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:It may be that climate change is caused in part by human activity, but that is by no means definitively proven the way that the law of gravity is proven. Patrick Moore generally presents reasoned viewpoints in a calm and rational manner. It is appropriate to mention the viewpoints he is most commonly known for and then to point out how this goes against the consensus with supporting citations. I don't think his viewpoint is quite as fringe as some editors seems to believe. However, it seems fair that Moore's views be treated as least as fairly as other *more* fringe views are treated on Wikipedia. -- [[User:Doctorx0079|Doctorx0079]] ([[User talk:Doctorx0079|talk]]) 16:33, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
:: Oh lordy. --[[User:JayBeeEll|JBL]] ([[User_talk:JayBeeEll|talk]]) 17:16, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
::These counterfactual personal opinions are not relevant to the content of the article, which must be based on reliable sources. And FWIW, it is far more likely that Booth didn't shoot Lincoln than that human activity causesdoesn't cause global heating which causes climate change--there is overwhelming scientific evidence for the latterthis, and comparing it to "the law of gravity" (which, if referring to Newton, is known to be inaccurate) doesn't change that. -- [[User:Jibal|Jibal]] ([[User talk:Jibal|talk]]) 19:12, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
: I removed "falsely" a couple of times, not because the statements are wrong or even unreferenced, but because they insert point-of-view into the article. It doesn't matter if they are true or false, articles should not editorialize. [[User:Darmot and gilad|Darmot and gilad]] ([[User talk:Darmot and gilad|talk]]) 21:00, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
: I agree that they are inserting POV. Saying "falsely" is necessarily taking a specific point of view, on an issue that is complex and still hotly debated, not as clear-cut as "2 + 2 = 4" or "F=ma". Science works by induction, not merely accumulating statistics. There's a good book called How to Lie with Statistics. -- [[User:Doctorx0079|Doctorx0079]] ([[User talk:Doctorx0079|talk]]) 23:18, 15 July 2021 (UTC)