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:{{Reply to|Leijurv}} I am? I thought I was on my last revert. Was a different IP also, so I guess I messed up on the edit summary too. I do think that particular edit could be construed as vandalism though - user claimed to remove the material because it was "unsourced." It was emphatically not. Glad {{U|McSly}} got the page semi-protected.
:Taking a break from the talk page. I lost my temper when I saw that things were once again disrupted immediately after your excellent comment. I feel like we've been at a standstill because the RfC process has been continually interrupted every time a discussion's gotten going. – [[User:Jadebenn|Jadebenn]] <small>([[User talk:Jadebenn|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:Contributions/Jadebenn|contribs]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PrefixIndex/User:Jadebenn|subpages]])</small> 03:40, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
::By my count you reverted 4 times from 16:52 UTC July 13 to 19:43 UTC July 13. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
::Very reasonable to take a break. That comment was almost-not-quite fun, but certainly very time consuming to write.
::I actually found this from randomly reading [[WP:ANI]]. The sheer number of deleted revisions in the history of the talk page was horrifying. Pieced some of it together though. Turns out (redacted). Neat; small world. It's quite jarring to scroll through the talk page and see the exact same stuff across many months in time. Hope I was able to add something new. [[User:Leijurv|Leijurv]] ([[User talk:Leijurv|talk]]) 03:48, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
:::{{Re|Leijurv}} You should probably redact that, but thanks. Frustrating to see (what I consider) repeated blatant disregard of Wikipedia policy and consensus-building just because of a user's personal grudge against me. I probably should just refrain from further participation until the Arbcom investigation finishes. Probably is in my best interest, too. Would rather not get slapped down for incivility or an (unintentional) 3RR vio. Hopefully I didn't just shoot myself in the foot. – [[User:Jadebenn|Jadebenn]] <small>([[User talk:Jadebenn|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:Contributions/Jadebenn|contribs]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PrefixIndex/User:Jadebenn|subpages]])</small> 03:56, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
Maybe I should have let sleeping dogs lie. Sorry. [[User:Leijurv|Leijurv]] ([[User talk:Leijurv|talk]]) 05:27, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
:{{Re|Leijurv}} Not your fault, don't blame yourself. I've had to deal with this kind of behavior for a while now. – [[User:Jadebenn|Jadebenn]] <small>([[User talk:Jadebenn|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:Contributions/Jadebenn|contribs]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PrefixIndex/User:Jadebenn|subpages]])</small> 05:31, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
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== [[:Template:Infobox rocket|Infobox rocket]] and <tt>cpl-year</tt> ==
Hi Jadebenn! I've just been speaking to a user on the IRC help chat about [[Delta IV Heavy]]'s infobox, which states the "Cost per year" is "2018". This is clearly incorrect, as 2018 is not the cost per year, but the cost per launch in a specific year. The template documentation also states that the <tt>cpl-year</tt> parameter is <tt><nowiki><!--year of stated cost per launch--></nowiki></tt>, which appears to match the usage of this parameter.{{pb}}The change affecting this appears to stem back to [[Special:Diff/929347046|this edit you made in 2019]] to the infobox template, splitting that parameter out into a new line. My instinct with this is to undo your change to put the year of the cost-per-launch data back onto the same line as the cost-per-launch, but I'm a) not sure what your intention of splitting this out was, and b) less comfortable with editing templates than I used to be. Would you mind taking another look at this? Thanks! <span style="font-family: Verdana;">[[User:Stwalkerster|stwalkerster]]</span> ([[User talk:Stwalkerster|talk]]) 21:20, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Are there any other pages that use that parameter, and in which context do they use it? I thought it was unused at the time I made the edit, and repurposed it for an edit to [[Space Launch System]]. I don't know if it's proliferated since then, or if that remains the only use. Depending on the answer, it might be worthwhile to split out a new variable for the new or old usage. – [[User:Jadebenn|Jadebenn]] <small>([[User talk:Jadebenn|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:Contributions/Jadebenn|contribs]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PrefixIndex/User:Jadebenn|subpages]])</small> 22:19, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
:I decided to get some actual data before responding here, so I went through [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Infobox_rocket&limit=500&hideredirs=1&hidelinks=1 all 351] transclusions of this template:
:* 277 don't use the cpl or cpl-year parameters at all.
:* 46 only use cpl to show a value
:* 15 use cpl to show both a value and a year ([[Space Shuttle]], [[Delta II]], [[Angara (rocket family)]], [[Atlas V]], [[Falcon 9]], [[Long March 4B]], [[Juno II]], [[Saturn V]], [[Delta 4000]], [[Delta 5000]], [[Falcon Heavy]], [[Falcon 9 v1.1]], [[Titan IIIM]], [[Falcon 9 Full Thrust]], and [[User:Chessrat/Interplanetary Transport System (2016 proposal)]])
:* 9 use cpl to show a value, and cpl-year to show a year ([[HGM-25A Titan I]], [[Titan IV]], [[SSBS S1]], [[Saturn C-4]], [[Saturn C-3]], [[Delta IV Heavy]], [[Ariane 6]], [[Falcon 9 v1.0]], and [[List of Delta IV Heavy launches]])
:* 2 don't use cpl, but do have a year in cpl-year. ([[Troposphere (rocket family)]] and [[ILR-33 AMBER]])
:* 2 use cpl and cpl-year to show a value ([[Space Launch System]] and [[User:SandowTheHeretic/sandbox]])
:I think your suggestion to split this out into a new parameter is a good idea, and for the sake of least-invasive changes to other articles, I suggest we put cpl-year back to it's original use, and introduce a new parameter for cost-per-year? Does that sound good to you? <span style="font-family: Verdana;">[[User:Stwalkerster|stwalkerster]]</span> ([[User talk:Stwalkerster|talk]]) 19:48, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Sounds good! – [[User:Jadebenn|Jadebenn]] <small>([[User talk:Jadebenn|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:Contributions/Jadebenn|contribs]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PrefixIndex/User:Jadebenn|subpages]])</small> 19:58, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
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== Please don't undo consensus changes ==
This was a revert of consensus. I won't revert it again but I'd request you undo this revert. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=SpaceX_Starship&oldid=prev&diff=1215000207 [[User:Ergzay|Ergzay]] ([[User talk:Ergzay|talk]]) 10:01, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
: There was no "consensus." It was an active dispute that is still ongoing. I will not remove the notice of dispute. – [[User:Jadebenn|Jadebenn]] <small>([[User talk:Jadebenn|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:Contributions/Jadebenn|contribs]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PrefixIndex/User:Jadebenn|subpages]])</small> 13:13, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
::There was consensus, going back weeks. I'd say it even qualified for [[WP:SNOW]] at that point. [[User:Ergzay|Ergzay]] ([[User talk:Ergzay|talk]]) 15:17, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
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