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*The level one headers in sections
:Would you mind explaining why you like level 1? The default is level 2, they look the same. All it does (AFAIK) is that when you create a new section, it defaults to a subsection of the section above, and in the majority of cases that doesn't make sense.
::{{Half done|Changed}} '''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<
*The notices at the top
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One issue is where your edits are happening and that you are taking many edits to do little changes. Are you using the preview button? I'm sure you're wondering why this is an issue. Well for one thing, it makes article histories (and user talk page histories) much more difficult to navigate. For another, it appears you are trying to falsly increase your edit count, so it looks like you've done more work than you actually have. For that reason, most people who've been on wikipedia for a long while stop caring about editcounts - it's even why we have the essay [[WP:EDITCOUNTITIS]]
:Not trying to intentionally increase edit count. And with creating a page, exactly what am I supposed to do? It also appears to be [[User:X!|this guy's]] page. '''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<
::Click on [[User:Since 10.28.2010/EditCounterOptIn.js|this page]], click create, put anything you like in there. The very existence of the page means that you opt in.
::You do seem to make many edits in quick succession, which can upset talk page flow, causes edit conflicts and is generally annoying to people. Can you try to use the "Preview" button, think about what you want to say and try and combine some of these edits?
::It might help if you summarise what changes you've made in the edit summary. It helps you (and others) keep track of what you've done. [[User:Worm That Turned|<span style="text-shadow:gray 3px 3px 2px;"><
:::Okay, so I just type, like a space, and then...what? I am slightly confused and don't want to create random pages for the purpose of “opt[ing] in”. Thanks again, '''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<
::::[[User:Ryan Vesey/EditCounterOptIn.js|Here]] is my opt in page. Create your page by writing anything you like, then save it, then press refresh on your browser. You will be opted in after that. [[User:Ryan Vesey|'''''Ryan''''']] [[User talk:Ryan Vesey|'''''Vesey''''']] [[Wikipedia:Editor review/Ryan Vesey|<small>Review me!</small>]] 01:57, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:::::{{Half done|Opted in}} Check it. '''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<
===Deleting things from your talk page===
More discussion about the uses and benefits of archiving can come later. Right now, I think the speed at which you remove items from your talk page needs to be discussed. Many sections are removed within hours of being posted which makes it hard for other editors to follow your talk page and very hard for Worm and I to view your progress. Would you agree to leave all sections on your talk page until there hasn't been a response for at least 24 hours at a minimum?<tt> </tt>[[User:Ryan Vesey|'''''Ryan''''']] [[User talk:Ryan Vesey|'''''Vesey''''']] [[Wikipedia:Editor review/Ryan Vesey|<small>Review me!</small>]] 04:59, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
:{{Half done|Agreed}} '''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<
===Your talk page and strings of edits===
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#Slow down a bit? You make a lot of edits in short periods of time, slowing down would help.
Perhaps Ryan will have some other suggestions too? [[User:Worm That Turned|<span style="text-shadow:gray 3px 3px 2px;"><
:<del>(The numbers below refer to the corresponding numbers above.) Yes, with the third and fourth bullets are not true, and yes,
#I do use the preview button (if I were to estimate, it has jumped about 700% since last month). I just forget a small edit at the last moment.
#I will turn the preference on after responding to this and below comments.
#Yes, I am using edit summaries, I just occasionally forget in rushed edits (e.g. rush to go to appointment, etc.).
#Exactly where is the preference for that? I can't find it anywhere.
#Exactly what do you mean, “slow down a bit?” Do I like, wait a minute before making an edit, or what? And exactly who or what “would [it] help”?</del>
(To be
'''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<
:You should do these things because that is the way things are done here. The community doesn't really care if you care or not. There are certain rules (not necessarily policy) that must be followed. You '''can''' be blocked for it. Usually it would fall under [[WP:DE|disruptive editing]]. The Wikipedia community isn't going to allow you to do things your own way. If every editor decided to do things their own way the encyclopedia wouldn't work. Now, to set your preferences so that they prompt you for an edit summary go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#preftab-3 and click the box next to "Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary".<tt> </tt>[[User:Ryan Vesey|'''''Ryan''''']] [[User talk:Ryan Vesey|'''''Vesey''''']] [[Wikipedia:Editor review/Ryan Vesey|<small>Review me!</small>]] 03:55, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
===2011 San Francisco Giants Season===
And now we come to your content. The 2011 Giants page appears to be your most prolific article creation. Again, there are long strings of edits. One thing I'm very unhappy with is "****Stats may change as games progress". Due to the obfuscated history, I can't actually see if it was you or someone else who put this in, but I have a feeling it was you, due to messages I've seen on your talk page. This shouldn't happen. [[WP:NOTNEWS]] and [[Wikipedia:Notability (events)#Breaking news]] point out we are not a news site. We don't need to be the most up to date place to get information, and we shouldn't try to be. Updating scores whilst watching a match is not what wikipedia is about.
Also, why is there a long detailed information about one game? including 3 external links. That doesn't really meet requirements. ''*Game 73 Preview (Game 1 of three-game series) - Three-game series versus Minnesota Twins tied 0-0, **Game 72 Recap'' Any thoughts? [[User:Worm That Turned|<span style="text-shadow:gray 3px 3px 2px;"><
:Will remove external links when I get to it. Exactly which requirements does it/they not meet again? And stats, I meant as in the [[pitcher]]'s record and ERA, because it may change as he pitches a game, so afterwards it can be updated (sorry if it sounds confusing, I'll explain later). '''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<
==General Questions==
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#Do you understand that Wikipedia (and me in particular) will take a zero-tolerance approach to any temper tantrum?
I look forward to your reply. [[User:Worm That Turned|<span style="text-shadow:gray 3px 3px 2px;"><
:Hello. Usually my temper tantrums are ignited when users give opportunities to express anger. My approach is to usually just take a break, and visit other sites (as in, ''off Wikipedia'', and external) in the meantime. Yes, I do understand that and why Wikipedia has a zero-tolerance policy, and I will abide by it in every case possible. (I also understand why you “look forward to [my] reply.”) The temper tantrums is usually caused by (suprisingly) the media, and the news. I live in California, possibly the worst of the fifty states (yeah, I know people ''used to'' say that California was the ''best'' of the fifty, but not anymore), and every day I wake up, I have to worry about losing my house to foreclosure. Anyway: enough with California, I will comply to all zero-tolerance-anger policies. Again, anger arises only when I am given opportunities. The research of medicine for the temper is still in progress and I look forward to its debut (doc told me it's sometime after I die; gee, who knew pouring colored liquids into graduated cylinders could be ''so'' hard). My solution, again, is to visit external sites (I will specify if requested). Now on a lighter note: thanks again for adopting, and I look forward to a good relationship at Wikipedia. Now for me: off to read a book, my favorite nighttime novel. Thanks again, '''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<
::Sorry I've taken so long to reply to this, but it's not an issue I've come across in the past and I'm hoping to find the best solution possible. I think there are actually a few issues at once here, firstly - you do seem to focus on certain things people say, even when they are "throwaway comments" and secondly, you appear to have a difficulty in letting things go.
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::In this case - things started well enough, you asked him what he meant, he kept his light hearted comments (thinking it was fairly obvious, as I would have too). You insisted on him explaining his joke, which wasn't helpful, and he replied in an unhelpful manner. At which point things degraded a little bit and he disengaged. This is a perfectly reasonable disagreement, both sides could have done a little better but there you go.
::The thing I find worrying about the incident is the fact that you asked over and over again at 01:31, 03:27, 03:38, 05:50 - which included a massive rant. Did you not consider he may have gone to sleep? This is exactly the sort of situation that I think you should have walked away, did you go and browse other sites then? If not, why not and if so, any idea why it didn't work?
::By the way, I'm online tonight at the sort of time you are, so we might be able to have a more sensible conversation. [[User:Worm That Turned|<span style="text-shadow:gray 3px 3px 2px;"><
:::The comments below are responding to each paragraph.
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:::#Yes, “[I] asked over[,] and over”, and over, and over, and over, but '''I can swear on my life that he was not sleeping'''. He just ignored me, and no, I will not walk away. I think we can all agree that I asked a quite polite question, and he responded with “It means spoiling the monster who eats them kittunz. :3”, which is absolutely unacceptable, as no one understands “what the ***” he's talking about. I responded back another nice comment (“What monster? As far as I'm concerned, they don't exist. Is the phrase like, a metaphor for something, or what? And what the *** is “:3”?”) (well, except the last part, “what the *** is “:3”?”), and he responded “They don't exist? No, really? <del>{{=)|surprise}}</del>”. What kind of response is that?! Who does he think I am, ''WoW''? I just wanted to pursue it. I wasn't thinking of the consequences. I asked him twice, “Please tell me what it is”, and never got a response. I then said “Please see this whole section, where in the eight comments I have written, and the thirty-two questions I have asked, only two of them have been answered, both with very sarcastic and crude humor”, which is absolutely true. I thought it would be a quick question, but he said “It means spoiling the monster who eats them kittunz. :3”. Anyway, I'm not here to piss anyone off, so I'm concluding this paragraph.
:::#'''Not exactly sure how to respond.'''
:::Please refer to the number when writing your comment. Thanks again (“I look forward to your reply”), '''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<
::::Have read this... will get back to you later tonight :) Focussing on re-writing the copyright lesson before you take it atm. [[User:Worm That Turned|<span style="text-shadow:gray 3px 3px 2px;"><
:::::<del>What? Tonight? Sorry, its afternoon here.</del> What's “atm”? Thanks again, '''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<
::::::It's 10:30pm here, and I'm working from 4am tile 10am, so I'll be around. ATM is internet shorthand for "at the moment" [[User:Worm That Turned|<span style="text-shadow:gray 3px 3px 2px;"><
:::::::{{Half done|Acknowledged}} '''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<
::::Ok, Ready to respond to this. Now, I'm afraid I'm not actually happy with your answers - If I had been there at the time, you would have had a warning and possibly been blocked for your behaviour, whilst I saw nothing sanctionable from Obsidian Soul. I'm sorry to be blunt, but in my eyes, you were totally in the wrong and well past Wikipedia policies. So no, per (5) I don't think it was a little more on his side at all.
::::I'm sorry to go over old ground, but I do think it will help in the long run. We're in "amnesty" as far as I'm concerned here, no one is going to get into trouble, you're not going to piss anyone off (except possibly yourself). If you need to rant at me for being judgemental, fine do it here and keep it here.
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::::(6) You will not walk away? THAT comment (and implementation of it) is what will get you banned from wikipedia. We have an essay called [[WP:STICK|drop the stick and walk away from the horse carcass]] or something like that, based on [[flogging a dead horse]]. You need to know when to walk away from conversations - when no matter what you say or do, nothing productive will come out. It's a skill and one that everyone should learn.
::::More on (6), as I mention at [2] - I understood what he said and why he said it. I wouldn't have said it like that, but I have a lot of patience and I am good at explaining things. This is one of my greatest skills and it's the reason I have so much success with my adoptees, which in turn is the reason I'm an admin (in my opinion). That other people do not have my patience and communication skills is not a failing on their part, but a success on mine. What I'm saying (besides blowing my own trumpet) is that what Obsidian Soul said was not unreasonable, but light hearted. You had a problem with it, I understand that and I'm not criticising you for having an issue with his comment - but you flew off the handle.
::::I hope you see things more from my point of view (an outsider) - but I'm happy to chat anything said. I hope you see why I take a while over replying. You needn't use talkbacks with me, I do read things very quickly and get back as soon as I can. I'm hot on my watchlist, so I don't generally miss things. [[User:Worm That Turned|<span style="text-shadow:gray 3px 3px 2px;"><
:::::Sorry about the talkbacks (“You needn't use talkbacks with me, I do read things very quickly and get back as soon as I can”). The numbers below correspond to the above (#) numbers.
:::::(1) <del>Exactly what's [2]? (Oh, you mean his second comment? Ohhhhkay.)</del> What do you mean, “[I] could see the user wasn't likely to be helpful at th[at] point, and if [I] had a little experience [I] may have been able to see the whole upset coming”? No, I could not “see the user wasn't likely to be helpful at th[at] point”. That, right there was an assumption. You assumed that “[I] could see the user wasn't likely to be helpful at th[at] point, and if [I] had a little experience [I] may have been able to see the whole upset coming”, which I couldn't. Now this would obviously not go under [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a crystal ball|Wikipedia is not a crystal ball (shortcut: WP:CRYSTAL)]], but it may go under something similiar (right?). Again, I could not “see the user wasn't likely to be helpful” and no, “if [I] had a little experience [I] may have been able to see the whole upset coming.” I'm kind of offended, to tell you the truth. Oh well, don't worry about me, I'm a minority.
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:::::(5) Yeah, well “he[/she still] replied to a question unhelpfully”, isn't that a violation per <nowiki>[[WP:SOMETHING]]</nowiki>?
:::::(6) Yes, I refused to “walk away” in that situation (whatever that means). As I see that is obviously a problem. Your statement: “You need to know when to walk away from conversations - when no matter what you say or do, nothing productive will come out. It's a skill and one that everyone should learn.” Yeah, I think ''I'll'' decide what I do and don't learn, thank you very much. <del>Honestly, I'm kind of offended. (Oh wait, I already said that. Move along.)</del> Also, can you please explain “what he[/she] said and why he[/she] said it”? I have absolutely no clue. On a lighter note, your statement: <del>“you flew off the handle.” What is this, an art class? (Sorry; in my opinion, I think figurative language and metaphors are stupid and retarded; just my personal opinion.)</del> “What I'm saying ... is that what Obsidian Soul said was not unreasonable, but light hearted. You had a problem with it, I understand that and I'm not criticising you for having an issue with his comment”. Excellent! I bow to you, Lord WTT. That is <small>EXACTLY</small> (sorry; don't want to [[WP:SHOUT|shout]]) what I want to hear from an expert like you: cut to the point (“What I'm saying ... is...”), and yes, I had problems with it (“You had a problem with it, I understand that and I'm not criticising you for having an issue with his comment”). Three (trillion) cheers for you!
:::::Yes, I'm getting to the view (“an ‘outsider’'s”). But “I'm happy to chat anything said”? What exactly does that mean? I think you made a typo? Yes, I see why (“I hope you see why I take a while over replying”), and thanks (“I'm hot on my watchlist, so I don't generally miss things”, I'm not). Thanks again, '''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<
::::::Firstly, can I apologize for causing offense. It was certainly not my intention, but I feel discussing the issues directly is likely to show the most progress. I've replied to some of your points below, but will be heading up to bed presently. I've only had a few hours sleep, so I'm not able to go into the depth that I'd like to. However, I will do my best to reply further soon. I will however point out that you are using sarcasm against me - something you were distinctly upset with Obsidian Soul for. Can I ask why you feel it is acceptable for you to be sarcastic, but not Obsidian Soul?
::::::I feel the entire issue focuses around the fact that Obsidian Soul can ignore you. Indeed it is recommended for users that you clash with and see no hope of productive discussion. '''You''' have to accept this fact if you are to remain a member of the community. [[User:Worm That Turned|<span style="text-shadow:gray 3px 3px 2px;"><
:::::::Apology accepted. I have to respectfully and directly disagree with you that discussing the matter is good: I think the best way is to forget and move forward. Since you brought it up, the same thing that happened with Obsidian Soul is repeated. All of my anger is unleashed yet again on a basic question. Yes, you can deny the answer to me, but why would you want to? Why can't you just help out a fellow Wikipedian user? I completely and totally understand that you are heading up to bed, for the time zone difference. However, your statement: “I will however point out that you are using sarcasm against me”. Can you show me a few diffs or history logs, or comments in the section discussions? Your above question (“Can I ask why you feel it is acceptable for you to be sarcastic, but not Obsidian Soul”) unfortuneately can't be answered until I find out, where exactly did I use sarcasm? (If the sarcasm is in the reflist below, then I apologize; I got quite pissed off.) Thanks again, '''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<
====The incident with my notes====
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::::::Can you be so kind to just read [[Wikipedia:Etiquette#Principles of Wikipedia etiquette|this]]: “Do not ignore questions.” '''''[[A]] [[person]] [[Who (pronoun)|who]] [[User talk:Since 10.28.2010|has been]] [[Help:Editing|editing]] [[Wikipedia]] [[User:Since 10.28.2010|since]] [[Thursday]][[Comma|,]] [[October]] [[October 28|28]], [[2010]][[Full stop|.]]''''' 03:38, 16 July 2011 (UTC)<ref>If I'm honest, this is one of your best posts here. It's polite and reasonable and backed up by a wikipedia page. The only problem is that it's too little, too late. The user has disengaged, and you haven't acknowledged that. </ref>
::::::Can you be so kind as to provide a reason that you are not responding to my comments? I asked you kindly what “spoil the kitten-eating monsters” means or refers to, and so far I haven't a clue what it is.<ref>You should have disengaged, but at least you're being polite</ref> If you're purposely ignoring me and amusingly looking at my comments to see my funny responses just to piss me off, then I will depart from your talk page.<ref>Ah, but now you've lost good faith. You've missed the possibility that he's signed off, is too busy, has fallen asleep, has disengaged with a user clashes with</ref> Just please provide a reason why. And why are you trying to be sarcastic and piss me off: “You're excused.” “They don't exist? No, really? <del>{{=)|surprise}}</del>” I really don't want to piss anyone off, and I really don't want to start a fight, but what the hell is your problem?<ref>Going a lot further than loss of good faith, this has degraded to a straight uncivil attack</ref> I mean, why are you teasing me saying “They don't exist? No, really? <del>{{=)|surprise}}</del>”? I mean, what the hell are you trying to accomplish? I am trying to find out what “spoil the kitten-eating monsters” means. Why? Just for the fun of it. I mean, why not? Am I restricted to a certin number of metaphors in the original mediokre vocabulary that I was born with (nothing)? I really don't want to piss anyone off, but you, sir (or madam), are pushing the line here, and just to let you know, I'm getting very angry.<ref>And you're blaming him still, whilst all he has done is not reply</ref> The purpose of me being here is to see if you would be so kind as to provide me with the definition of “spoil the kitten-eating monsters”. Look, some people say that I usually take things very offensively, and yes, that is true. So am I missing what you're saying, or what? If you are indeed trying to piss me off, then please read [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks]],<ref>How on EARTH is it a personal attack? there's nothing close to a personal attack from him</ref> one of the basic pillars of Wikipedia. Also, please [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_be_a_dick don't be a dick]. I really don't see why you are trying to play this strange “game”. I would like to request your point of view: when you were typing the comment, how did you think I would react? Were you suprised when I reacted? Or is this a joke? Or do you just personally hate me? If your anger is on my user signature, then please [[Wikipedia:Forgive and forget|forgive and forget]], as I have shrinked my username to normal size.<ref>I don't see that he's behaved in anger or even particularly unpleasant. Accusations such of this are very unhelpful, basically assuming bad faith</ref> It is still a work-in-progress. Honestly, if you're still mad, just [[Wikipedia:Get over it|get over it]]. Look, I'm sorry if I pissed you off in any way at any point it time, but you're just going to have to [[Wikipedia:Accepting other users|accept it]]. Anyway: please be so kind as to bring me an explanation as to why you won't tell me what “spoil the kitten-eating monsters” is? I apperciate all the trouble you have been through, and I thank you for any and all help. Thanks again, '''''[[A]] [[person]] [[Who (pronoun)|who]] [[User talk:Since 10.28.2010|has been]] [[Help:Editing|editing]] [[Wikipedia]] [[User:Since 10.28.2010|since]] [[Thursday]][[Comma|,]] [[October]] [[October 28|28]], [[2010]][[Full stop|.]]''''' 05:50, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
::::::Do you, like only answer the first question that precedes a question mark in a person's comment? Oh, I guess my previous question is the only one out of many being answered, right? Are you a Bot? Why do you hate me so much?<ref>Who said he hates you</ref> Why are you not responding? Are you like, taking a Wiki'''Since10.28.2010'''Break? What's your problem? Why are you unresponsive? Why can't you respond to a simple question? Are you a [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_be_a_dick dick]?<ref>don't be a dick is a terrible thing to reference... because generally referencing it means that you ARE being a dick</ref> Why are you trying to piss me off? Please see this whole section, where in the eight comments I have written, and the thirty-two questions I have asked,<ref>you've written 8 comments, 32 questions... in less than 24 hours... and you think HE'S got the problem!?!? that's astounding</ref> only two of them have been answered, both with very sarcastic and crude humor. I really don't want to piss you off, but (quoting from above) “what the hell is your problem?” Please tell me what “spoil the kitten-eating monsters” means. '''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<
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