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*:@[[User:Svampesky|Svampesky]] I'd appreciate the help copy-editing! Sorry, I incorporated your suggestions a few days ago but forgot to reply to you here lol. [[User:Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist|Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ]] ([[User talk:Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist|talk]]) 16:59, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
*::This is a notification that I'm still going to help with copyediting this. Sorry for the late reply, this comment got buried in my notifications. [[User:Svampesky|<span style="color: #008080">Svampesky</span>]] ([[User talk:Svampesky|<span style="color: #008080">talk</span>]]) 16:22, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:[[User:Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist|YFNS]]: {{tq|The piece was previously discussed above}} - your submission was not just {{tq|discussed}} [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/Submissions/Archive_7#Anti-trans_misinformation_on_Wikipedia|in that previous thread]] on this page, it was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/Submissions&diff=prev&oldid=1227520460 rejected]. It's disappointing that you re-posted this here with such a misleading summary. It seems quite clear that you concluded you can simply ignore that decision by [[User:JPxG|the Signpost's editor-in-chief]], or pretend that it was merely about some outstanding "suggestions".
:Back then, I had [[User_talk:Your_Friendly_Neighborhood_Sociologist#Your_"Anti-trans_misinformation_on_Wikipedia"_Signpost_submission|asked you on your user talk page]] to consider the [[WP:AEDR|various editing restrictions]] you remain under in this very topic area. I had suggested that {{tq|reflect on how a hypothetical adaptation of these restrictions to the particular collaboration mode of the Signpost might look like}}. In particular the one that says that you are {{tq|limited to 0RR on articles for organizations/activists who are affiliated with anti-transgender activism or gender-critical feminism, broadly construed}} - considering that the article you submitted here focuses extensively on negative information precisely about what you characterize as such an activist. (Also, as mentioned [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Your_Friendly_Neighborhood_Sociologist&diff=prev&oldid=1239397680 here], it does seem interesting that your full GENSEX topic ban - since lifted -[[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1121#Advocacy_editing_by_User%3ATheTranarchist|appears to have been imposed]] out of concerns that are quite reminiscent about the current issues with your Signpost submission, e.g. {{tq| creating near attack articles}} about people you perceived as anti-trans activists, or {{tq|approaching [your] editing from a [[WP:RGW]] perspective}}, according to the closing admin.)
:At that time, two months ago, you were already engaging in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom&diff=prev&oldid=1227628315 persistent] [[WP:BLUDGEON]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/Submissions&diff=prev&oldid=1227524984 efforts] to overturn that [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/Submissions&diff=prev&oldid=1227520460 decision] by the editor-in-chief ''not'' to publish your submission, and I told you that such tactics, while not article reverts in the sense of your restrictions, may well become similarly disruptive to the Signpost's production process. The response I got from you was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Your_Friendly_Neighborhood_Sociologist&diff=prev&oldid=1239397680 entirely ignoring] my suggestion, and instead consisted of yet more bludgeoning and badgering. Since then you have continued this kind of [[WP:BLUDGEON]] behaviour, e.g. [[WP:FORUMSHOP]]-like [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom&diff=prev&oldid=1236255675 pinging] [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]], apparently in the hope that his opinion about your piece will differ from JPxG's, etc. Also, when you pinged former arbitrators asking them to spend time providing input on your draft, were you transparent with them about the state of this submission?
:Apropos, I also find it interesting that one of these former arbs [[Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/Drafts/Disinformation report|sees]] {{tq|strong parallels to the 2019 [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Antisemitism_in_Poland|antisemitism in Poland]] case, where the committee of the time (which included me) also fucked it up and missed an opportunity to put a stop to [https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/25785648.2023.2168939 damaging disinformation targeted against a minority]}}. I don't know if you know this, but the Signpost's coverage of that very topic was extremely controversial last year (with probably the largest volume of pre-publication comments we've ever seen for one story). Lots of editors were attacking us for merely running a review of that peer-reviewed paper, arguing that the review was not critical enough and that it was inexcusable to amplify those researchers' negative characterizations of some editors involved in the controversy. In that case, I supported the publication of the piece (after careful examination of those objections and addressing some valid points), arguing that we were merely reporting and commenting on allegations that had already publicized in a peer-reviewed academic journal. But in case of your piece, I don't see such a defense. Rather, lots of its claims and characterizations of the main character appear to be your own, and as discussed, you are an editor with a highly problematic history about this very topic (even when taking into account your [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/Submissions&diff=prev&oldid=1227511659 clarifications] that your accusations of pedophilia apologia against the subject of your Signpost submission here on the submission page were not intended to be part of the article itself, and that the allusions in your bolded note [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/Submissions&diff=prev&oldid=1226940611 here] may or may not have been about the use of physical violence on your part).
:As I said about in the previous thread about this submission: We should {{tq|make extra sure that if someone covered in the piece with their real name feels inclined to take legal action (or file a complaint arguing that some of the text is a UCoC violation), we can justify every sentence if needed and have nothing to regret}}. At many journalistic publications, this would be the kind of text where the [[managing editor]] notifies the legal department for pre-publication vetting. Your behavior and editing history does not inspire confidence about this at all. It is clear that you feel very strongly that this is a very bad {{tq|FRINGE anti-trans }} person, and that you do not mind engaging in behavior that's disruptive to the Signpost's editorial process in order to use the Signpost to widely publicize your negative views about this person.
:To be clear, if JPxG wants to change his mind and take the responsibility for publishing this piece with its BLP, reputational and possibly even legal risks for the Signpost, I'm not going to stand in his way. But if he wants to uphold his decision, he has my full support. The fact that we welcome opinion pieces from various perspectives (including sometimes controversial ones) does not meant that we should feel obliged to spend indefinite amounts of time and risks in support of particular contributors' advocacy goals, especially with such clear BLP implications.
:Regards, [[User:HaeB|HaeB]] ([[User talk:HaeB|talk]]) 02:05, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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