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::::: I see no consensus here. [[User:Jonathan A Jones|Jonathan A Jones]] ([[User talk:Jonathan A Jones|talk]]) 14:11, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::: So, I see multiple issues re: consensus here:
::::::::::: 1. Currently the lead doesn’t meet lead conventions due to recent citations in lead that are not in the article’s body. For example, “journalist” title added when other sources such as Slate and the Atlantic refer to the subject as author and not journalist.
::::::::::: 2. The user who added the tag and new citations also seems to have issues with the way the lead is worded re: “popular” vs “academic” sources. This is simply a clarification of how the subject’s writing has been received. It’s been discussed many times here and consensus has been reached many times. In that regard, the lead has changed over time in a couple of ways: first, there were changes you, I, and others agreed upon here previously. Those discussions are available in the archives. Second, [[user:X-Editor|X-Editor]] brought issues they had to the talk page and consensus was reached for changes (namely that reception of subject’s writing was mixed or celebrated in popular presses). The “popular press” title that the creator of this section takes issue with was achieved through consensus and collaborative editing. That discussion is available on the talk page.
:::::::::: Those are the two main issues raised as I currently see them, but it’s hard to reach consensus if no one replies for over a week about collaboration and reaching consensus.
:::::::::: My suggestion as of right now is that if the “journalist” title is going to be used, it needs to be added to the body and then added to the lead, although as I said previously, a good number of RS explicitly do not use journalist. Second, the “popular press” needs to stay for the reasons outlined in previous discussions above where consensus was reached because editors collaborated and didn’t drive-by tag, raise issue, and then disappear.
:::::::::: If we can have discussion and move toward consensus, by all means let’s do it. If the user who raised issue isn’t coming back to work toward consensus let’s drop it and move on—the lead has been worked on by many editors through collaboration and consensus for some time now, as evidenced by the history of this talk page.—[[User:Hobomok|Hobomok]] ([[User talk:Hobomok|talk]]) 15:06, 31 March 2023 (UTC)