Gareth Griffith&#8209;Jones]]&#160;<sup>[[User talk:Gareth Griffith-Jones|<small>The Welsh Buzzard</small>]]</sup> &#8209; &#8209; 18:56, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
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== Happy Holidays ==
 
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Looks a bit too fancy for a Hillbillyholiday beer, but beer's beer. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 17:45, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" |'''From Stave one of Dickens ''[[A Christmas Carol]]''''' <blockquote>Old Marley was as dead as a door-nail. Mind! I don’t mean to say that I know, of my own knowledge, what there is particularly dead about a door-nail. I might have been inclined, myself, to regard a coffin-nail as the deadest piece of ironmongery in the trade. But the wisdom of our ancestors is in the simile; and my unhallowed hands shall not disturb it, or the Country’s done for. You will therefore permit me to repeat, emphatically, that Marley was as dead as a door-nail.</blockquote> So you see even Charles was looking for a reliable source :-) Thank you for your contributions to the 'pedia. ~ [[User:MarnetteD|MarnetteD]]&#124;[[User talk:MarnetteD|Talk]] 19:29, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
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:And have one for me, too! [[User:JezGrove|JezGrove]] ([[User talk:JezGrove|talk]]) 18:53, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
::'ere, HillBillynomates, me ol' china? 'ow ya diddlin'?? I 'ad that gorgeous [[Angela Merkel|Angular Miracle]] in the back of me [[Vauxhall Astra|AstraZenica]] [[California über alles|holiday-in-my-Uber-cab]] the uvver night. Anyway, turns art she was over wiv the [[Septic tank|septics]] last year and she 'ad dis stonkin' [[yoke|egg]]:
:::Plane with five passengers on board, Donald Trump, Boris Johnson, Angela Merkel, The Pope and a ten-year-old school boy. The plane was about to crash and there are only four parachutes.
:::Trump says, "I need one. I'm the smartest man in the USA and am needed to sort out the problems of the World!". So he takes one and jumps.
:::Boris says, "I'm needed to sort out Brexit". So he takes one and jumps.
:::The Pope says, "I need one as the world needs the Catholic Church." So he takes one and jumps.
:::Angela says to the ten-year-old, "You can have the last parachute. I've lived my life, yours is only just starting."
:::The 10 year old replies: "Don’t worry, there are two parachutes left, the smartest man in the USA took my school bag."
::Yours ever, [[Death Cab for Cutie (song)|Dial-a-COVID-cab-123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:20, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
 
== stroll ==
== [[Richard Branson|Old Beardie]] ==
 
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Old Beardie wishes [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42621425 you well] and hopes you'll [[Fellow traveller|travel back]] soon!! [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:23, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
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<small>... and me. &#8209; &#8209; [[User:Gareth Griffith-Jones|Gareth Griffith&#8209;Jones]]&#160;<sup>[[User talk:Gareth Griffith-Jones|<small>The Welsh Buzzard</small>]]</sup> &#8209; &#8209; 19:32, 9 January 2018 (UTC)</small>
 
Shucks, like a narner [https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/03/180309125205.htm how time flies...] Wait, [[Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana|am i doing it right?]] Hope you are both well. --[[User:Hillbillyholiday|Hillbillyholiday]] ([[User talk:Hillbillyholiday#top|talk]]) 17:06, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 
:Congratulations on your [[A Year in the Life of a Year|eight days]] of [[Feist (dog)|feisty]] and controversial [[Thomas Bowdler|expurgations]]. At least you didn't link to any YouTube [[YouTube Poop|copyvios]], eh? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:48, 20 March 2018 (UTC) <small>p.s. I'd have to agree [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reese_Witherspoon&diff=830118716&oldid=830049718 that] did look entirely frivolous. But you could have at least searched for a [[Hello! (magazine)|better source]]??</small>
 
== Desert ==
 
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Handel'sOn birthdaythis wasday yesterday,in he composed1742, [[He was despised]], andwas Iperformed madefor itthe afirst redirecttime. in[[Andreas MarchScholl]] 2012.sang Forthat youfor us, - missyou are invited to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gerda_Arendt&oldid=1017546992 a Baroque stroll] while you wait for less despised times. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 2113:4109, 2413 FebruaryApril 20182021 (UTC)
 
[[File:Fly.gif|right|alt=Die Fliege|link=User:Nagualdesign/Die Fliege]]
:Thanks, Gerda. Always good to see you. Been away doing some dessert inspection myself, but, alas, I must make like a narner and [[Banana Splits|split]]. --[[User:Hillbillyholiday|Hillbillyholiday]] ([[User talk:Hillbillyholiday#top|talk]]) 17:08, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
thinking of you on [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gerda_Arendt&oldid=1030207572 in June], decorated with St. John wort and a rainbow, with some [[User:Gerda Arendt/Places and songs 2021|impressions of places, flowers and music]] for you --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 15:05, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 
:: It was good to see you. Just found this: {{YouTube|id=MfzK8a1z6co|''Die Passagierin'', Opera in Frankfurt}}, related to [[Zofia Posmysz]]. Will sing on Good Friday: "Durch dein Gefängnis" (by your prison). It was [[User:Gerda Arendt/Images 2018#Passion 2014|my DYK #500]], DYK? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 20:50, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 
:: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gerda_Arendt&oldid=833325161 I mentioned you among the despised] + I just saw the opera. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:49, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 
Did someone say [[Sticky toffee pudding|dessert]]? Great to see you've got your [[Baked Alaska (entertainer)|just desserts]], at last. "fnaar, fnaar" [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8eh72REd_s] [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:04, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
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== your tree remembered ==
 
== Another Daily Mail RfC ==
 
There is an RfC at [[Talk:Daily Mail#Request for comment: Other criticisms section]]. Your input would be most helpful. --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 12:10, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 
:Hi, [[User:Guy Macon|Guy]]. How thoughtful of you.
 
:So let me get this straight... You think that I'd be a good person to help decide on the wording of a criticism section about the newspaper I got "banned" from this site? A criticism section that refers to said "ban"? That uses as a source the [https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/08/wikipedia-bans-daily-mail-as-unreliable-source-for-website Guardian's scoop] which came about after I contacted their tech reporter? A criticism section in an article about the paper what went after my ''mother'' because they couldn't track me down? The paper that labelled me a [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4449896/What-Wiki-Hypocrite.html#reader-comments "vile internet troll"] a [http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/wikipedia-ban-condemned-by-daily-mail-as-cynical-politically-motivated-attempt-to-stifle-the-free-press/ "clearly obsessive newspaper-hater"] and a [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4280502/Anonymous-Wikipedia-activists-promote-warped-agenda.html "bigoted oddball"]??
 
:Of course, the idea of using Wikipedia to traduce their good name (again) is rather appealing, but you know what this place is like, full of Negative Nancys ever whinging about "[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=guy+macon+prefix%3AWikipedia%3AConflict+of+interest%2FNoticeboard%2F&title=Special:Search&profile=default&fulltext=1&searchToken=49e9dxvk02rys7698yqy3k8gc conflicts of interest]" and all that! <small>Oh, and in case you forgot, the Mail quoted your "Kill it. Kill it with fire" remark from the RfC and refer to you as one of a "self-selecting handful of other zealots".</small>
 
:Also, my enthusiasm for this site [[Vantablack|somewhat dimmed]] after the community sanctioned me for attempting to sort out various libellous articles, with two of the administrators that blocked me for removing libel now on the Arbitration Committee.
 
:So, all in all, all things considered, probably best I sit this one out. --[[User:Hillbillyholiday|Hillbillyholiday]] ([[User talk:Hillbillyholiday#top|talk]]) <small><small>(or should I just come back with a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Max_Mosley different username?])</small></small>
 
::Alas, I had two choices. [1] Give the same notice to everyone who !voted at the RfC, or [2] be accused of [[WP:VOTESTACKING]]. Of course I got accused anyway, but I do try to follow the rules. BTW, is it too late to get the (spit!) DM to upgrade me from self-selected zealot to vile internet troll? --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 00:04, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 
== [[WP:ANI]] ==
 
See [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Hillbillyholiday and BLP articles again]]. A permalink for it is [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=831480991#Hillbillyholiday_and_BLP_articles_again here]. [[User:Flyer22 Reborn|Flyer22 Reborn]] ([[User talk:Flyer22 Reborn|talk]]) 20:27, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 
== March 2018 ==
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:Not saying this place is run by a bunch of clowns, but I could probably sue for funfair dismissal. --[[User:Hillbillyholiday|Hillbillyholiday]] ([[User talk:Hillbillyholiday#top|talk]]) 14:43, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
::p.s. {{fbdb}} [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 07:06, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
 
I'm sick and f***ing tired of removing citations to ''The Sun'' (we still have about 80) and ''The Daily Mail'' (over 1200) from BLPs. Can I have a second for unblocking Hillbillyholiday (who I see was ''de-facto'' banned with thoughtful comments like "let's lose the asshat") or do we have to take it to the [[WP:Dramaboard]] first? [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 10:07, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 
:If only Hillbilly could [[Return of a Stranger (1937 film)|come back]] (without any attached socks) under a period of "supervised probation" and be given a useful task to complete like "remove all inappropriate DM citations"? But the likelihood of Neil agreeing to that doesn't seem [[Hell Freezes Over|very likely]], does it? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 10:18, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 
::I suppose I'd better go and look through those incredibly exciting ANI threads and see what the actual context is on this. I can contact Hillbilly off-wiki about an unblock, but there's no point if he's just going to get whipped by the peanut gallery and have the appeal tossed out. However, if I see evidence of editors restoring [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rebecca_Loos&diff=801557689&oldid=799898830 things like this], I will be unimpressed. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 10:38, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
::::Tossed out, eh? You can't beat a good [[The Boring Company|boar]], can you. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 10:54, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 
== Arbcom notice ==
 
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Thanks,<!-- Template:Arbcom notice --> [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] (<sup>[[User talk:Ivanvector|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ivanvector|Edits]]</sub>) 00:10, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 
== Precious anniversary ==
 
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Today, [[Teresa Żylis-Gara]], the second soprano to impress me on stage, died, - long live the memory of her beautiful singing, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gerda_Arendt&oldid=1041137042 remembered with thanks]. 28 August 2013 was a special concert day: [[User:Gerda Arendt/Images#28 August 2013|look]]. After you [[User talk:Gerda Arendt/Archive 2013#A tree for you!|gave me a tree]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:41, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
[[File:Fly.gif|right|alt=Die Fliege|link=User:Nagualdesign/Die Fliege]]
{{-}}
... and click on Die Fliege - for the missed, by a friend who is missed --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 06:08, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 
== Nadolig llawen a blwyddyn newydd dda ==
... six years now! I remember how you [[User talk:Gerda Arendt/Archive 2013#A tree for you!|sent me consolation when I almost needed it]], how we worked on an article together just because [[:File:Illuminated human alphabet.jpg|the alphabet image was so great]], [[User talk:Hillbillyholiday/Archive 3#For all my talkpage watchers|moar letters]], and inspirational talk right here. Miss it all. I have [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gerda_Arendt&oldid=908208845 easy-going communication] on my talk today, and memories of a great woman whose grave I photographed, and who was remembered in a concert of [[Songs and Dances of Death|songs and dances of death]], and flowers I saw with friends, and advice from another friend that can't be repeated enough: "{{diff|User talk:Br'er Rabbit|51844275|518287789|*Unfortunately there are people who get sucked into the 'encyclopedia' bullshit instead of realizing that the 'encyclopedia' is nothing more than the virtual world that gives context to the MMORPG. But I can't really complain, because I was one of them before I wised up. Go on with life, have a laugh, don't get too upset over this.}}" - Sadly, Die Fliege grew. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 06:58, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 
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<big>[[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]]</big> <sup>[[User talk:Martinevans123|(Santa's Hard Brexit Grotto)]]</sup> ... sends you ...<br/>
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid White;" |<font color =Green> '''So here's some [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urk3jCq_Ng8 Jingle Wings] and some [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz_1lDk8E84&list=FLV5nk42IUH1d1S4RQG3yfXA&index=2 Jingle Navidad Cubana] and some [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCjnvAToCIA Bryn] and some [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q47vTq_or_M Crickmore:Crewe] just for you!!'''<br><br><font color =red>'''Very best wishes for Christmas and the New Year.''' <font color =blue> [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:50, 22 December 2021 (UTC) </font>
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... warmest seasonal wishes for ...... '''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxDZjg_Igoc Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda.]'''</big></big><br>
Dear [[Both Sides, Now|Mr. Clouds]]. Sorry to see you have been blocked '''yet again.''' Ermm, [[User:Darkness Shines|Darkness Shines]]?? That seems a bit wide of the mark. Oh, I get it, it's got "Dark" in it. [[Nigger in the woodpile|Silly me]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:50, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
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[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEyV8gnC4aQ '''Merry Christmas Baby''']... and hoping that you have a good [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFIgMlBcKAs '''New Year'''] !!<br/>
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== 2019 ==
 
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<br />'''Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht'''
 
[[User:Gerda Arendt/Christmas 2018|Happy 2019]] -
 
[[Wikipedia:Main Page history/2019 January 1|begin it with music and memories]]<br /><br />
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Miss you --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 18:05, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 
== Reading Kafka ==
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Thank you for watching over [[Franz Kafka]]. Miss you. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:47, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
 
== FREE GIRAFFE ==
 
[[:File:Giraffe Mardi Gras Costumes in the Marigny 2012.jpg]]
 
Can I be unbolcked now please?
 
I will be good now i promise. [[User:Hillbillyholiday|Hillbillyholiday]] ([[User talk:Hillbillyholiday#top|talk]]) 01:37, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 
 
:You'd have a better change if you followed the correct process [[Wikipedia:Appealing a block]] - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">[[User:FlightTime|<span style="color:#800000">'''FlightTime'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:FlightTime|<span style="color:#FFD700">'''open channel'''</span>]])</small></span> 01:43, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 
I woulf but its quite trickyI'm using a phone I just borrowedOffa homeless man, and it doesn't even have square bracketson it.
 
Could udo it for me prtety please?
 
 
Thanjyou flufhtyine
 
{{Declined}}. Your talk page is to be used only for appealing against a block. The above does not appear to me to be a serious request. Talk page access may be revoked in future. --[[User:Kingboyk|kingboyk]] ([[User talk:Kingboyk|talk]]) 05:13, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 
=== Question for administrator ===
{{Admin help|answered=yes}}
See above.
 
--- <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">[[User:FlightTime|<span style="color:#800000">'''FlightTime'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:FlightTime|<span style="color:#FFD700">'''open channel'''</span>]])</small></span> 02:00, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 
{{unblock reviewed | 1=I will try to behave like a true wikipedian in the future. | decline = I am declining your unblock request because it does not address the reason for your block, or because it is inadequate for other reasons. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that
*the block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, <u>or</u>
*the block is no longer necessary because you
*#understand what you have been blocked for,
*#will not continue to cause damage or disruption, and
*#will make useful contributions instead.
 
Please read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]] for more information. [[User:Yamla|Yamla]] ([[User talk:Yamla|talk]]) 20:05, 23 July 2019 (UTC)}}
 
{{Unblock reviewed|[[User:Yamla|Yamla]], the block is no longer necessary because I understand what i have been blocked for, I will not continue to cause damage or disruption, and will make useful contributions instead.|decline=Parroting Yamla's message with no indication of understanding is not going to get you unblocked. [[User:Huon|Huon]] ([[User talk:Huon|talk]]) 20:32, 23 July 2019 (UTC)}}
 
I have revoked talk page access. Another admin will be along shortly to review the above unblock request. If declined, that leaves you with [[WP:UTRS]] and I strongly urge you to read [[WP:GAB]] before making a request there. --[[User:Yamla|Yamla]] ([[User talk:Yamla|talk]]) 20:15, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 
== Always precious ==
:In response to what action was talk page access revoked? Thanks. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:08, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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::For wasting reviewing admins' time and trolling. There's quite a lot of that on this talk page. [[User:Huon|Huon]] ([[User talk:Huon|talk]]) 22:39, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Ten years ago, [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement/Precious#{{BASEPAGENAME}}|you]] were found precious. That's what you are, always.
::: Desert, prison, Kafka. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:43, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
:::My question was addressed to [[User:Yamla|Yamla]]. Sorry if that wasn't clear. But perhaps you two have agreed an approach between you here? If the second request here is contrary to procedure, it might be helpful if you could spell out how. It looked like progress to me, but Hillbillyholiday has now been further punished for "parotting" and/or for "wasting reviewing admins' time and trolling"? Now that access to his own Talk page has been revoked, it's unclear what his next step should be. Are you just saying "don't even bother again" i.e. it's "game over"? Thanks. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 09:24, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
::::I'm confused as to why you think progress has been made here. I'm confused why you think offers of pictures of giraffes address the sockpuppetry. I'm confused why you think "I will try to behave like a true wikipedian in the future" address the sockpuppetry. I'm confused why you think copying and pasting my unblock decline is a meaningful step forward. This user is outright trolling. "I just borrowedOffa homeless man", "Could udo it for me prtety please?", etc. I'll also note that I provided a path forward. [[WP:UTRS]] is still available to this user. --[[User:Yamla|Yamla]] ([[User talk:Yamla|talk]]) 09:52, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for replying. I don't see pictures of giraffes as being overly disruptive to the encyclopedia. You blocked user access to the Talk page for him adding pictures of giraffes? What actions would you accept as valid steps in "addressing the sockpuppetry"? Are you suggesting that sockpuppety is continuing? Thanks. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 09:59, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
::::::Not for adding pictures, for claiming that these pictures were sufficient grounds to lift the block. I'm sorry, if you don't see a problem here, we fundamentally aren't going to agree. The user is free to make an unblock request, I've explained how. They haven't even attempted to address the sockpuppetry, but are required to do so if they want the block lifted. I'm done, I have nothing more to say about this user. --[[User:Yamla|Yamla]] ([[User talk:Yamla|talk]]) 11:24, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::::I was not necessarily seeking agreement or disagreement. I was seeking clarification. I'm sorry that you did not answer my question about sockpuppetry. Maybe you and [[User:Huon|Huon]] think that removal, by Hillbilly, of some of the frivolous material here would help his case. But of course, he won't be able to do that now. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 12:16, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
::::::::Hillbillyholiday had plenty of chances to not be frivolous about getting unblocked. Removing the trolling after the fact wouldn't help their case; not having trolled in the first place would have helped. I don't know whether block evasion was still ongoing recently, but not even addressing the open announcement of their intent to evade the block (that they promptly carried out) is ... not promising. Have they learned something, do they intend to change their conduct going forward? Did we happen to block their latest IP a few days ago? Or were they just having fun wasting others' time? I can't tell, ''they didn't tell'', but the evidence points to the last of these options. [[User:Huon|Huon]] ([[User talk:Huon|talk]]) 15:45, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::::::I'm really unsure why an image of a giraffe, or at least of a Mardi Gras giraffe costume, was added. I suppose it's seen as "trolling" because the Talk page is meant to be used only ever for requesting an unblock, in the most serious way possible. I guess when one gets blocked, all of one's humour credits immediately get cashed in, yes? Perhaps it was a deliberate ploy to "waste your time". I don't know. And now Hillbilly can't clarify either way. One other editor acted AGF. But I'm now a bit confused. You say {{tq|I don't know whether block evasion was still ongoing recently}} and then also {{tq|Did we happen to block their latest IP a few days ago?}} These seem to be somewhat contradictory. If you did block that IP, on the basis it was a possible sock, shouldn't that be added to their "Possible sockpuppets" list? You seem to be party to information that the rest of us are not. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 16:16, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
{{od}} {{u|Martinevans123}}, maybe you can point out which of Hillbillyholiday's edits since the block indicate, in your opinion, that they were willing to take responsibility for their own conduct, were actually interested in getting unblocked, and showed how they would avoid, going forward, the problems that led to their block in the first place? Regarding the possible sockpuppetry or lack thereof: An IP address would only be added to the "possible sockpuppet" list if it was recognized to be them (''and'' if the admin blocking it felt that updating the SPI was worth the effort). As I said, I have no idea whether or not something like that happened. Finally, "now Hillbilly can't clarify either way" - of course they can. Yamla told them how. Yamla told ''you'' how, separately. Was that in any way unclear? [[User:Huon|Huon]] ([[User talk:Huon|talk]]) 19:53, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
:[[User:Huon|Huon]], if you "have no idea whether or not something like that happened", I'm not sure why you mentioned it. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:04, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
::[[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]], I metioned it in a list of possibilities, some of which would be conducive to Hillbillyholiday getting unblocked and some of which wouldn't. As I said back then, "I can't tell [whether one or another of those options applies], ''they didn't tell'', but the evidence points to the last of these options [the trolling]." I hope that answers your question. Could you now please answer mine? [[User:Huon|Huon]] ([[User talk:Huon|talk]]) 20:28, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
:::[[WP:UTRS]] seems a perfectly clear link. But I see now... ''they didn't tell'' makes them a potential suspect of all sorts of unforgivable misdemeanors, on a list of possibilities as long as you'd care to invent? So much for the [[Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution|"glorious fifth"]], as I think it's sometimes referred to. Could we perhaps throw in off-wiki death threats, potential litigation and impersonation of Jimmy Wales at ArbCom in the [[WP:FRAM]] case, while we're at it? I'm guessing they're also not conducive to getting one unblocked. Thanks. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:04, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
::::[[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]], I'm not clear on what it is you're trying to accomplish here by repeatedly asking the reviewing admins the same questions. Do you think the above block appeals were sincere requests based on [[WP:GAB]]? [[User:AlexEng|<span style="color:#00C5CD">'''Alex'''</span><span style="color:#9CBA7F">'''Eng'''</span>]]<sup><small style="font-size:80%;">([[User_talk:AlexEng|<span style="color:#FF83FA">TALK</span>]])</small></sup> 21:39, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::I was trying to establish what was the basis, and at what step in this chronology, talk page access had been revoked. Sorry if that wasn't clear. I thought my initial question might have helped with that. But I've been advised to give up, as it's unlikely either to help Hillbillyholiday's cause (somewhat opaque though that might be) or to elucidate the logical basis on which Admin actions have been taken here. So I shall. It just looked to me like a case of [[Good cop/bad cop|"bad cop/bad cop"]]. Sorry if you have been unduly distracted. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:47, 24 July 2019 (UTC) p.s. a straight answer would have been useful.
::::::There are at least three distinct unblock requests on this page that required an admin to answer them. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]], I don't think you ever commented on which of Hillbillyholiday's edits since the block indicate, in your opinion, that they were willing to take responsibility for their own conduct, were actually interested in getting unblocked, and showed how they would avoid, going forward, the problems that led to their block in the first place. Since you have been asked about that multiple times without providing an answer, I'm going to assume that you don't actually see any unblock request that met those rather basic criteria. Personally I'd have given Hillbillyholiday one more attempt, but I'm ''very'' patient with trolls, and removing talk page access after having Hillbillyholiday waste admin time thrice seems reasonable enough to me. Also, if you cannot see how it's relevant whether someone who publicly announced they'd evade the block and proceeded to do just that was ''still'' evading the block recently or not, and that addressing the block evasion in their unblock request was pretty much a prerequisite to getting unblocked, I'm not sure I have anything else to say that would help. [[User:Huon|Huon]] ([[User talk:Huon|talk]]) 19:26, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::::I saw this: {{tq|Yamla, the block is no longer necessary because I understand what i have been blocked for, I will not continue to cause damage or disruption, and will make useful contributions instead.}} as both reasonable and genuine. It was dismissed as "paroting". I'm sorry that you did not offer this detailed explanation to Hillbillyholiday before you removed his Talk page access. Perhaps you are patient. Perhaps I missed the pauses. Yesterday you said "I'm done, I have nothing more to say about this user." [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:35, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 
There's a thread about the cabal of the outcast on my talk. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:58, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
{{od}} Ya know, I'am starting to feel bad for this user, unless I'm wrong, even though their TPA has been revoked, I think their still getting notified of each post. You guys need to stop. 19:44, 25 July 2019 (UTC) - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">[[User:FlightTime|<span style="color:#800000">'''FlightTime'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:FlightTime|<span style="color:#FFD700">'''open channel'''</span>]])</small></span> 19:45, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
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