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:::::::The example from Judge Judy shows that words that have the same meaning can have different connotations.
:::::::I notice that the tone of the article [[Elizabeth Holmes]] is neutral, although she made false claims about medical devices she was selling. And unlike this article, a reasonably informed reader would not know they were ineffective unless they were told about them. It still conveys her effectively even if it doesn't contain lots of hyperbole. [[User:The Four Deuces|TFD]] ([[User talk:The Four Deuces|talk]]) 13:54, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
::::::::{{tq|If you think most people know that climate change is supported by evidence then you are being condescending to them.}} I already said that I never said I think that: {{tq|I have no idea where you got that. You need to reexamine your logic.}} I made not even one statement about how popular those positions are. So, enough with the [[strawman argument]]s already. But even if I had said that, the logic that followed your strawman is twice invalid: there is no reason why opinions about popularity of opinions are "condescending", and even if they were, opinions are (or should be) based on good reasoning and not on considerations about whether people will think them "condescending".
::::::::Since you crammed three easily-spotted mistakes into one sentence, any discussion with you is necessarily fruitless, and I do not need to read the rest of your incoherent rambling. --[[User:Hob Gadling|Hob Gadling]] ([[User talk:Hob Gadling|talk]]) 14:29, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 
:That wording was mentioned in an earlier [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Patrick_Moore_(consultant)#The_statement_that_increased_CO2_is_beneficial thread] but was not the main subject. It's worse than that. The cite is of [https://climatefeedback.org/claimreview/scientific-studies-established-clear-links-between-human-caused-increased-in-atmospheric-co2-and-global-warming-patrick-moore/ Climate Feedback]. That group-blog post starts with a quote of Mr Moore's statement and a link to Instagram but when I followed the link I didn't see that statement, so context if any is unknown. And don't be misled by the site's list of reviewers -- its "scientists' feedback" sections are prefaced by "[Comment from a previous evaluation of a similar claim.]" i.e.those are not responses to Mr Moore's statement -- only the editor's comments are a response. In any case the quote, if valid, is about lack of proof that CO2 causes, not lack of evidence that CO2 contributes. So better to remove the whole sentence. [[User:Peter Gulutzan|Peter Gulutzan]] ([[User talk:Peter Gulutzan|talk]]) 14:22, 14 May 2023 (UTC) Update: I realize now that the Instagram comment might be somewhere on an accompanying video which won't play on my machine. [[User:Peter Gulutzan|Peter Gulutzan]] ([[User talk:Peter Gulutzan|talk]]) 13:27, 15 May 2023 (UTC)