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Biography's editing

Hi, I'm new here. I took the task to improve the biography of Benjamin Schwarz (writer). I haven't found any obvious mistakes & simply added a bulleted list. What else could be improved there? Thank you for your help!BeeJeeJay (talk) 11:43, 14 June 2023 (UTC) BeeJeeJay (talk) 11:43, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

From your list, BeeJeeJay, I happened to choose architecture. The claim isn't referenced; but no matter, because what's mentioned in the lead of an article is normally stated at more length in the body of the article. But there's a problem: There's no mention of architecture (or none that I notice) in the body. So what's the source for the claim that he's written about architecture? As for other problems, how about "His wife, Christina, is the author of the bestselling novel, Drowning Ruth"? How do we know that she's his wife; and what, if anything, does "bestselling" actually mean? -- Hoary (talk) 12:14, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

BeeJeeJay only changed a comma-separated list to a bulleted list.[1] I don't think the lead is suited for a bulleted list. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:17, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Tsk tsk, I'd been too sleepy/lazy to check the history. BeeJeeJay, check that the inclusion in the list of every item is shown in the body text to be justified. Remove any (such as architecture) that is not backed up, with a solid reference, in the body text. And then convert what's left to a comma-separated list. -- Hoary (talk) 12:23, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Done that, thank you! BeeJeeJay (talk) 09:13, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

I checked, his wife's book's been on Amazon's bestsellers list. 2 questions:

1. How do you usually verify that people are married?

2. Should I create an article about his wife, too? BeeJeeJay (talk) 09:16, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

@BeeJeeJay:, to your questions:

1. The same way you verify anything else in Wikipedia, namely: you find a reliable source that says that they are married, and then you add a citation to the source you found.
2. Writing a new article is a difficult task, and is usually better approached once you are an experienced editor. There's a risk that you could create an entire article, only to see it deleted after all that work. That said, you're not prohibited from attempting it, and if you want to try anyway, see WP:Your first article.

Hope this helps, Mathglot (talk) 01:05, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Move / publish a page from my personal space

I recently asked for a page to be imported from German wikipedia (de:Stephan_Grill) to my personal space (user:Applepii/Stephan_Grill), so I can translate it to the English. I translated the page and I don't know what the next step would be, so someone can review it for publishing it in the English wikipedia. Do I use the "move" button? Thank you for your help! Applepii (talk) 12:01, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Applepii, "Einzelnachweise" (one of the headings) isn't one of the better known items of the English language. "Physics of Life" is a substantial section -- yet completely unreferenced. Make sure that it's referenced. -- Hoary (talk) 12:20, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

I have added a box with a submit button and translated some things.[2] Category names are still in German. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:31, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I references Physics of Life and translated the according categories. Thank you also for adding the submit button. I did submit it now. Applepii (talk) 15:00, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Automatically merge duplicate citations

Is there a way to automatically merge duplicate references into named references? Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 12:57, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

@Carpimaps Wikipedia:reFill does that, but not always elegantly. Another way is to name one and replace the other ones with that one manually. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:40, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 13:43, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

@Carpimaps: This is one of AWB's general fixes, but only if there are other named references in the article. GoingBatty (talk) 14:12, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

@Carpimaps:, if the duplicate references are named in the style of Visual Editor numeric references, simply consolidating them doesn't always yield wikicode that is any easier for an editor to edit than it was before. In that case, I'd recommend installing the user script User:Nardog/RefRenamer and using that. Mathglot (talk) 01:16, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Keep getting flagged for promotion. Not seeing any issues.

Hi!

Attached is my draft of an article about a Brooklyn-based contemporary art gallery: draft: Welancora Gallery. I'm new to editing on Wikipedia and I have attempted to get my draft through multiple times. However, each time I get flagged for promotional language. Each sentence in my draft is thoroughly sourced with articles from established independent sources, none of the websites that are referenced were written by the gallery itself. Each source that I used says something almost verbatim what is in the submission to avoid any subjectivity and but also explicated enough to avoid plagiarism.

Each time I get declined, the response times get shorter and shorter. Which in one hand is really great that Wikipedia reviewers/editors are eager and ready to help out aspiring article writers. But on the other hand, one of my submissions was declined so swiftly and with such little explicit explanation that I must question if the new and edited submission was read or regarded.

I may be getting unfair strictness from reviewers because I signed the COI declaration. The requirements to sign a COI declaration are vague, I signed it to not only because I care about Wikipedia's encyclopedic integrity, but also because I wanted to ensure that I would not get flagged or any troubles down the line for volunteering to write this article for the gallery. I must make it clear, I am not getting payed to write this article. I volunteered because I love to write and edit. I am not getting any promotional benefits from writing this article, even if the language I used was subjective (which it is not, it is source-based).

In my most recent submission, I removed anything that I could see was encouraging language.

I mirrored the format and structure of other NYC galleries with published Wikipedia articles, ours is incredibly similar in tone and style.

I would appreciate any guidance because I would hate to see this get discarded.

Thank you for your help, INJCurator (talk) 18:53, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @INJCurator: you clearly have a relationship with this subject. For that reason, as well as the way this draft has been written, with much of the content unsupported by referencing, I'm guessing you've pretty much written what you wanted to say about the subject, and then found a few sources that may or may not support what you've written. Would that be a fair comment?

Instead, what you should do is find reliable and independent secondary sources that have on their own volition published significant coverage of the subject, and then summarise (in your own words, and without putting any spin on it) what they've said. This achieves a number of things. Firstly, it establishes that the subject is notable, meaning worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia. Secondly, it ensures that everything in the draft comes from sources that don't have an interest in promoting the subject. And thirdly, it allows the reader to verify that what is being said is likely to be correct.

Currently, this draft IMO cites at best only one such source, namely the Cultured piece; we need at least a couple more like that.

Until such time as the draft has been based on coverage from independent sources, it is inherently promotional, because it is you telling the world about the gallery, not summarising what others have said about it. (You may wish to see WP:YESPROMO which elaborates on this point.) Until then, it is also not possible to accept this draft, because notability, which is a core requirement for inclusion in Wikipedia, has not been demonstrated. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:15, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

At this point, I don't know what to do. I wrote eight sentences, all are fact supported by secondary sources. Can you tell me which references and which sentences to remove to get approved. The sentences I have written follow exactly what Greene Naftali Gallery, Jenkins Johnson Gallery, and Marianne Boesky Gallery have modeled on their pages, and the tone, structure, and types of sources are similar as well. Any specific edits would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your help. INJCurator (talk) 14:55, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, INJCurator. You have modeled your draft on one article rated Stub and two articles rated Start. That is roughly equivalent to modeling your homework assignment on the work of the worst of your fellow students. You should select Good articles and Featured articles as models. Your "Major exhibitions" section is referenced only to the gallery itself. We need independent reliable sources to determine that an exhibition is major, not the gallery. I was optimistic that you referenced four different New York Times articles. I am a subscriber, and so read those four articles. None of them devote significant coverage to the gallery. They are just passing mentions and are therefore of no value in determining notability. That was disappointing. You need to identify several independent reliable sources that devote significant coverage to the gallery as a business venture, not articles that briefly mention that works by Artist A were shown at the gallery. Eliminate every single word and sentence that is not verified by a reliable source, summarize the significant, independent coverage, and only then resubmit. Cullen328 (talk) 17:42, 15 June 2023 (UTC).

I also recommend that you read Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) carefully. Cullen328 (talk) 17:47, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

What about "A Rare Black-Owned Art Gallery Lands in Chelsea"? I don't have an NYT subscription, but that seems likely to be sigcov? -- asilvering (talk) 18:31, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Asilvering, you might think so, but that NYT article is about a different gallery in the Chelsea neighborhood of Manhattan. The Welancora Gallery is in Brooklyn, and is mentioned only fleetingly: A veteran of the field, Vassell said she is keenly aware of pioneers, such as June Kelly in SoHo, and of smaller galleries owned by Black women, including Welancora in Brooklyn, founded by Ivy N. Jones, and Housing on the Lower East Side, run by KJ Freeman. That is clearly a passing mention that does not establish notability. Cullen328 (talk) 18:49, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Hm, that's too bad. But it does suggest that the place is notable - you don't just namedrop a gallery no one has ever heard of like that, especially not in a sentence with "pioneers" in it, unless they're pretty well-known. Here's another useful source for the article: [3]. Part of it is an interview, but this isn't promo churnalism, it's a full editorial. -- asilvering (talk) 19:26, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

My view is the source you've highlighted doesn't count towards notability. The content is not independent of the gallery as it's an interview with the owner. Questions are posed and answered but there is no added comment by the interviewer. The only independent comment is the paragraph below the two pictures (towards the top of the piece), but that doesn't amount to significant, indepth coverage as required by WP:ORGCRIT. Rupples (talk) 21:46, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. That is why I said "Here's another useful source for the article", and not "here is solid evidence of notability" or somesuch. -- asilvering (talk) 21:50, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Some articles' titles are italic?

I'm confused, some articles are italic and some are not. Like Pokemon Trading Card Game. Why is the title italic? Waterard (talk) 22:13, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Waterard, and welcome to the Teahouse. The list of things to be in italics in MOS:ITALICTITLE includes Video games, board games, trading card games. ColinFine (talk) 22:20, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

@Waterard and ColinFine: There also exist articles whose titles are partially italic and partially upright, for example: Harry Potter (film series). CiaPan (talk) 06:39, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Establishing notability

I began writing an article on Rhoda Lerman, an author, but am unsure of whether she is notable enough. I have her obituary from The New York Times, and NYT has also covered several of her works over the years. There are also scans of newspapers that were uploaded to her website. I am unsure of whether this would be enough to warrant an article about her, am having difficulty finding any other sources, and would be appreciative of any advice or help other editors can offer. Thank you, EndTheory (✉ • ✎) 03:16, 15 June 2023 (UTC) EndTheory (✉ • ✎) 03:16, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

It says she has "critically praised novels" in her NYT obit, which is a pretty sure sign that she's notable, since authors who have written multiple notable books usually survive AfD discussions. I would start by looking for those reviews. Also, you might be interested in joining WP:WIRED? -- asilvering (talk) 18:26, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll look for reviews. I joined WIRED just now, thank you for introducing me to the WikiProject. EndTheory (✉ • ✎) 18:32, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

References

Willem Ombelet page

Hello, I have a question about the content I added. Apparently any factual information based on external sources, like education, work, etc is flagged. In this particular case, the data come from a page in a magazine founded by Willem Ombelet, a peer-reviewed magazine he is editor-in-chief of. The data are correct. I wonder what the problem is? Karzel666 (talk) 11:41, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Welcome Karzel666,

If you are just putting external links into the body or are sourcing off of them in the External links section, then they may have been flagged and the body links may have been removed. See WP:EXT. If you can explain a bit further on what you are talking about then I can go deeper. ✶Mitch199811✶ 12:58, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy to Teahouse Hosts: Draft:Willem Ombelet, last declined in April. David notMD (talk) 13:48, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

The hyperlinks (and copyright violation) appear to have been removed from the text, but this leaves many of the proposed sections without references. David notMD (talk) 13:52, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Karzel666 should be queried about COI/PAID, as this draft is the only editing from this account. David notMD (talk) 23:42, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

block this overhead

in the case of a handful of users and ips making disruptive edits a select few articles with the exact same things (in this case the articles on vídeo brinquedo and mockbusters), is it better to request protection on them, suggest that the people be blocked (again, for one particular ip), or is it a matter of personal opinion?

in the latter case, i'll probably just do both and call it a day cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 14:02, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

...nevermind, the ip got blocked again. the discussion leading to the block was one comment long. thanks, carpimaps cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 14:22, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Contributions to Administrator Noticeboard discussions

Hi. Although I've read the AN pages, I'm still a little uncertain whether or not a non-admin editor who is not directly involved in an incident is allowed or welcome to contribute to a discussion (to make what will hopefully be received as a constructive comment). Seeking confirmation before I go wading in. Rupples (talk) 14:25, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

@Rupples: Welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, you're allowed as a non-involved editor to chime in. If you're unsure about what to say, you can always lurk more. It's never enough. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:31, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

@Rupples Yes, it's allowed. Welcome... you never can tell. Go for it and see what happens. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:31, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks to you and Tenryuu for such quick replies. I get the point re "Welcome"! Rupples (talk) 14:51, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

@Rupples you can use Template:Non-admin comment if you think it would be useful. -- asilvering (talk) 18:17, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

(Non-administrator comment) You mean this. I've been on Wikipedia awhile, yet there's always places in Wikipedia's arsenal of guidance one hasn't ventured and that template page is one of them! Thanks very much for the info. Rupples (talk) 18:43, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Inserting images

I accidentally put an image at the start of an article instead of where it should go, so I backspaced it. Now, when I try to put it in the correct spot, it says it’s a duplicate and will only allow me to paste a link. Help! CitrusSoEpic (talk) 15:45, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Citrus, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you are getting a message about duplicates, it sounds as if you are trying to upload the image a second time; but you don't need to upload it again to put it in an article. You have uploaded File:Flag of Utah (new).jpg to Commons, and can insert it in an article as many times as you like.

However, I'm dubious about its copyright status. You have uploaded it as "own work", and have made a specific legal statement I, the copyright holder of this work, hereby publish it under the following license. How can you claim to be the copyright holder of a flag? Even if you made this image, somebody else owns the copyright on the flag (unless it has been placed in the public domain, which I know many US Federal images have, but I don't know about state images). I urge you to go to c:File:Flag of Utah (new).jpg and either i) clarify how it is that you own the copyright, or ii) if you have evidence that it is in the public domain, make that clear, or iii)nominate it for deletion.

Alternatively, is the image actually different from File:2022 Utah Flag design.svg, which does claim that that is Public Domain? If it is, you need to explain at your image's description page how and why it is different, as well as sorting out the copyright. If not, you can use that image in the article, and nominate your upload for deletion. ColinFine (talk) 17:10, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

How to embed an audio on a talk page?

I tried to embed two audios saved on Wikimedia here but failed to do so correctly and so, finally, I posted it them as external links. How do I embed those audios on the talk page there without any external link/s?-1Firang (talk) 15:54, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

@1Firang: Hi there! You would first upload the files to Wikimedia Commons (or the English Wikipedia) and then link to those files, just like you would with a photo. See Help:Files for more info. GoingBatty (talk) 17:15, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, 1Firang, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see Help:Sound file markup. ColinFine (talk) 17:16, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks GoingBatty and ColinFine!-1Firang (talk) 18:17, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Islamic good message

Islam messenger Ansarisaima6881 (talk) 17:36, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Ansarisaima6881 - I am afraid I do not understand what you mean by "Islamic good message". We have a specific guidance on Islamic articles at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Islam-related articles. Please note that, as explained in that guidance, we never allow honorifics such as PBUH or SAW. - Best wishes - Arjayay (talk) 17:42, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

sources in a language i do not speak

hello! I have been trying to fix issues with the article 2021–2022 Luzon sabungeros disappearance and have encountered difficulties- the copy-edit is for length and so summarization is needed, but it is difficult to figure out what is essential information to keep because I do not speak Tagalog, the language of many of the news articles that are sources for the page. is there a tag i could put on it for this? Lilacsoutofthedeadground (talk) 17:41, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Have you tried asking at WP:PINOY or WP:PTN yet? -- asilvering (talk) 18:14, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Shortdesc in old Vector UI

Are short descriptions behaving strangely for anyone else recently? I now see them as the first line in an article, at the same size as the article body text (they should be in small). Eg at the top of this page it says Welcoming place for new Wikipedians (Edit) immediately above the teahouse banner. I haven't changed anything in my custom css or js files recently. -- asilvering (talk) 18:12, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Sounds like Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Short description text enlarged? — might be worth seeing if there's an answer that'll help you there? — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 18:14, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that's certainly it. Thanks! -- asilvering (talk) 18:22, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Why?

Why do bots come here and just delete peoples questions do they want the people to not find the answer? WONKAKlD (talk) 19:18, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, WONKAKlD, and welcome to the Teahouse! Questions are archived after 2-3 days with no new comments in the topic, but these questions are still available. You can search the archives using the box right below the table of contents at the top right of the page. If questions were never archived and simply remained on the page, the page would be so long that it would be near-impossible to navigate - here is an example of a recent archive, and there are 1191 archives just like that one. If you're looking for questions you have asked previously, you can find them in your contributions. It isn't that big of a deal if questions are asked multiple times, people are happy to help. Tollens (talk) 19:27, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

@WONKAKlD I agree it can be irritating to find that your question has been archived and, even if you see it in your contribution history the link there won't work because that link is not updated to the new archival location. The solution is to "subscribe" to the thread where you asked the question: you do that by clicking the link to the far right at the beginning of the thread's title: the Why? in the case here. Once subscribed, you will receive notification every time a new edit is made in that thread AND you'll be notified when the thread is archived so you'll know it won't get any more answers. The "subscribe" tool is available on all Talk Page sections and each acts independently so I find it extremely useful. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:25, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@WONKAKlD:: Welcome to the Teahouse. In addition to the answers you've been given above, you may want to try out the Convenient Discussions script. Not only does it provide some more features than the current Discussion tool as well as highlight new responses and yours, if you look for a section that's archived, the script will try and scour through the page's archives to see if it can find it for you. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:12, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy ping: WONKAKlD

Nathaniel Parker Willis' Daughter

I was looking through my university's archival collection, and I found a travel log text by Nathaniel Parker Willis that is dedicated to his daughter Imogen. While looking into the author I noticed that there is no mention of Imogen anywhere on the page. I don't want to make an edit based off of just one text, does anyone else know of any mention of a daughter by him?

Here's a link to the Wiki article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Parker_Willis

Here's an online version of the text: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t2p55fh9m&view=1up&seq=25 Malonekat (talk) 20:09, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Malonekat, under #Literary career, the article says: He and Stace had a second daughter, Imogen, who was born June 20, 1842. So his daughter is mentioned. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 20:22, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

same name

Hi, I am creating a page for an Actor who happens to have the same name as a Professional Rugby player.

How is this managed?

SiChandler (talk) 21:30, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Per the disambiguation guidelines, if your article is accepted, editors will have to determine which subject is the primary topic for that name. The primary topic's article will have the name as the title, and the other one will be either "Name (actor)" or "Name (rugby player)". (Or, if neither is the primary topic, the name will be a disambiguation page that links to both.) WPscatter ^t/_c 21:51, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Great thank you very much. SiChandler (talk) 21:53, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, SiChandler, and welcome to the Teahouse. In the long run, the answer is that one or both of the articles will have a disambiguating word in parenthesis in their titles - eg Will Rowlands (actor) or Will Rowlands (rugby player). But since you've (appropriately) created and submitted a draft, you don't need to worry about this: the reviewer who accepts your draft will sort out the naming appropriately. ColinFine (talk) 21:51, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Great thank you very much SiChandler (talk) 21:53, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Should music/album on discographies really link to external links?

Stumbled on Neal H Pogue and I am wondering if the tracks on his discography should be allowed to link his Apple Music rather than being plain text or linked to wiki articles if there were any. Danidamiobi (talk) 21:32, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse! No, this use of external links is not appropriate. See WP:EXTERNAL: "With rare exceptions, external links should not be used in the body of an article." I don't think this is one of those exceptions, having checked Wikipedia:WikiProject_Discographies/style and Wikipedia:WikiProject_Musicians/Article_guidelines. WPscatter ^t/_c 21:38, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Advice on formatting entry and references

The UNDRR have a page United Nations Office for Disaster Risk Reduction. There are direct links in-line within the content section 'risk knowledge' to a website owned and run by UNDRR such as [4]https://www.preventionweb.net/ See the 'Risk Knowledge' section. I wanted to add an additional section or link to an educational game resource and website from the UNDRR aimed at schools and universities called Stop Disasters [5]https://www.stopdisastersgame.org/ and the studio who produced it https://playerthree.com/portfolio/stop-disasters.

The addition was removed as possibly considered promotional and also shouldn't have been linked in-line to an external website, plus didn't include enough book or publication references. There are more UN sites that reference the project such as https://unric.org/en/stop-disasters/, https://www.preventionweb.net/publication/play-and-learn-stop-disasters but also academic papers such as https://www.researchgate.net/publication/316010486_Stop_Disasters_20_Video_Games_as_Tools_for_Disaster_Risk_Reduction and https://www.academia.edu/30067608/Stop_Disaster_Game_Experiment_with_Elementary_School_Students_in_Rio_de_Janeiro_building_safety_culture . I would love some help or advice on how to add this project by the UNDRR and in doing some where the external link should be placed and which of the references are more important. Was the link to the website considered promotional? or was it the reference to the production studio who created it? Any help and advice is very welcomed. MrGravois (talk) 21:44, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

MrGravois, the content you added to United Nations Office for Disaster Risk Reduction contained a direct external link, contrary to Wikipedia policy; and was referenced to a source which was not independent of the subject. I'm not surprised that it was removed. Maproom (talk) 20:52, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Reversion

Suppose I edit an article on day X, and then I edit it further on a later day Y. If someone wants to revert edit X, will that also revert edit Y? Johsebb (talk) 22:30, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

No. And usually they cannot revert X, unless they manually edit the article and remove the text, because the edits in Y make an automatic revert impossible. However, if someone else wants to revert everything after and including X, they can do that by restoring the article to a previous version. -- asilvering (talk) 22:54, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

@Asilvering: So how does one revert a number of edits (say 10-12 edits) all together?-1Firang (talk) 02:17, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@1Firang Go to the article history, click on the version you want to revert back to, and then click "restore this version" (should show up in a box at the top of the screen). -- asilvering (talk) 02:39, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Asilvering: I presume that this can't be done on a mobile?-1Firang (talk) 03:12, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@1Firang I would assume it can, but I don't use the mobile app, so I can't tell you how. -- asilvering (talk) 03:27, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

It can if you're in desktop view. Maybe otherwise too. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:44, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

OK, thanks Asilvering and Gråbergs Gråa Sång.-1Firang (talk) 15:45, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Notifications

In setting my preferences for notifications, I am asked about Web, Email and Apps. What does this mean? Do these refer to the manner in which I receive notifications?

Also, I see that notification can be triggered by a reversion, but suppose someone simply modifies an edit that I made (in an article that I myself may or may not have authored), or removes the material by simply deleting it, without using "undo". Is there a way for me to be notified of this? Johsebb (talk) 22:37, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

You can receive notifications in three places: on the desktop website, on the mobile app, and by email. You can choose to have all notifications go to all three if you like. I assume most people save email only for notifications they consider to be most important.

There is no way to be notified of a manual revert as far as I am aware. The best you can do is to keep the page on your watchlist, or check in on it periodically. -- asilvering (talk) 22:53, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia interface

My Wikipedia interface looks like that of a computer. Every time I open Wikipedia on my phone, the letters are so small that I have to rotate my phone to be able to see them properly. It wasn't like this before. What happened? Raquiolinha (talk) 00:12, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Raquiolinha, welcome to the Teahouse. If there is a "Mobile view" link at the bottom of pages then tap that. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:35, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

I did tap that. The letters are still small as hell. It's like it thinks that my phone is a computer. And the strange thing is that with Wikiquote and Wikisource that doesn't happen at all. Raquiolinha (talk) 02:12, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: Did it stop saying "Mobile view"? After tapping it should say "Desktop" instead at the bottom. If it does then I don't know why it's still small. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:34, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: Are you using the Wikipedia app? Or are you using a browser on your phone to go to the https://en.m.wikipedia.org mobile website? Or something else? GoingBatty (talk) 03:58, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm using the browser. I don't like the app. Raquiolinha (talk) 07:29, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha If you're still encountering the issue, try going to WP:Enable mobile version and click the "Go to the mobile website" link, this should redirect you to Mobile View. Alternatively, you can also manually append the front of the URL from https://en.wikipedia.org to https://en.m.wikipedia.org. If both solutions fails, try looking through your phone settings, if you've accidentally set the font size to small, you can refer to the following links: For Android (general only) or For iOS. If all three solutions isn't the expected result, you're looking for, kindly provide a screenshot. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 11:04, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

How do I provide a screenshot? Raquiolinha (talk) 11:55, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha You upload via WP:FUW by following the instructions there. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:03, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Here's the link: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Providing_a_screenshot_for_Teahouse_matters_(or_at_least_trying).jpg Raquiolinha (talk) 13:22, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: It's the mobile view as it should be but it looks like you have disabled "Enable responsive mode" or "Enable limited width mode" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. They are enabled by default. Try enabling both if they are disabled now. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:41, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Where are those options? Raquiolinha (talk) 14:39, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: If your skin at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering isn't the default "Vector (2022)" then you may have to select that first. The mentioned options should appear below the skin selection. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:05, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

I already selected the skin. letters still small. did you change this on purpose? Is this how I view Wikipedia on my phone now? because it's really messy having to zoom the screen constantly. Raquiolinha (talk) 15:39, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: The only way I can reproduce your screenshot is by disabling the mentioned options. Do you see the options at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering when "Vector (2022)" is enabled? Are the options enabled? What is the operating system and browser on your phone? PrimeHunter (talk) 15:52, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

I didn't want you to reproduce my screenshot. That screenshot was to show the issue. Do you mind if I provide you with another screenshot, this time on another Wikipedia site, just to show you how I wanted the Wikipedia interface to be like? Raquiolinha (talk) 19:04, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: You misunderstand: PrimeHunter was unable to replicate the issue as described in your screenshot. It would help if you would answer his questions. If the interface differs on another project it's most likely a skin issue. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:22, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

But I didn't want him to replicate the issue. what was in the screenshot was the issue that I wanted to get rid of. Raquiolinha (talk) 19:40, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: Being able to replicate an issue on a different device is an important step in fixing the issue - if they can't figure out how your device is configured they cannot fix it. If you answer the questions they asked, we may be able to help: Do you see the options at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering when "Vector (2022)" is enabled? Are the options enabled? What is the operating system and browser on your phone? Tollens (talk) 19:47, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Well, I'm using Chrome, if that's what you're asking Raquiolinha (talk) 20:11, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: Do you see the options "Enable responsive mode" and "Enable limited width mode" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering when "Vector (2022)" is selected? Are the options enabled? PLEASE ANSWER! I'm trying to help but you make it hard. I have an iPhone. It sounds like you have an Android device. I cannot test what happens there. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:24, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

how to gain access to extended protection editing

i wanna know how to gain access to extended protection editing YEAAAAAALOL (talk) 02:09, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Good day,

According to wp:XCON, you need 30 days and 500 edits of experience. ✶Mitch199811✶ 02:13, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Until then, you can use the edit request wizard to request edits on protected pages. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:29, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

What's the role of teahouse hosts?

I've been a regular here, but I am still confused about what roles Teahouse hosts have here. Is their job to clerk discussions? Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 02:47, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Carpimaps: As far as I can tell it just means you call yourself a host, and I understand your confusion because nowhere does it clarify the meaning of being a host - Apmh 03:42, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Back when the Teahouse started one of the fundamental aims was to create a welcoming space - introducing the "hosts" who would be answering questions was part of that process. Rather than being helped by unknwon Wikipedian's you could be helped by people who had nice introductions and were chosen because of their commitment to maintaining the friendly environment being targeted. I think it was a good idea - part of making this a bit special. - Bilby (talk) 04:11, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Carpimaps Those who regularly provide answers at the Teahouse (like myself) may or may not formally be hosts: I am not. Those who have volunteered for the formal title have their names rotated through the welcome banner at the top of the page. They sign up using this page, which contains the criteria to do so. There are many historical accounts of the setting up of the Teahouse and the host system in the archives of its Talk Page. The most recent of these is WT:Teahouse/Archive_26#Deletion of inactive Teahouse hosts, if you are interested. Teahouse hosts do not have a "job to clerk discussions", or any other job. They are just people who believe they can assist the overall Project by answering questions from mainly novice editors, without expressing irritation when the same questions come up repeatedly. To be clear: anyone may answer questions here at the Teahouse but the main expectation is that the answer you give should be accurate and in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:40, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

User:Minister Joseph Lb

Hello. I'm not sure how to ask an administrator but please could someone remove this user page from Category:Worship and the other content categories they have added themselves to. They also have a sandbox page with the same problem. Thank you in advance. 2A02:C7C:ACA7:4600:49DC:2D0:4F4:293A (talk) 04:34, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Self promo now deleted. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:02, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! When you spot this issue in the future, you can edit the user page to change the categories to category links by adding an extra colon. (e.g. [[Category:Worship]] to [[:Category:Worship]]). Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:13, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Research institute in Iran

Hello, I want to write an article about a research institute in Iran. Due to the limited access to the Internet, I was able to find a series of news and websites that mentioned the Royan Center, for example, one of these sources was for UNESCO, in which Royan was mentioned. Written, but the article was not registered. My question is how can I find more resources about this important institution like Royan with limited internet access? In addition, I must say that Royan Institute has been an independent page for years and when I wanted to update its information, the page was completely deleted. Please help me to create this page . Thank Katrina masbin (talk) 07:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC) deleted. years deleted. Katrina masbin (talk) 07:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Mere mentions are not enough. Please read and understand the detailed messages on your talk page, and read WP:INDEPENDENT to understand what we mean by independent sources. I suggest you also study WP:YFA. --Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:07, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Where’s best to take a question about ‘language barrier’ editors.

So I’m kind of a returning editor (my User Page will fill you in), and a report (I think it was either at AN or ANI) where an editor got snagged as using ChatGPT, got me thinking.

We surely have our share of editors who get CIR Blocks, under language barriers. Could these editors contribute productively on a wiki in their language? AGF says Yes, right? But all these people know is ‘that one big Wikipedia’. How much do we realistically point these users in the direction of other wikis, in their language, where they can thrive?

I suspect that one of the Village Pump’s areas is where to take this, RFC definitely doesn’t seem to be, but I could use a second opinion (so not WP:3O compatible, haha!) on where to take such a suggestion. MM ('"HURRRR?) ^(Hmmmmm.) 12:02, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Well, we have the Wikipedia:Local Embassy; also ,we have different templates to welcome non-english speakers and point them towards their language Wikipedia. These can be found under Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English/Templates for user talk pages Lectonar (talk) 12:22, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Ooh, okay that last one is very much in the right direction. Where would I find stats on how much these templates are used? If you’re wondering where I’m going with this, I’m wondering if existing tools are actually enough to keep ‘horrible English, but otherwise productive’ editors within Wikimedia space, and if the tools aren’t enough, we can at least establish that they’re not, and try to figure out how to improve this situation. Less misguided CIR and NOTHERE (due to language barrier) blocks is always a good thing, right? Or am I looking for a solution in search of a problem, as I saw someone else say? The problem may be much smaller than I suspect, as far as I know. MM ('"HURRRR?) ^(Hmmmmm.) 13:25, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Matticusmadness: statistics, I have no idea, and yes, I saw that you are talking editor retention. But having been on here some time, and being rather active in many things concerning translations and the like, the problem might be not as great as you see it. We have those who make honest mistakes, they come to EN because they followed a "wrong" google link (or just had automatic translation activates); those are easy candidates, and won't get blocked here...they will disappear direction "native language Wikipedia" after having been shown the way. Then we have the ones trying to shoehorn in articles which have been deleted in "their" language Wikipedia; those are a bit more problematic, but will be dealt with via the deletion process and the like: they tend to lose interest. I won't talk about CIR blocks because I lack experience, but I have the impression they aren't that frequent, anyway. All in all, from the WP:PNT point of view, I see no great problems. Lectonar (talk) 13:46, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Deletion Process as long as Ed Poor doesn’t repeat his crowning achievement, you mean. ;) Happy to trust your experience, and admit I may have gone a smidge WP:SLOP on this one. Cheers Lect. MM ('"HURRRR?) ^(Hmmmmm.) 16:36, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

How to write on a talk page?

Hi, I am confused about how to write on a talk page. I was editing a couple of Wikipedia pages just fine but when I went to edit a talk page it wasn't clear. Could someone please help me with this? Hemmingweigh (talk) 12:15, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Hemmingweigh and welcome to the Teahouse. All pages are edited the same way but the details depend on the editor you are using and whether the Talk Page already has something on it or is blank. So, please let us know which editor (visual or source) you are using and please place a link here to the Talk Page you want to edit. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:20, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

The help page Help:Introduction to talk pages/1 is a helpful starting point. Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 13:30, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

IABot

How do you use it? QuicoleJR (talk) 15:55, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Found the instructions on m:User:InternetArchiveBot. If you have questions on specific parts of the instructions, please feel free to ask follow-up questions. Cheers, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:38, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Why does it need permission to create and move pages on my behalf? QuicoleJR (talk) 16:41, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps someone else knows. The text in question, for reference:

Hi [user],
In order to complete your request,
IABotManagementConsole needs permission to perform the following actions on your behalf on all projects of this site:
Perform high volume activity
High-volume (bot) access
Interact with pages
Edit existing pages; Edit protected pages; Create, edit, and move pages

Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 19:25, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@QuicoleJR See WP:BOTMULTIOP, in particular the bit about OAuth. The archive bot is one that any editor can activate but your Username will end up in its edit summary and you are responsible for its use. Many other bots run in the background and their edit summaries only contain the name of the bot itself. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:08, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Well, the link to the toolforge site brings you to a page to configure IAbot instead of run it. I've run it before in the past and still made the same mistake the other day. The workflow is to tap the menu button in the corner and go to Run Bot → fix a single page. Folly Mox (talk) 04:53, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

MOS for lists of Alumni

Does anyone have a good example of a list of university alumni in terms of formatting? I've been looking at the List of New York University alumni and would like to make revisions for consistency (for example, "Educators" is one table on the list while "Professors, researchers and scientists" is a separate table with various award winners in a separate table below that). I'd like to have a good example to refer instead of arbitrarily choosing a hierarchy or format. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

Vegantics (talk) 16:30, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Vegantics I looked at the featured lists at WP:FL and then the individual ones at Social Sciences/Education. This gives plenty of examples, including List of Dartmouth College alumni. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:14, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Thank you so much, this is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you for articulating your process as well-- it will make it much easier to find these things in the future.

Vegantics (talk) 17:25, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Main body reference numbers not changing to fit edits

I am editing 'this article'. I have deleted some references and put in new ones. There is one reference (number 1) I cannot see in the main body but which remains in the reflist. Can I edit the reflist directly? All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 16:39, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

It looks like that reference is being used in the infobox, under "Awards". The infobox references always come first in the list - I was confused about that for a while too. You can click the ^ next to each reference in the reflist, and it should take you to its position in the article, if something similar happens in the future. Tollens (talk) 16:45, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks so much! I see now! It was driving me mad. I have learned a lesson here! All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 17:09, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Short desc formatting - no longer smallified

In the past few days, my (Vector legacy) short descriptions have gone from small to normal font size. Did something change in Vector that would have impacted this to happen in VL? - UtherSRG (talk) 17:15, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Ah... I see there's a thread on this at Wikipedia_talk:Shortdesc_helper#Short_descriptions_lost_their_styling. Nevermind. :) - UtherSRG (talk) 17:18, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Random article thing

How many of you edit by using the "random article" thing on the upper left part of your screen? I keep getting random pages about Poland, so I was curious how "random" it truly is? Iljhgtn (talk) 19:26, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: You can actually see how "Special:Random" works here: Wikipedia:FAQ/Technical#random - Apmh 19:40, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

That's strange. I usually get random pages about moths. Shantavira|^{feed me} 20:08, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

I only get articles about sports -- which I know nothing about, which is funny. I stopped using it, and now I only get obscure Vietnamese villages. It's good to know it's not just something going on with me. Professor Penguino (talk) 00:03, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

I get sports (and insect stub) articles too. Too bad I don't know anything about either to expand. Capsulecap ^{(talk • contribs)} 02:08, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

You can use Special:RandomInCategory to help avoid the 70% of articles that are sports, insects, and villages. Folly Mox (talk) 05:02, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Professor Penguino (talk) 05:21, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hiring editor for American Singer Songwriter

Hi

We are looking for an editor with biography writing skills to write a page for Wikipedia for and an American singer song writer and composer. Look forward to hearing from you soon! TheDuecce (talk) 22:51, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@TheDuecce: This is a volunteer effort. We do not offer writing for hire. If you do hire someone, beware that there are many scams out there. RudolfRed (talk) 22:59, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, TheDuecce, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that the fact that you're even thinking of paying somebody to write about you on Wikipedia indicates that you have a (very common) fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, which summarizes what independent sources say about a subject, not what the subject says or wants to say. Promotion of any form is forbidden anywhere in Wikipedia.

If you find somebody honest to write an article about you, then they will tell you up front that they cannot guarantee that they can get an article about you accepted, and that if they do get an article accepted, neither you nor they will thereafter control its content, or be able to delete it if you don't like the content. Please read an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. ColinFine (talk) 23:18, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, TheDuecce. I recommend that you read the Scam warning. Cullen328 (talk) 23:52, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

This is a website of volunteers. "Hiring" editors is usually discouraged. Professor Penguino (talk) 00:02, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello TheDuecce. You may want to start your own website so that you will be able to post whatever you feel would be best, and not have to follow all of Wikipedia's strict rules. Also, with your own website, you won't have to worry about other editors coming along and deciding to add information that you would prefer not to have on your page. Best wishes on your promotional efforts. Karenthewriter (talk) 00:13, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Paid content creation

I've nominated probably half a dozen articles for deletion, by the same user (Amaekuma), that all follow the same formula of creating pages for Nigerian "entrepreneurs" or "social media personalities" and are entirely made-up of refs from those semi-legit looking paid-promotional articles you're seeing more of nowadays. Is there anywhere to report this? Its getting exhausting nominating pages only for new ones to get created over and over, with no repercussions. Nswix (talk) 00:27, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. The most appropriate place for this would be WP:ANI. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 02:23, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Just looked at your talk page and saw this thread. I don't like the look of this. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 02:35, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

How do i prevent recurring vandalism on a page?

Good morning everyone, thank you all for reading this and helping me out :) The page of “Sulaiman Al-Fahim” is subject to continuous vandalism as a few people keep removing valuable and credible information and sources without any plausible cause or reason. Thank you all for your time and help, awaiting your responses and intervention. Jacobmicheal232 (talk) 03:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Jacobmicheal232.

I've checked the article and you are nearing close to an edit war. To prevent further escalation, could you discuss the disagreement with the user or discuss the situation on the article's talk page? 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 03:50, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Using Generative AI/ChatGPT, etc. to write articles

Good morning everyone. I'd like to know if anyone else uses such AI to write their articles. While it automates what we as editors do, does it do it better? I do not use it myself, but I feel it has potential to do what we do, but faster, and maybe better. And so using it might mean better content can be put out faster. Just like to other editor's views on this. SenatorLEVI 03:57, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

No it makes alot of things up, and writes in a very biased way. It could work if it is trained on wikipedia editing specifically and not just general purpose, but not ChatGPT. Personally i don't use it anymore Sebbog13 (talk) 04:42, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

While certainly fast, using a LLM to generate a Wikipedia article does have several significant drawbacks, the largest in my opinion being a lack of sourcing. It is not currently possible to ask any LLM to use reliable sources and cite material appropriately (which is mandatory), and any output may be somewhat or entirely incorrect, while maintaining a confident/encyclopedic tone. Note that the person publishing an edit is responsible for every edit they make; if someone is routinely adding unsourced or erroneous information, the use of AI is not an excuse. However, this doesn't mean that you cannot use LLMs at all - they can be very helpful in providing critique and suggestions for human-written text, creating a general outline of the key points you may want to research (but not the actual content, just a summary to guide you), paraphrasing, or copyediting. Tollens (talk) 04:44, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

LLMs can be helpful for rephrasing text or summarising information, but they're not yet capable of writing policy-compliant encyclopaedia articles. They make stuff up – including, worryingly, references – don't understand proper encyclopaedic tone, can't assess notability or neutrality, etc. They're certainly faster, but nowhere near good enough to write encyclopaedic text. See this discussion for where the community is at right now on the topic. We recently had a longtime productive editor blocked indefinitely just for suspicion of LLM usage, and there's a current open discussion about whether to create a new criterion for speedy deletion to address LLM-authored text at WP:VPI. Folly Mox (talk) 05:19, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

could probably be better if trained specifically on how to edit wikipedia Sebbog13 (talk) 05:26, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Absolutely, I don't think anyone means to suggest otherwise, but as of now they simply aren't good enough to meet all of Wikipedia's policies. Tollens (talk) 05:36, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@SenatorLEVI: Welcome to the Teahouse! I tried using ChatGPT once to write a Wikipedia-like article about a musician. (This musician already has an article, but it's not great.) After trying different prompts, I finally received something that looked like a properly formatted article with footnotes. It was great, until I actually read it. It contained albums that the musician didn't release. Also, every single URL had nothing to do with the musician. When I told ChatGPT that the URLs were wrong, it apologized and provided new URLs, which were also wrong. I didn't end up using anything that ChatGPT suggested to improve Wikipedia. GoingBatty (talk) 05:36, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

St-Domingue Creoles

I am working with a group of students on the St-Domingue (Haiti) emigres who fled to New Orleans during the Haitian Revolution. To my and the team's surprise, they were directed to a page named "Dominican Creoles". Apparently someone or group has decided to rename the St-Domingue or Haitian Creoles as "Dominican Creoles" creating much confusion. The people of St-Domingue have never been referred to as Dominicans which is a much later term used after the creation of the Dominican Republic. Dominican means someone from The Dominican Republic or someone from the island of Dominica. The proper name which is backed by all historical records is St-Domingue Creoles or Haitian Creoles. I would appreciate if anyone could edit that page or send it to the team responsibe. Thank You / Merci. Kreyolbro (talk) 04:26, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@Kreolbro: the article Dominican Creoles does have a note at the top clarifying it should not be confused with People of the Dominican Republic, but this sounds like a conversation you might want to have at Talk:Dominican Creoles. From scanning the titles referenced, it looks like you might have the weight of sources on your side. If you are not able to convince the article's author (it appears to be a solo composition), you can open a move request to solicit wider feedback. Folly Mox (talk) 05:28, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Kreyolbro: Hi there! Are you referring to Saint Dominguans and/or Saint-Dominguans, both of which are redirects to Dominican Creoles? If so, do you think they should redirect to a different article, and if so, which one? If not, which specific redirects/articles are you referring to? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 05:31, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Is there a possibility to include correct pronunciation of names of noteworthy people? 2407:C00:6003:25F9:1:0:1BC8:DCCC (talk) 06:12, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Andre Agassi is an example of an article that uses both {{IPAc-en}} and {{respell}} to explain the proper pronunciation of his name. GoingBatty (talk) 06:16, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Is this a good way to try to at least limit advertising in a page?

I am editing Applus+ IDIADA, and when I started editing it I saw that it had large amounts of text that felt like advertising. Of course, Wikipedia must remain neutral. But is this a good way, and if not, how can I improve it

Thanks

Signed MyMystry (talk) 06:21, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, MyMystry. If you want to edit that article, your objective should not be to limit advertising language, but to eliminate every trace of advertising language. You can start with the second sentence, which includes the word homologation. That word is some strange combination of jargon and bafflegab, and its presence in the article serves more to confuse rather than to enlighten the readers. Cullen328 (talk) 08:00, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Why was my draft declined?

Why was my draft with the Num-stub template declined? ByeBlocks4224 (talk) 06:57, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, 16384. Your draft was declined because it provides no evidence that the number 16384 is a notable number. Also, your draft contains no prose, and cannot possibly be an informative encyclopedia article in its current form. All it is at present is an infobox thst makes no claim of notability. 08:09, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

A question about an Upwork freelancer potentially misguiding clients

Greetings!

I'm seeking advice and need some guidance. I recently interacted with an Upwork freelancer named Sonali Kavdia. Her Upwork profile can be found at this link: *https://www.upwork.com/freelancers/sonalik.

I realize now that my actions contravened Wikipedia's guidelines, but there's more to the story:

I inquired with Sonali about the notability of my client's project, CookUnity. She assured me that she has close ties with a Wikipedia administrator who could verify the project's notability. After agreeing to this, she responded in a few days, claiming that the Wikipedia administrator deemed the group not notable and recommended creating a page on an alternative website, Wikitia. I acquiesced, and the page was established here:

wikitia.com/wiki/CookUnity

Later, however, I discovered that Wikipedia administrators do not collaborate with paid editors on Upwork, let alone suggest publishing on Wikitia. I would appreciate your advice and comments on the veracity of Sonali's claims. It also seems necessary to delve deeper into this matter, as there's a possibility that the paid editor on Upwork may damage Wikipedia's reputation by potentially propagating misinformation (though I may be mistaken). MitYehor (talk) 08:09, 17 June 2023 (UTC)