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==Note==
'''Wikipedia Editors need to know there is NO copyright infringement in this article.
However, there is a person deliberately posting information wrongly and in a negative light.
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Please let us know how to properly Report EDITOR ZENG8R, he is DELIBERATELY Not Reporting correct FACTS AND TRUTHFUL INFORMATION AND NOT ALLOWING THE FULL INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE ARTICLE TO BE POSTED? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.110.8.73|69.110.8.73]] ([[User talk:69.110.8.73|talk]]) 16:41, 13 March 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
These posted items have been checked for accuracy and there is no copyright violation, please do not alter these facts. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.110.34.109|69.110.34.109]] ([[User talk:69.110.34.109|talk]]) 16:05, 7 March 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
much of the original article has been removed due to a copyright violation. That material was copied from [http://www.blitzmagonline.com/prep-football.cfm/Post/129/ here]. Please [[WP:COPYVIO]] for more information.--[[User:Rtphokie|Rtphokie]] ([[User talk:Rtphokie|talk]]) 02:58, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
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::Regardless of content, copied material is likely a copyright violation and cannot be included in this article. This material has been removed once again. Please understand, this is not being done because of it's content but because it was copied from elsewhere. Everyone is encouraged to edit these articles and ensure a neutral point of view, but write it yourself and [[WP:CITE|cite]] it properly.--[[User:Rtphokie|Rtphokie]] ([[User talk:Rtphokie|talk]]) 18:47, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
There is NO cutting and pasting from web, just facts. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.110.34.109|69.110.34.109]] ([[User talk:69.110.34.109|talk]]) 19:37, 5 March 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
THERE IS NO COPYING FROM ELSEWHERE BEING DONE, JUST FACTS. STOP CHANGING IT THANK YOU <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.110.34.109|69.110.34.109]] ([[User talk:69.110.34.109|talk]]) 19:41, 5 March 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:The article mentioned above ([http://www.blitzmagonline.com/prep-football.cfm/Post/129/ http://www.blitzmagonline.com/prep-football.cfm/Post/129/]) is word for word identical in many places to the version of this article that you keep pasting in. The main differences are the removal of sentences which state that the A-11 is not feasable in the NCAA and the NFL under current rules. Instead, you've replaced those statements with assertions that the offense can be used right now. This is not supported by the sources in the text; for example, the statements about legality attributed to Jeff Fisher are in direct conflict with the actual text of the cited article.
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Some of the info in that oft-pasted text is ok, and I'll add it later today in reworded form if no one else does so first. But PLEASE stop copying and pasting that whole big spiel and accusing others of deliberately doing anything sinister. That's a poor way to get your point across. Thanks... [[User:Zeng8r|Zeng8r]] ([[User talk:Zeng8r|talk]]) 19:47, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
:read the article in ESPN and then extrapolate it out to the possibilities in NFL.
::PLEASE stop deleting other users' comments!!!! Add replies at the bottom of the talk page! And you can't "extrapolate" anything - like I said, [[wp:original research|original research]] is NOT allowed in wikipedia articles. This is especially true when your "extrapolation" seems to be at odds with a reasonable interpretation of the source. [[User:Zeng8r|Zeng8r]] ([[User talk:Zeng8r|talk]]) 21:37, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Zeng8r: Your deliberately talking about wanting to sell dvd's is disgusting on your part, and worse yet, you have appointed yourself as some type of football guru who deliberately witholds facts from these public articles. Please put the entire article up as listed, it is fact, and it is referenced.
:::Myself and several other users have politely and repeatedly explained the serious problems with your proposed text as written. Continuously deleting other people's comments on talk pages, accusing them of "disgusting" behavior for pointing out basic wikipedia policy, and refusing to engage in constructive collaboration is no way to make friends and/or influence wikieditors, imo, especially when you've already been blocked for similar behavior. [[User:Zeng8r|Zeng8r]] ([[User talk:Zeng8r|talk]]) 19:16, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
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Please let us know how to properly Report EDITOR ZENG8R, he is DELIBERATELY Not Reporting correct FACTS AND TRUTHFUL INFORMATION AND NOT ALLOWING THE FULL INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE ARTICLE TO BE POSTED? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.110.8.73|69.110.8.73]] ([[User talk:69.110.8.73|talk]]) 16:42, 13 March 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::Wow. Over a million registered editors can add relevent, cited, encyclopedic info to this article. You've repeatedly chosen to ignore wikipedia policy and then shoot the proverbial messenger when this was repeatedly pointed out to you. This is why you've been blocked (twice) and why this article is semi-protected.
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:::'''Done.''' [[User:JMyrleFuller|J. Myrle Fuller]] ([[User talk:JMyrleFuller|talk]]) 03:01, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Yeah, thanks. The text made it seem like the "Emory & Henry" and the A-11 formations are identical so I clarified a little. To wit; the E&H spreads out the conventional 5 o-linemen while the A-11 replaces them with other players. That's while the scrimmage kick exemption is necessary to make the A-11 legal while the E&H is still usable at any level, as far as I know. [[User:Zeng8r|Zeng8r]] ([[User talk:Zeng8r|talk]]) 14:02, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
'''Whoever did the restoration of the Article did a very good job, thank you. Now this baloney talk page can be cleared and there is no debate or apparent conflict of interest. Well done!''' <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.110.8.73|69.110.8.73]] ([[User talk:69.110.8.73|talk]]) 16:26, 14 March 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Since you have been deleting things from the Talk page, you are already on our list of bad characters. If you change your approach and start behaving well, we might start to take you seriously and try to answer your questions carefully. It would help if you start signing your comments, like a real person. See {{tl|uw-tilde}}. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 18:14, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
Some members of our team did the article writing and are following it in our journalism class too, along with other stories on this offense. Thank you. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.110.8.73|69.110.8.73]] ([[User talk:69.110.8.73|talk]]) 22:23, 14 March 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::Do you (or is it "y'all"?) see the big difference between the tone of the current version and that of the repeatedly proposed version? One just describes while the other seems to promote. [[User:Zeng8r|Zeng8r]] ([[User talk:Zeng8r|talk]]) 14:02, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Our group is not totally pleased with your deliberate attempt at "hiding" the fact that there is a petition drive going on at a national level by teams in many states and California to keep the offense going for teams like ours, and other teams like ours. It would have been more honest of you Zeng8r to have listed that point, because there is a long way to go, and to purposefully delete that fact is not acknowledging the truth. But, since you are determined to do so, we have no choice but to succumb to your editorial power at this time. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.110.34.116|69.110.34.116]] ([[User talk:69.110.34.116|talk]]) 19:11, 15 March 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:If you have reliable, third-party sources for this petition, please post them and that info can be added to this article.--[[User:2008Olympian|<span style="color:blue;">2008</span><span style="color:#DD9922;">Olym</span><span style="color:black;">pian</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:2008Olympian|<span style="color:green;">chit</span><span style="color:#BB0000;">chat</span>]]</sup> 23:11, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::This user/users has/have ignored many helpful wikilinks and suggestions over the past few weeks, which is why he/they have been blocked twice. A request for sources was already made long ago and may still be on this talkpage somewhere if he/they didn't delete it during one of his/their many page wipes. That info would be just fine if cited and written in a non-promotional tone.
::To the members of "group" (who, oddly enough, have only edited this single article out of the millions on this site): again, if you'd like to become helpful and constructive members of this community, please read over the [[Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/Welcome to Wikipedia|Welcome to Wikipedia]] page, which explains the purpose and guidelines of wikipedia all in one place. [[User:Zeng8r|Zeng8r]] ([[User talk:Zeng8r|talk]]) 23:24, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Here is the 3rd Party article that also tells about Petition Drive and lists them both.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=weinreb/090302 <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.110.37.7|69.110.37.7]] ([[User talk:69.110.37.7|talk]]) 18:35, 16 March 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::Good link; the info has been added. [[User:Zeng8r|Zeng8r]] ([[User talk:Zeng8r|talk]]) 19:29, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
* PIEDMONT high school has Petioned the CIF to study the offense for any team in the state wanting to use it for three seasons, not the creators of the offense doing the petitioning. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.110.37.7|69.110.37.7]] ([[User talk:69.110.37.7|talk]]) 17:03, 18 March 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
From the link you provided:
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In the meantime, '''Bryan and Humphries''' are not mandating that other schools adopt their methods; all they are asking for is the freedom to continue to develop their experiment in peace. They recently petitioned the CIF...
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They are the creators of the A-11, and that's who the article says is petitioning the CIF. You have to go by the sources. [[User:Zeng8r|Zeng8r]] ([[User talk:Zeng8r|talk]]) 19:07, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Zeng8r, please read the petition at www.A11Offense.com it is signed by the Piedmont High Principal <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.110.37.7|69.110.37.7]] ([[User talk:69.110.37.7|talk]]) 21:49, 18 March 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
'''Legality at various levels''' (This is how your edited post should read regarding high schools using the offense)
'''High School'''
As mentioned, the A-11 offense was designed by a high school coach who used a "loophole" in the rules concerning allowable formations to design an every-down offense. As other schools in the States of, CA, OR, WA, FL, AZ, IL, AL, AR, VA, etc, began using the A-11, others called the system "an unsporting act" and "outside of the spirit of the rule code."[6] Consequently, high school associations in North Carolina, West Virginia, Louisiana, and the District of Columbia banned the use of the A-11 for the 2008 season.[7]
In February 2009, the National Federation of State High School Associations rules committee voted 46-2 to close the loophole allowing the linemen-free formations featured in the A-11. The system's creators have petitioned the California Interscholastic Federation to allow use of the offense over the next three seasons on a experimental basis. No decision has yet been made.[6] <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.110.8.207|69.110.8.207]] ([[User talk:69.110.8.207|talk]]) 23:19, 29 March 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
== Canadian football ==
:the A-11 offense (which would be more appropriately be known as an "A-12") would be practically useless. This is because it is custom in that variant of the sport for wide receivers to move toward the line of scrimmage to gain momentum, making it obvious to point out which receivers are eligible and which ones aren't (the ones standing on the line of scrimmage would clearly be ineligible, spoiling the element of surprise).
This had been tagged for nine months. If someone can find sources that back this assertion, please reinsert the content. [[User:Hbdragon88|hbdragon88]] ([[User talk:Hbdragon88|talk]]) 23:59, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
== How do you tell which are eligible receivers? ==
The article says "The A-11 still must abide by rules which cap the number of eligible receivers at five (maximum six if the quarterback hands the ball off or laterals to an ineligible receiver who then passes the ball). However, it is unclear which players will be eligible until just before the snap, ... "
For those of us who do not know football well, how is it determined which 5 are eligible receivers? [[Special:Contributions/199.86.18.156|199.86.18.156]] ([[User talk:199.86.18.156|talk]]) 05:13, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:It's mentioned obliquely in the article that the five (interior) linemen are ineligible. All backs (including the quarterback) and the two players on the ends of the line of scrimmage are eligible. I'm not sure if it's worth spelling out who's eligible a little more. —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 05:51, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:: Yes, please do. I still don't get it. [[User:PSzalapski|Locarno]] ([[User talk:PSzalapski|talk]]) 15:32, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
The concept is difficult to explain to non-football fans without getting into some deep jargon, but I tried to clarify that section a bit more. Feel free to streamline it some more. --[[User:Zeng8r|Zeng8r]] ([[User talk:Zeng8r|talk]]) 23:54, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
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== NFL - contradictory statements ==
The article states that the NFL "imposed an additional rule to discourage teams from placing players with eligible numbers at an ineligible position (Bill Belichick had used such a strategy during select games in the 2014 season); as of the 2015 season, players with eligible numbers must line up in a position that makes it obvious that they are ineligible." So the NFL rule is to ''discourage'' placing players with eligible numbers at ineligible positions. Therefore, as of 2015, the rule states that players with eligible numbers ''must line up'' in an ineligible position. This is obviously contradictory. [[User:Jeff in CA|Jeff in CA]] ([[User talk:Jeff in CA|talk]]) 20:52, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
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