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:There are so many claims here that the overall piece is challenging to address, so again, I am personally backing it if anyone returns wanting a particular Signpost contributor to take responsibility and blame. That said, Wikipedia is a crowdsourced project and neither I nor anyone else can catch all the challenges in a work like this, and I hope that after we find a path to publishing this in some form, more editors propose better ways to explain that case, ArbCom, and the extremely fast-changing social trends in global conversations on gender.
:If any other editors have demands or requests for getting this article in better shape for the Signpost to publish then I will work through those requests with YFNS. Thanks for considering. [[User:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">''' Bluerasberry '''</span>]][[User talk:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">(talk)</span>]] 21:06, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Bluerasberry|Bluerasberry]]: Honestly, you had shown pretty bad judgment in this matter already, by (apparently, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/Submissions&diff=prev&oldid=1226603453 according to YFNS]) encouraging this submission in the first place despite the author being under community-imposed restrictions (and having previously been banned entirely) in this very topic area, and by expressing [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Next_issue/Disinformation_report&diff=prev&oldid=1227249805 your unreserved approval] of it despite serious issues that several other Signpost team members (Headbomb, Bri, JPxG, myself) pointed out afterwards. And in your remarks above I still don't see a lot of awareness for such concerns that IMO continue to make this piece highly problematic for the Signpost.
::{{tq|I give that support in part because I especially call for LGBT+ related submissions}} - that seems to be a bad rationale. The mere fact that a submission is related to a particular topic area should not mean that we run it without regard for issues like BLP etc. To be direct: I know that this is about a political cause that you, like YFNS, feel strongly about. That in itself is not problematic, many of us have such causes that we are very invested in. But it does become an issue when one puts them over community policies, or, in case of the Signpost, journalistic standards. (As a reminder, the Signpost has run multiple other LGTBQ-related stories that are less problematic, including recently the "No Queerphobia" essay originated by YFNS herself.)
::I also can't help noticing that in our current issue, [[Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-07-22/News and notes|several Signpost readers raised serious concerns]] about failures regarding journalistic standards in not one but two different stories by you (neither of which involved LGBTQ issues). I know that you have since, to your credit, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AWikipedia_Signpost%2F2024-07-22%2FNews_and_notes&diff=1236192747&oldid=1236186822 acknowledged] these problems, and I continue to value you as a longtime Signpost contributor who has done lots of valuable work. But perhaps such incidents can serve as a reminder to be a bit more conspicuous especially regarding topic areas that you feel strongly about.
::Regards, [[User:HaeB|HaeB]] ([[User talk:HaeB|talk]]) 07:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
*{{u|Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist}} and {{u|Bluerasberry}}, I'm happy to assist with copyediting, but the content is something I'd struggle to offer an opinion on. I'll draft some notes and have them posted. Consider removing the hatnote {{tq|Note: When used on their own, 'Cantor' refers to James Cantor/User:James Cantor and 'James' refers to Andrea James/User:Jokestress.}}, and opting for their full names being used consistently to avoid confusion. This is particularly important as you mentioned, {{tq|During this, the other editor discovered his identity and took him to the COI Noticeboard for attacking Conway and James, shortly after which he started going by User:James Cantor}}, as I was confused as to which 'James' was being attacked. Also a side note, I think that this being published is likely to cause a reaction from some people. The report I published for the current issue found its way to some 4chan threads and a handful of subreddits on Reddit (note: I use neither 4chan, nor Reddit. I discovered this through Google search results). This is possibly because I namedropped both sites, but is something to keep in mind. Lastly, I would recommend avoiding the excessive use of {{tq|green quotes}} and instead use standard "quotation marks". In the part where it says {{tq|now successfully appealed, obviously[1]}}, is there any way of making the link an internal-wikilink, rather than an external hyperlink? That's just my personal preference. [[User:Svampesky|<span style="color: #008080">Svampesky</span>]] ([[User talk:Svampesky|<span style="color: #008080">talk</span>]]) 00:26, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Svampesky|Svampesky]] I'd appreciate the help copy-editing! Sorry, I incorporated your suggestions a few days ago but forgot to reply to you here lol. [[User:Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist|Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ]] ([[User talk:Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist|talk]]) 16:59, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
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