Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive604: Difference between revisions

:::::There's no gain in abusing the rank-and-file editors. Abusing admins can get their bits revoked. —<fontspan colorstyle="color:#228B22">''[[User:Jéské Couriano|Jeremy]]''</fontspan> <fontspan colorstyle="color:#00008B">^{([[User talk:Jéské Couriano|v^_^v]] [[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|Dittobori]])}</fontspan> 22:28, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

:Watch, use the same policy as we do for the mainpage. -- <fontspan colorstyle="color:green">&#47;[[User:MWOAP|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green">MWOAP</fontspan>]]&#124;</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:blue">[[User_Talk:MWOAP|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue">Notify Me</fontspan>]]&#92;</fontspan> 20:08, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

{{resolved|Nothing more we can do at this point. [[w:User:Ks0stm|<fontb colorstyle="color:#009900;" ><b>Ks0stm</b></font>]] ^{([[User talk:Ks0stm|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Ks0stm|C]]•[[User:Ks0stm/Guestbook|G]])} 16:26, 20 March 2010 (UTC)}}

:If it is on multiple wikis, try [[m:Main page|Meta wiki]]. [[w:User:Ks0stm|<fontb colorstyle="color:#009900;" ><b>Ks0stm</b></font>]] ^{([[User talk:Ks0stm|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Ks0stm|C]]•[[User:Ks0stm/Guestbook|G]])} 14:54, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Could i get some extra eyes on this article? I believe that edits such as [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Massacres_during_the_Greek_Revolution&action=historysubmit&diff=351062242&oldid=351060454 this one] are non complaint to [[WP:NPOV]] and [[WP:BIAS]]. I would add it to the NPOV or content noticeboard but during the weekend it tends to be quite understaffed. [[User:Excirial|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#191970;">'''Excirial''']]</fontspan>]]^{([[User talk:Excirial|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF8C00;">Contact me</fontspan>]],[[Special:Contributions/Excirial|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF8C00;">Contribs</fontspan>]])} 23:20, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

:I have warned the user. The next time [[User:Luph25]] uploads a file missing copyright status, report them to [[WP:AIV]]. -<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:Fastily|<span style='font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color:#4B0082';"><big>F</big><small>ASTILY_sock</small></span>]]'''^{<small>[[User talk:Fastily|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#4B0082;">(T<small>ALK</small>)</fontspan>]]</small>}</span> 01:50, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

See [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rachel_David&diff=prev&oldid=351188680 this] edit. I am not certain if this is true or not, but i left a basic a basic [[WP:BLP|BLP]] explanation on the IP's talk page explaining the situation (Courtesy of [[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]], who left a nice example text for another editor.) [[User:Excirial|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#191970;">'''Excirial''']]</fontspan>]]^{([[User talk:Excirial|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF8C00;">Contact me</fontspan>]],[[Special:Contributions/Excirial|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF8C00;">Contribs</fontspan>]])} 17:25, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

:I don't see where they have added the link since their last warning. I agree, if they add it ''again'', then a block may be in order. Lets see if they respond to the last warning and to this discussion if. I would support a block '''if''' they continue from this moment forward. But lets see where this goes... --[[User:Jayron32|<fontspan style="color:#000099;">Jayron</fontspan>]]'''''[[User talk:Jayron32|<fontspan style="color:#009900;">32</fontspan>]]''''' 04:51, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

::As long as he is using the pictures of his junk constructively, then we shouldn't try to dissuade him. If penises disturb you, just apply brainbleach as needed and move on. <b>[[User:Caknuck|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF6600;">caknuck</span>]] [[User talk:Caknuck|caknuck]]</font> _{<font colorstyle="color:black;">[[User talk:Caknuck|°]]</font>}]] <fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF6600;">needs to be running more often</fontspan></b> 19:34, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

{{resolved|1=Unapproved bot blocked, articles deleted. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 18:20, 22 March 2010}}

:Good block -- unauthorized bots are not allowed. The article subjects are very different from [[User:ChinaRailwayENGED]], but that's after a somewhat cursory glance. Not enough for me to say WP:DUCK. -- [[User:Flyguy649|Flyguy649]] [[User talk:Flyguy649|^talk]]]] 06:02, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

*Fully Endorse block. Looks like the block worked, it got his attention and he finally piped up, explaining in his unblock request: "want to fill red links and let number of articles goes up". Sounds to me like all this user cares about is watching the article count rise with absolutely no regard to quality, as if he's trying to get a high score in some video game. This is not improving the encyclopedia. -- [[User:OlEnglish|<fontspan sizestyle="5font-size:x-large;">&oelig;</fontspan>]][[User talk:OlEnglish|^&trade;]] 11:28, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

William has been warned now. Should he revert it again (and I mean whenever that should happen, not just in the next 24 hours), I'll block him. If there truly is consensus for his edit, then someone else will no doubt make it so he doesn't have to. '''[[User:Ryan Postlethwaite|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Ryan</fontspan> <fontspan colorstyle="color:purple;">Postlethwaite</fontspan>]]^{See [[Special:Contributions/Ryan Postlethwaite|the mess I've created]] or [[User talk:Ryan Postlethwaite|let's have banter]]}''' 22:34, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

:''The following discussion is archived. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.'' {{#if:Enough. This clearly is going nowhere, other than blowing more hot air. -<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:Fastily|<span style='font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color:#4B0082';"><big>F</big><small>ASTILY_sock</small></span>]]'''^{<small>[[User talk:Fastily|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#4B0082;">(T<small>ALK</small>)</fontspan>]]</small>}</span> 22:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)|''A summary of the conclusions reached follows.''

::Enough. This clearly is going nowhere, other than blowing more hot air. -<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:Fastily|<span style='font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color:#4B0082';"><big>F</big><small>ASTILY_sock</small></span>]]'''^{<small>[[User talk:Fastily|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#4B0082;">(T<small>ALK</small>)</fontspan>]]</small>}</span> 22:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

::Start using the "show preview" button. I'm inclined to believe you are legitimately making mistakes, but you are making ''way too many''. Perhaps Dusti may have been a little overzealous with the warning templates, but bear in mind that ''you'', and you '''only''' are responsible for ''any'' of the edits you make from your account. It's fine if you're new to the project; we have many new users who join everyday. However, repeated mistakes and total disregard for established policy/guidelines despite warnings is unacceptable. Repeated "mistakes"/page blanks/ect., regardless of how accidental constitutes disruptive editing, and can be a deemed a [[WP:BLOCK|blockable]] offense. At any rate, consider reading [[WP:AGF]], [[WP:EDITSUMMARY]], [[WP:MOS]], [[WP:PEACOCK]], [[WP:5]], and [[WP:NPOV]]. Hopefully, you can learn something from these pages to help better your understanding of Wikipedia and enhance your editing experience. -<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:Fastily|<span style='font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color:#4B0082';"><big>F</big><small>ASTILY_sock</small></span>]]'''^{<small>[[User talk:Fastily|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#4B0082;">(T<small>ALK</small>)</fontspan>]]</small>}</span> 22:37, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

:Generally, conflict of interest issues do not require oversight (which is reserved for removal of highly sensitive edits, like [[WP:OUTING|outings]]). Promotional accounts, however, are forbidden and suspected accts should be reported to [[WP:UAA]]. <b>[[User:Caknuck|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF6600;">caknuck</span>]] [[User talk:Caknuck|caknuck]]</font> _{<font colorstyle="color:black;">[[User talk:Caknuck|°]]</font>}]] <fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF6600;">needs to be running more often</fontspan></b> 06:42, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

:I've declined the speedy deletion requests; [[WP:CSD#A10|criterion A10]] is not intended to impede reasonable article splits. I would suggest it may be a better move in future to create the articles one at a time with more than a sentence of information rather than creating multiple mini-stubs and expanding them later - but that doesn't excuse the over-enthusiastic tagging here. ~ [[User:Mazca|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#228b22;">[[User:Mazca|'''m'''a'''z'''c'''a''']]</fontspan>]] ^{[[User_talk:Mazca|talk]]} 15:06, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

:Note I'm involved and not touching the template further for now - other editors can chime in on the template talk page or my talk page. --[[User:NeilN|'''<fontspan colorstyle="color:#003F87;">Neil<fontspan colorstyle="color:#CD0000;">N</fontspan></fontspan>''']] ^{<font facestyle="font-family:Calibri;">''[[User talk:NeilN|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#003F87;">talk to me</fontspan>]]''</font>} 23:42, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

:If you want regular editors helping out, I find the [[WP:CNB|Content noticeboard]] a good place for asking for more eyes. --[[User:NeilN|'''<fontspan colorstyle="color:#003F87;">Neil<fontspan colorstyle="color:#CD0000;">N</fontspan></fontspan>''']] ^{<font facestyle="font-family:Calibri;">''[[User talk:NeilN|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#003F87;">talk to me</fontspan>]]''</font>} 05:14, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

I've watchlisted all of them. [[User:Ged UK|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Ged</fontspan>]][[User talk:Ged UK|<fontspan colorstyle="color:orange;">'''''UK'''''</fontspan>&nbsp;]] 14:06, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

:Watchlisted. <small> Chicken soaking in the water of life?!? </small> -- [[User:Flyguy649|Flyguy649]] [[User talk:Flyguy649|^talk]]]] 17:58, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

:I wikilinked prophet to [[Prophet, seer, and revelator]] which should hopefully clear up any ambiguity concerning the use of the word in this context. [[User:Shereth|<b><font colorstyle="color:#0000FF;">Sher</font></b>]][[User_talk:Shereth|<b><font colorstyle="color:#6060BF;">[[User_talk:Shereth|eth]]</font></b>]] 18:27, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

:::WHL, the editor is not "quoting" foreign language sources, which would need a translation; he is only citing them, which is acceptable. <fontspan facestyle="font-family:Lucida Calligraphy;">[[User:LadyofShalott|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#ee3399;">Lady</fontspan>]]<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0095c6;">of</fontspan>[[User_Talk:LadyofShalott|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#442288;">Shalott</fontspan>]]</fontspan> 20:33, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

For those who have been following this long drama (including both user's name changes), you will know that any interactions between these two are rather - poisonous. I have long recommended an interaction ban between these two. SRQ was the first to accept, but I did not proceed further. In declining a recent DoS unblock, I reiterated the suggestion. DoS has also now accepted, as per [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABwilkins&action=historysubmit&diff=350932752&oldid=350812084 my talkpage]. It appears that all that is left is to set out terms and conditions. I'm about to be a little difficult to get ahold of, so I would ask the community to use their wisdom to hash this out. I am about to advise both users about this proposal. ([[User talk:Bwilkins|<fontspan style="font-variant:small-caps;">talk→</fontspan>]]<span style="border:1px solid black;">'''&nbsp;[[User:Bwilkins|BWilkins]]&nbsp;'''</span>[[Special:Contributions/Bwilkins|<fontspan style="font-variant:small-caps;">←track</fontspan>]]) 10:24, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

::::If a member is causing this much trouble to warrant two interaction bans, why not just ban the user. Obviously they are causing more disruption to the project than anything. I'm sure people don't want to have to keep babysitting adults that don't know how to positively interact with each other. What does it take to get banned here? —'''<span style="solid;background: #5D8AA8; font-family: Century Gothic;">[[User:MikeAllen|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#3FFF00;">Mike</fontspan>]] [[User talk:MikeAllen|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#3FFF00;">Allen</fontspan>]]</span>''' 23:43, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

*'''Strong Support''': Per above. I just recently came into this, and have been flabbergasted to see how long this has been going on. SRQ has been blocked, and then gets unblocked after having a pity party making an admin feel sorry for her. Finally an admin, SarekOfVulcan, has brought some resolution to this. I just hope we all can get back at contributing to the project without having to be sidetracked by these avoidable and disruptive disputes. Thank you, Sarek. I also hope other admins feel the same way and support your decision. —'''<span style="solid;background: #5D8AA8; font-family: Century Gothic;">[[User:MikeAllen|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#3FFF00;">Mike</fontspan>]] [[User talk:MikeAllen|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#3FFF00;">Allen</fontspan>]]</span>''' 22:07, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

*'''Agree''': I see no reason why WHL would comment on her talk page. Also, an interaction ban is pointless, now, since there can't be any further interactions on articles while SRQ is banned. —'''<span style="solid;background: #5D8AA8; font-family: Century Gothic;">[[User:MikeAllen|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#3FFF00;">Mike</fontspan>]] [[User talk:MikeAllen|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#3FFF00;">Allen</fontspan>]]</span>''' 00:56, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

::'''Endorse block''' - I cautioned this editor about this exact type of activity when he was using the account {{user|Ernie A. Smith Ph.D.}}. Dr. Smith has a reputation of activism and pushing his viewpoints on Ebonics, which largely are not accepted by mainstream linguists. I gently tried explaining that neither are acceptable here, but it looks like I have been ignored. <b>[[User:Caknuck|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF6600;">caknuck</span>]] [[User talk:Caknuck|caknuck]]</font> _{<font colorstyle="color:black;">[[User talk:Caknuck|°]]</font>}]] <fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF6600;">needs to be running more often</fontspan></b> 03:56, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Factsontheground&diff=prev&oldid=350723237 reverted my edits from the other user talk page] in the violation of [[WP:TPO]]]

:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Factsontheground&diff=prev&oldid=350721444 reverted my edits from the other user talk page] in the violation of [[WP:TPO]], and in the edit summary advising me "to stay in my corner" ]

:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMbz1&action=historysubmit&diff=350723123&oldid=350599008 threatened me with the "perma-ban" in the violation of [[WP:TPNO]] in particular: * Do not threaten people: For example, threatening people with "admins you know" or having them banned for disagreeing with you]

* '''Support''' for a year - it will be better for everyone (including them) if they just start ignoring each other. [[User:Ale_jrb|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">A</fontspan><small><fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">le_Jrb</fontspan>]]</small>^{]][[User_talk:Ale_jrb|<fontsup colorstyle="color:blue;">talk</fontsup>]]} 11:46, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

{{resolved|1=Further details available [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&oldid=351561296#Keepscases_erroneously_blocked_indefinitely here]. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 13:55, 23 March 2010 (UTC)}}

:See [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Keepscases blocked indefinitely]]. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 01:44, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

: Yep. Our Keepscases appears {{unrelated}} to the Meta one, per checkuser. I've already had a lengthy discussion with the Meta CUs and we're in agreement. He's now been unblocked - [[User:Alison|<span style="color:#FF823D; font-family: comic sans ms;">'''A<fontspan colorstyle= "color:#FF7C0A;">l<fontspan colorstyle= "color:#FFB550;">is</fontspan>o</fontspan>n'''</span>]] ^{[[User_talk:Alison|❤]]} 03:37, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

I wanted to leave a note that I deleted the image linked above (NSFW of course), which was used in the [[Goatse.cx]] article. There was [[Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2009 December 11#File:Goatse.fr homepage.png|an IFD]] on the image that resulted in keep (with fairly low participation) and there is a semi-active [[Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2010-01-12/Goatse.cx|MedCab case]] about the issue as well. However, the image seems to me to be so egregiously unencyclopedic, that I deleted it despite both of those discussions. I would hope Wikipedia is a place where one could learn about such things (shock images) without actually needing to see them (there are certainly plenty of other places one can do that). While we don't [[WP:NOTCENSORED|censor]] content, that an image is offensive is not an argument to keep it either, and I don't believe that particular image is adding anything helpful to the article. [[User:Prodego|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">''Prodego''</fontspan>]] ^{[[User talk:Prodego|<fontsup colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">talk</fontsup>]]} 20:35, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

:::: ''that an image is offensive is not an argument to keep it either, and I don't believe that particular image is adding anything helpful to the article'' Aside from the fact that this is an [[WP:Opinion|opinion]], i would say the image is pretty relevant. After all, the entire concept of the goatse shock sites is displaying this exact image. What notability would these sites have achieved without showing this particular image to its unsuspecting viewers? In fact, i go as far as saying that the entire basis for any news coverage regarding this article - and thus the article itself - lies with that image. Other then this i think [[User:Sceptre|Sceptre]] states my thoughts perfectly. [[User:Excirial|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#191970;">'''Excirial''']]</fontspan>]]^{([[User talk:Excirial|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF8C00;">Contact me</fontspan>]],[[Special:Contributions/Excirial|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF8C00;">Contribs</fontspan>]])} 21:55, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

::: I know [[WP:BOLD|being bold!]] is a core policy of Wikipedia, but there are two issues here. Werther or not the image should remain is one issue, but overriding apparent community consensus while the issue is still being discussed is a completely different matter. I am not fond of processes which only slow decisions down, but in this case there is no [[WP:SNOW|snowball in a microwave]]. The mere fact that we are actually having a discussion about this should be proof of that. [[User:Excirial|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#191970;">'''Excirial''']]</fontspan>]]^{([[User talk:Excirial|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF8C00;">Contact me</fontspan>]],[[Special:Contributions/Excirial|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF8C00;">Contribs</fontspan>]])} 23:22, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Is Prodego seriously an admin? <b>[[User:RaseaC|<span style="font-family:Eras Demi ITC; color:DarkBlue;cursor:help">raseaC]]</span>]]^{[[User talk:RaseaC|talk to me]]}</b> 23:37, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

:::::Congratulating Prodego demonstrates that you do not understand the concept of being an administrator. <b>[[User:RaseaC|<span style="font-family:Eras Demi ITC; color:DarkBlue;cursor:help">raseaC]]</span>]]^{[[User talk:RaseaC|talk to me]]}</b> 00:29, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

::Seems premature - wrong venue in any case. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 00:49, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

*Desysop motions are not handled on ANI. File a [[WP:RFC/U]] or a [[WP:RFAR]] if you wish. '''[[User:NuclearWarfare|<fontb colorstyle="color:navy;">[[User:NuclearWarfare|NW]]</fontb>''']] ''(<font color="green">[[User talk:NuclearWarfare|<span style="color:green;">Talk]]</fontspan>]])'' 00:24, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

:*'''comment''' I'm not sure if I have any weight here given that I consider myself a novice editor but Prodego's actions demonstrate a user that is completely missing the fundamental point of being an administrator. The role of an admin is, in my view, to clean up after the rest of us fuck up, not create the mess in the first place. <b>[[User:RaseaC|<span style="font-family:Eras Demi ITC; color:DarkBlue;cursor:help">raseaC]]</span>]]^{[[User talk:RaseaC|talk to me]]}</b> 00:28, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

***Talk to the stewards on that one. They won't honor a desysop request unless ArbCom has passed off on it (or unless the account has gone rogue). '''[[User:NuclearWarfare|<fontb colorstyle="color:navy;">[[User:NuclearWarfare|NW]]</fontb>''']] ''(<font color="green">[[User talk:NuclearWarfare|<span style="color:green;">Talk]]</fontspan>]])'' 00:34, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

::Wikipedia does provide content. I bet almost every major painter has reproductions of their paintings in their articles. --[[User:NeilN|'''<fontspan colorstyle="color:#003F87;">Neil<fontspan colorstyle="color:#CD0000;">N</fontspan></fontspan>''']] ^{<font facestyle="font-family:Calibri;">''[[User talk:NeilN|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#003F87;">talk to me</fontspan>]]''</font>} 01:36, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

I've just had to edit through protection to remove a redlinked image from a page that has been under full protection since Feb 25. I'm not sure it's appropriate to to delete the image during an ongoing dispute. I do note there have been no edits to the MedCab page in a week. If mediation has stalled, perhaps a more focused RFC, formal mediation, or arbitration may be necessary (an [[Talk:Goatse.cx/Archive 3#RfC: Should the image be displayed?|RFC (124kb)]] already ran a few months ago). –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 01:05, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Could someone have a look at this users edits? He is changing links on a lot of article's, and seeing the amount of changes im rather suspicious as to whether these are valuable edits or not. [[User:Excirial|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#191970;">'''Excirial''']]</fontspan>]]^{([[User talk:Excirial|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF8C00;">Contact me</fontspan>]],[[Special:Contributions/Excirial|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF8C00;">Contribs</fontspan>]])} 13:09, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

:: Now you mention it, it seems i indeed forgot to do so. Thanks for taking care of that part for me :) [[User:Excirial|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#191970;">'''Excirial''']]</fontspan>]]^{([[User talk:Excirial|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF8C00;">Contact me</fontspan>]],[[Special:Contributions/Excirial|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF8C00;">Contribs</fontspan>]])} 13:44, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

:Only one comment was ever made there, by me, no one using it as a forum. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fearless_Photog] Do you put notaforum tags on every talk page you go to? I find that unlikely. Your comment here [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AWikiProject_Television&action=historysubmit&diff=351623585&oldid=351623510] should also be taken into consideration with your mindset. Seems rather rude to me. I'd like to hear the opinions of others. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>]]''']] 21:42, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

I will wait for an outside opinion (as, Beeblebrox, I already indicated I would), and will abide by it. [[User:IronDuke|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">[[User:IronDuke|IronDuke]]</fontspan>]] 22:53, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

: That's [[User:South Bay|this guy]] - [[User:Alison|<span style="color:#FF823D; font-family: comic sans ms;">'''A<fontspan colorstyle= "color:#FF7C0A;">l<fontspan colorstyle= "color:#FFB550;">is</fontspan>o</fontspan>n'''</span>]] ^{[[User_talk:Alison|❤]]} 19:02, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

*Blocked. I'm not familiar with the user's history, but after looking at the evidence, it [[WP:DUCK|quacked]] indeed. '''[[User:JamieS93|<fontspan style="color:#FF66CC;">Jamie</fontspan>]][[User talk:JamieS93|<fontspan style="color:#FF1493;">S93</fontspan>]]'''^❤ 02:21, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

See [[Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#BLP_violations_on_.27jim_bell.27]] (also have a few "love notes" on my talk page [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NeilN&diff=351209806&oldid=351084157], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ANeilN&action=historysubmit&diff=351614195&oldid=351418881]). I don't know if the IP range is narrow enough for a block - if not, I guess I'll ignore the attacks. To state the obvious, I do not engage in socking. --[[User:NeilN|'''<fontspan colorstyle="color:#003F87;">Neil<fontspan colorstyle="color:#CD0000;">N</fontspan></fontspan>''']] ^{<font facestyle="font-family:Calibri;">''[[User talk:NeilN|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#003F87;">talk to me</fontspan>]]''</font>} 20:18, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

::More: {{iplinks|97.120.242.154}} --[[User:NeilN|'''<fontspan colorstyle="color:#003F87;">Neil<fontspan colorstyle="color:#CD0000;">N</fontspan></fontspan>''']] ^{<font facestyle="font-family:Calibri;">''[[User talk:NeilN|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#003F87;">talk to me</fontspan>]]''</font>} 02:06, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

::::The sockmaster was told to contact OTRS [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:James_dalton_bell&oldid=339864836] --[[User:NeilN|'''<fontspan colorstyle="color:#003F87;">Neil<fontspan colorstyle="color:#CD0000;">N</fontspan></fontspan>''']] ^{<font facestyle="font-family:Calibri;">''[[User talk:NeilN|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#003F87;">talk to me</fontspan>]]''</font>} 02:30, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

::::{{ec}} They should email [[WP:OTRS|OTRS]] via [[Wikipedia:Contact us/Article problem]]. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 02:31, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

He's jumped to the 97.120.*.* range. --[[User:NeilN|'''<fontspan colorstyle="color:#003F87;">Neil<fontspan colorstyle="color:#CD0000;">N</fontspan></fontspan>''']] ^{<font facestyle="font-family:Calibri;">''[[User talk:NeilN|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#003F87;">talk to me</fontspan>]]''</font>} 05:17, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

There's others as well, but that is sufficient to at least suspect the account is compromised. '''[[User:Ryan Postlethwaite|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Ryan</fontspan> <fontspan colorstyle="color:purple;">Postlethwaite</fontspan>]]^{See [[Special:Contributions/Ryan Postlethwaite|the mess I've created]] or [[User talk:Ryan Postlethwaite|let's have banter]]}''' 01:12, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

::There's absolutely no need for an unblock. Even if the account isn't compromised, th recent edits suggest that he's going to be far from productive and he's caused quite a bit of disruption - he can stay blocked regardless. '''[[User:Ryan Postlethwaite|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Ryan</fontspan> <fontspan colorstyle="color:purple;">Postlethwaite</fontspan>]]^{See [[Special:Contributions/Ryan Postlethwaite|the mess I've created]] or [[User talk:Ryan Postlethwaite|let's have banter]]}''' 10:52, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

{{userlinks|Heavydata}} has been posting deliberate, manufactured lies, including false accusations of sockpuppetry and meatpuppetry to sway opinion on a [[Talk:Power Rangers: RPM#Requested_move|requested move he proposed]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Power_Rangers:_RPM&diff=350885823&oldid=350870354] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ryulong&diff=350780665&oldid=350774412] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ryulong&diff=350861526&oldid=350820690]. His welcome message to a new user was a false accusation of sockpuppetry [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:70.177.84.41&diff=prev&oldid=350780232]. In addition, he has admitted to being affiliated with a site called Rangerboard [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ryulong&diff=prev&oldid=350768262]--upon seeing that mention, I went to Rangerboard and found a recent (i.e. this month) thread consisting entirely of personal attacks against Ryulong, the primary target of Heavydata's false accusations, plus a mention of the dispute this requested move is about. So, yeah, a user who is primarily focused on smearing Ryulong is a member of an attack site against Ryulong. I can provide a link to the thread by email, as I'd rather not link an attack site on here; if you'd like to find it yourself, the title of the thread is "Wikipedia: Power Hogs". After I pointed out his misconduct on the talk page for the requested move, he has harassed me on my user page, posting the same false accusations [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jgp&diff=351749354&oldid=351748178] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jgp&diff=351750305&oldid=351749473], which I have since reverted. [[User:Jgp|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#9005E0;">jgp</fontspan>]][[User talk:Jgp|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">T</fontspan>]][[Special:Contributions/Jgp|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">C</fontspan>]] 10:56, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

* '''Comment'''. The use of the Adam Gay Video Guide itself is fine, the website linked which does state it's pulled from Wikipedia is not. Looking at the content history and cross-referencing the link above shows that the content was added to Wikipedia's article in August 2006 and the website page was created in 2007. This amounts to Wikipedia citing itself as a source which is not usually allowed, certainly not in this case. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz IMHO is quick to assume bad faith and throw the baby out with the bathwater however, this issue could have been approached more collegially and the dispute isn't with the content but the cited sourcing so deleting content because the sourcing is subpar is a step backwards and likely serves only to inflame editing. Fix the sourcing or tag it for needing a source, in this case if you are unwilling or unable to simply add the source. This is similar to citing a YouTube video of a news report when the source is the news organization and not YouTube. A link to the YouTube copy can be provided for verification, context and content, etc. but in this case a mirror site link is not acceptable. The content doesn't need to be removed just fix the sourcing. If rainbowcollexion.com also seems to be mostly or entirely mirroring content then the site itself may have to be blacklisted. [[User talk:Benjiboi| -- <u style="font-size:12px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF4400;">e</fontspan></u><u style="font-size:11px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b<font color="#AA0022">oi</font></u>]] 19:14, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

:::I have no reason to doubt the source and zero evidence has been brought forth that suggests the information is untrue or misrepresented. The issue was with a mirror site and that has been addressed, with a lot of [[WP:Drama]] which I am not interested in prolonging. [[User talk:Benjiboi| -- <u style="font-size:12px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF4400;">e</fontspan></u><u style="font-size:11px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b<font color="#AA0022">oi</font></u>]] 20:26, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

*'''Comment'''. Morbidthoughts has posted on my talk they are looking to see if they can access the online version of the underlying magazine to put the issue to rest, if not we can work out some other way to accurately represent the underlying sourcing. I consider the matter resolved for now and am happy to work with them to collegially find the best way forward. [[User talk:Benjiboi| -- <u style="font-size:12px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF4400;">e</fontspan></u><u style="font-size:11px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b<font color="#AA0022">oi</font></u>]] 21:48, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

*'''Comment'''. I'm certainly not considered uninvolved in these disputes so my comments need to be seen as such. The underlying ''stated'' problem was that a source was misrepresented. Instead of taking any civil and traditional approach an alarmist ANI thread seemingly designed to malign a content editor in gay porn is again started. Meanwhile a solution has already been presented, and no one disputes the content is accurate (just not sourced in the best way possible), but I digress. The thread goes to great pains to paint Ash in the worst possible light and also takes sweeping jabs at others who suffer this nonsenses routinely. Such gems as ''A primary reason that so much Wikipedia content, especially BLP content, in the erotica subject area is in indeplorable is the tendency of a small group of users to focus on personal criticisms of those they disagree with while avoiding the substantive editorial issues, in an effort to make the editin experience unpleasant for those they disagree with...'' and past jabs alluding to a mythical gay porn cabal complete with outing attempts and accusations. And here these two have the gall to pretend that Ash, myself, or anyone else has gone out of their way to interact with them in any way when the exact opposite is true. And assert that we have any interest in causing them [[WP:Griefing|grief]] when the reverse situation seems to be quite evident. Delicious carbuncle has been doing this, in this one subject area, for several months now and peppering alarmist and [[WP:Drama|dramatic threads]] to keep them from being archived; and forum shopping in the words of others editors on these boards, because they don't get their way in a given discussion. Their sole contributions in this area has been to game and harass editors in this area with pointless and escalated regular editing issues while doing whatever they can to delete content they apparently don't approve. This is coupled with bad faith accusations and hot-button arm-flailing - ''BLP sky-is-falling'' nonsense that is quickly dismissed for what it is. Now they play the victim card to [[blame the victim|flip the script]] that mean ol gay porn article editors are picking on them. On the surface that might look plausible but I've only seen Ash trying to use consensus and policy to find resolution and generally Delicious carbuncle simply works to delete as much as they can regardless of consensus. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz, in my limited experience is quick to assume bad faith against editors but I'm not familiar enough with their editing to note if they are tendentious about it. This certainly feels like tag-teaming and frankly if there is a dispute on sourcing go to RSN, and those editors know it. So dear fellow editors I apologize for a lengthy comment here as I feel this board actually can be used to solve problems that really do need fire and brimstone cleansing but this seems like the nth thread in the one topic area with Delicious carbuncle and unfortunately it looks like Hullaballoo Wolfowitz is somehow getting themselves in deeper as well. This all takes time away from their vandalism patrolling and other deletion work, which can be helpful, with keeping both Ash and I from actually building articles. It also serves to suck up the community energy with yet another dramafest where the actual problem may be yet another case of Delicious carbuncle wikibullying another editor who they disagree. This seems to be an ongoing pattern with them. My assessment is certainly bias and open to off-site campaigning on Wikipedia Review and elsewhere, especially by banned editors. This is my opinion and gives fuel for [[User:Ash/analysis]] which Delicious carbuncle made threats over, escalated to multiple forums and was upheld at MfD as being a logical step in dispute resolution. Delicious carbuncle doesn't seem to [[WP:Hear]] that their pattern of disruption remains a net loss for the community. Unfortunately I think that remains an ongoing regretable situation which may have to be dealt with if they can't amend their interactions with all editors, not just ones they apparently do approve. '''Also I second Ash's request that an uninvolved party hide, and likely close this thread. The sourcing issue supposedly requiring this thread was already being solved at my talkpage so this thread seems to be yet another attempt to defame them.''' [[User talk:Benjiboi| -- <u style="font-size:12px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF4400;">e</fontspan></u><u style="font-size:11px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b<font color="#AA0022">oi</font></u>]] 05:18, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

::No need to characterize my statements as false or "fantasia", they are my opinions are I believe them to be true and accurate. As for the accusation that I am in any way Wikistalking you, that seems contrary to reality and I can assure you is utterly false. I have no interest or inclination to Wikistalk anyone. Of the many editors whose edits I either felt needed to be and were asked to review yours didn't strike me as anything but rather uncivil and quick to assume bad faith. As you seemed to be doing a lot of vandalism patrol I think that goes with that territory. If you are open to advice I encourage you to be much more welcoming to newby and IPs editors, even promotional-ish ones. If we can encourage them to add good sourcing and amend their less than positive interactions and contributions that the project wins. Promotional-ish editors often are experts on the subjects they are trying to edit. If they can instead work to rise to our level of notability, MOS and standards then, again, the project benefits. Time and again on your editing I've encouraged civility and coached much of what I wrote above about better sourcing. Wikipedia is not a battleground so i have little interest in engaging as such. I'm sorry you feel I'm in any way stalking you, the likelihood is I question and restore the deletion of content on articles that our paths cross. I have apparently edited thousands of articles so that we intersect from time to time is not that peculiar. As for the sock claim it looks like it was accurate although simply a technical glitch, meanwhile you're faulting me for supporting a sock of some sort, I didn't know they were then and still don't. If they are they still had a valid point that they felt you may have been using socks and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive509#Possible_checkuser_abuse.2C_inappropriate_block_threats_by_admin_AuburnPilot this] seems to suggest they had a point. If you follow my entire history I continued to push for civility, dispute resolution and even did an overhaul of one of the articles myself so that editor could see you weren't the only one who felt that article needed clean-up. I strike to limit the drama and simply work to improve the articles. Years from now what will count is the quality of the articles not the drama that goes into their creation and maintenance. Now as for blogs as reliable sources, this is an ongoing misperception that more experienced editors have been handling on a regular basis. First off this medium is growing exponentially and replacing in part traditional news media much like the advent of radio and television, and cable channels. Some are perfectly acceptable on BLPs and elsewhere, some are not. A blog written by the subject of a BLP is certainly acceptable for statements about themselves. If in doubt a civil talkpage discussion and possible a visit to the RSN would usually clear up any issues. As for this thread, which presumably you still seem to care about, the content was never disputed by anyone, and still isn't. it was all a matter of sourcing it correctly and that's being resolved. So it would seem this has been another escalation to ANI that was unneeded but has shed some light on the background of those involved. I wish you all the best in your future endeavors regardless if our paths ever cross again. [[User talk:Benjiboi| -- <u style="font-size:12px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF4400;">e</fontspan></u><u style="font-size:11px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b<font color="#AA0022">oi</font></u>]] 09:55, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

::::Referring to my response as "skanky" and calling another editor who I really don't know nor work with as "my sock buddy", etc seems a really bad way to maturely discuss who you handled the situation.It's utterly false to suggest I encouraged them to "maintain campaigns of personal attacks". If there was ANI threads, etc were they three-ring circuses such as this? Really, I pushed for them to use better sources and improve content as that was the best response to someone who seemed to be acting tendentiously against this one set of articles. I really didn't know the subject but I did feel your editing was a bit heavy-handed when it didn't need to be. Similar to your hard line stance following the letter and avoiding the spirit our policies you strike me as seeing too much as either black/white extremist positions when human beings aren't quite as easy to push labels onto. I stand by my comments but if you never used socks then my apologies. As for the rest of your baseless accusations I respect that you actually believe them to be true for whatever reasons. They aren't but you can believe whatever you wish. [[User talk:Benjiboi| -- <u style="font-size:12px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF4400;">e</fontspan></u><u style="font-size:11px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b<font color="#AA0022">oi</font></u>]] 14:51, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

:Looking through the Pleasurdrome one the first cite should have included the next page which does have a description listed; the second ref listed above may have been used simply to note it was a gay focussed bathhouse which arguably is the one fact that would need to be sourced, also there may have been other items on the website that confirmed when opened but I found and added a council hearing note which covered the dating of the establishment, also not an terribly exceptional statement. I wasn't able to view the QX material but even a paid advert that states "open 24 hours", etc would seem acceptable even if not ideal. QX has included blurbs and even a few articles which confirmed pretty much the same thing. So here again it's a case of it would be nice if the refs were blindingly obvious so there is no question why they are used but that is a different case from inserting false information or indeed fraud. [[User talk:Benjiboi| -- <u style="font-size:12px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF4400;">e</fontspan></u><u style="font-size:11px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b<font color="#AA0022">oi</font></u>]] 00:24, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

:Looking through Chariots Shoreditch this seems pretty much also [[WP:Drama|making a mountain out of a molehill]]. The first site may simply be confirming that it's even notable enough to be referenced in a traveler's guide and does confirm a Roman style; the second ones confirm general bathhouse etiquette and do seem rather uncontroversial. And again a paid advert describing a club's own features is akin to a BLP subject blogging their own biography - we consider them to be experts on themselves. We would be concerned if these were exceptional claims. That doesn't seem to be the case here. [[User talk:Benjiboi| -- <u style="font-size:12px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF4400;">e</fontspan></u><u style="font-size:11px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b<font color="#AA0022">oi</font></u>]] 00:35, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

:::<yawn> More of the same I'm afraid. You start a whole new subsection much like you've done on so many other ANI threads and allege misconduct et al. You may note that [[Pleasuredome]] is a massive gay nightclub also in London, and no I have no interest in scanning anything for you ever. '''This entire exercise has been yet another [[WP:Drama]] fest and I invite anyone uninvolved to close it as still not needing any admin attention unless Delicious carbuncle is to be topic-banned off LGBT subject areas broadly construed and possibly a civility topic ban and just maybe a admin board ban. You likely do have much to offer the project as a whole but my interactions with you have proven otherwise. ''Civil'' vandalism patrol has its place but colossal leaps of bad faith time and time again show bad judgement in the least'''. [[User talk:Benjiboi| -- <u style="font-size:12px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF4400;">e</fontspan></u><u style="font-size:11px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b<font color="#AA0022">oi</font></u>]] 03:04, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

::My take is that this entire thread is designed to disparage an editor not because any content they edit is untrue but that it is focussed on gay sexual activities. Why Delicious carbuncle is so focussed on wikihounding editors who work in these subject areas is for others to judge for themselves, a visit to Wikipedia Review may help. That they feel it is their right and duty to publicly flog and enact their pound of flesh seems to be the actual underlying issue. The oft-bandied BLP flag of concern rings hollow when the fact remains that person X is the same person X who indeed does gay porn. This all digresses from the fact that we, of course, want high quality sources but this "evidence" suggesting that a company's <ZOMG!> paid advertisement used to support information about their services is somehow fraudulent remains ridiculous. Obviously it would be better to use an independent source however statements by the subject of an article are considered reliable as they are considered experts on themselves. [[User talk:Benjiboi| -- <u style="font-size:12px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF4400;">e</fontspan></u><u style="font-size:11px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b<font color="#AA0022">oi</font></u>]]

:A bit stale now, but he did receive a warning for the personal attack: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:67.216.243.127&diff=351728543&oldid=351519624]. I think if he continues with the personal attacks or edit warring to insert the NFCC-violating content, a short block may be in order. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 14:50, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

::{{AIV|w}} Report the IP to [[WP:AIV]] if the disruption continues. -<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:Fastily|<span style='font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color:#4B0082';"><big>F</big><small>ASTILY_sock</small></span>]]'''^{<small>[[User talk:Fastily|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#4B0082;">(T<small>ALK</small>)</fontspan>]]</small>}</span> 03:12, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

{{Resolved|{{vandal|Edson Rosa}} blocked for 1 week. -<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:Fastily|<span style='font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color:#4B0082';"><big>F</big><small>ASTILY_sock</small></span>]]'''^{<small>[[User talk:Fastily|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#4B0082;">(T<small>ALK</small>)</fontspan>]]</small>}</span> 03:07, 25 March 2010 (UTC)}}

This user is consistently uploading images without proper information. All attempts to engage user in discussion have failed as the person refuses to use talk pages at all (in the past 500 edits, the only 3 edits to ''any'' talk pages were to move the talk pages). I request a block until this person is willing to talk about such edits/uploads (blocks are corrective in nature, not punitive). [[User:BQZip01|<span style="background-color: maroon; color: white">[[User:BQZip01|<font color="white;">'''—&nbsp;''BQZip01''&nbsp;—'''</fontspan>]]</span>&nbsp;^{[[User_talk:BQZip01|talk]]} 15:02, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

*'''<s>Support unblock</s>''' providing he accepts a suitable probationary period whereby any instances of incivility or disruption would result in immediate reapplication of the block. Prior to the RfA drama, ThomasK appears to have been a rather productive contributor. <b>[[User:Caknuck|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF6600;">caknuck</span>]] [[User talk:Caknuck|caknuck]]</font> _{<font colorstyle="color:black;">[[User talk:Caknuck|°]]</font>}]] <fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF6600;">needs to be running more often</fontspan></b> 15:11, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

:Based on his recent edit summaries and unwillingness to follow procedure, it looks like 4 years wasn't enough. ''Bridge, I'd like to introduce you to Mr. Flamethrower. Torchy, this is Mr. Bridge. You two play nice.'' <b>[[User:Caknuck|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF6600;">caknuck</span>]] [[User talk:Caknuck|caknuck]]</font> _{<font colorstyle="color:black;">[[User talk:Caknuck|°]]</font>}]] <fontspan colorstyle="color:#FF6600;">needs to be running more often</fontspan></b> 18:05, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

{{resolved|1=[[WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Msa1701|Sockpuppet investigation]] opened. ~ [[User:Mazca|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#228b22;">[[User:Mazca|'''m'''a'''z'''c'''a''']]</fontspan>]] ^{[[User_talk:Mazca|talk]]} 21:56, 25 March 2010 (UTC)}}

The users [[User:Msa1701]] and [[User:Zippyandgeorge]] have strikingly similar editing styles (almost all edits marked 'minor', the occasional edit war, both contribute to an article on a relatively un-noteworthy British town) but most worryingly if they are the same user have recently both made similar edits to [[British Airways]] that look as if they will develop into an edit war. The reason I'm brining this to AN/I is that the user does not really appear to be using the two accounts to hurt the project so am unsure if there is grounds to throw accusations around (although, obviously, I have informed both users of this post). <b>[[User:RaseaC|<span style="font-family:Eras Demi ITC; color:DarkBlue;cursor:help">raseaC]]</span>]]^{[[User talk:RaseaC|talk to me]]}</b> 21:07, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

::I've submitted an SPI so will wait and see what happens there but, like I said, I'm not sure the user is using either account maliciously (if it is the same person). <b>[[User:RaseaC|<span style="font-family:Eras Demi ITC; color:DarkBlue;cursor:help">raseaC]]</span>]]^{[[User talk:RaseaC|talk to me]]}</b> 21:31, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

::::It looks suspicious, and if it is one user they're definitely being disruptive. This is now [[WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Msa1701|at SPI]] and the discussion is probably best continued there. ~ [[User:Mazca|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#228b22;">[[User:Mazca|'''m'''a'''z'''c'''a''']]</fontspan>]] ^{[[User_talk:Mazca|talk]]} 21:56, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

:They've been blocked 72h. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 21:22, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

{{Resolved|No further administrative action necessary; apparently [[User:Off2riorob|Off2riorob]] has not done anything wrong. If you have a problem with sources, consider making a report at [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard]]. -<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:Fastily|<span style='font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color:#4B0082';"><big>F</big><small>ASTILY_sock</small></span>]]'''^{<small>[[User talk:Fastily|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#4B0082;">(T<small>ALK</small>)</fontspan>]]</small>}</span> 03:09, 25 March 2010 (UTC)}}

* Unlikely, because he's right. Posting contentious information on a BLP and referencing it only to foreign-language sources - in one case a video - without providing quotes with English translation goes against both [[WP:BLP]] and [[WP:V]]. <b>[[User talk:Black Kite|<fontb colorstyle="color:black;">Black Kite</fontb>]]</b> 21:31, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

:: You can't just post contentious information by providing a link to a foreign-language video. "''When quoting a source in a different language, provide both the original-language quotation and an English translation, in the text or in a footnote. Translations published by reliable sources are preferred over translations by Wikipedians.''". Frankly, if you post it again, there's only one person that's going to be blocked here. <b>[[User talk:Black Kite|<fontb colorstyle="color:black;">Black Kite</fontb>]]</b> 21:42, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

:Access to Twinkle for both involved editors has been temporarily revoked due to using it for edit warring (both of them did, very clearly, see their talk pages for the diffs I provided them). I will restore it once both promise to not use Twinkle to edit war. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</fontspan>]]^{[[Help:Installing Japanese character sets|?]]} · <small><font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<span style="color:blue;">投稿]]</fontspan>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 04:17, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

:Also, both pages have been protected for the time being (one by me, one by Cirt). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</fontspan>]]^{[[Help:Installing Japanese character sets|?]]} · <small><font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<span style="color:blue;">投稿]]</fontspan>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 04:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

:Another note: it looks like Farix also reverted four times on each article, which technically breaks [[WP:3RR]]. Koolabsol made the initial changes, then reverted three times on each, so came close to breaking 3RR. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</fontspan>]]^{[[Help:Installing Japanese character sets|?]]} · <small><font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<span style="color:blue;">投稿]]</fontspan>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 04:42, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

:::I agree. Blocking Collectonian was unacceptable. Karunyan is clearly the one causing the problems here, and I actually think Karunyan should be blocked indefinitely until a promise to stop this edit warring can be extracted. Then, if he breaks the promise, the block can be reinstated permanently. We don't need such disruptive individuals "helping out" here. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</fontspan>]]^{[[Help:Installing Japanese character sets|?]]} · <small><font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<span style="color:blue;">投稿]]</fontspan>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:56, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

I'd report this on the holding pen instead, but it involves multiple pages, and I'm still trying to wrap my head around what happened. Before the moves: [[HTC Bravo]] was a proper article, and [[HTC Desire]] was a dab page. If I'm reading the histories right, somewhere along the line, {{userlinks|Darth007}} decided to make [[HTC Desire]] the article. So we have a ''huge'' series of cut-and-paste moves. Looks like [[HTC Bravo]] was moved to [[HTC (Bravo)]], and [[HTC Desire]] was moved ''three'' times: to [[HTC Desire (Disambiguation)]], then to [[HTC not Desire]], and finally to [[HTC Bravo and Eris]]. The contents of the old [[HTC Bravo]] page were cut-and-pasted into the redirect left behind at [[HTC Desire]]. Some people really shouldn't have move permissions. As a side note, Darth007 is now trying to [[WP:OWN|own]] the page and delete all disambiguation notices. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to down a bottle of rum... [[User:Jgp|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#9005E0;">jgp</fontspan>]][[User talk:Jgp|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">T</fontspan>]][[Special:Contributions/Jgp|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">C</fontspan>]] 08:46, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

*What a mess. <s>I can't find the original genesis of the page!</s> –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 13:25, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

**Found it... [[HTC Desire (Bravo)]] histmerged to [[HTC Desire]]. No comment on the appropriate pagename or whether there should be a disambiguation there. [[WP:2DAB]] may provide guidance. –[[user:xeno|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:verdana"; color=":black;">'''xeno'''</fontspan>]][[user talk:xeno|<fontsup colorstyle="color:black;">^talk</font>]] 13:32, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

***Thanks for handling this. And I think I've stopped caring about the dab page thing...better things to do than get involved in yet another bloody formatting dispute... [[User:Jgp|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#9005E0;">jgp</fontspan>]][[User talk:Jgp|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">T</fontspan>]][[Special:Contributions/Jgp|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">C</fontspan>]] 08:27, 26 March 2010 (UTC)