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Page for Kathryn (Kathy) L. Smithen

I would appreciate help in getting my page published. I am new to this system and unsure of what I'm doing. Please assist. I think there is public interest in the page going public. Not sure how to upload a photograph to go with it. Please advise. Kathryn L. Smithen

Kathy Smithen (talk) 03:48, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Not done: Hi Kathryn, TomStar81 has left some general information at your talk page.

This talk page is for discussing the Wikipedia:Requests for permissions project page. Regards, Celestra (talk) 04:23, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately this is not the venue for requesting page edits or page creations. I will shortly providing you with some help on your talk page. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:25, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 January 2014

hi i would like permmission to use meterial about emmanuel lasker, chess player for my BOOK, thank you david dowson 90.194.101.218 (talk) 19:33, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

• Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Are you requesting to have an edit made to this article for you or are you inquiring if it is okay to use the material on this page for your own publication? If it is the first, please respond with a clear change x to y or please add this to that type request. If it is the latter, please read Wikipedia:Contact us - Licensing. Technical 13 (talk) 19:49, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Total number

Having read the individual pages linked from WP:PERM, I wondered is there an overall head count of how many editors have been granted one or more of these permissions? Green Giant (talk) 06:26, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

As far as I know:

• Currently, there are 1,411 administrators and 6,034 reviewers (7,445 in total) on the English Wikipedia.
• There are currently 1,411 administrators and 4,996 rollbackers (6,407 total)
• There are currently 3,049 autopatrolled users, which makes the total number of users with this permission 4,468 (the rest are administrators).
• There are currently 369 file mover users, which makes the total number of users with this permission 1,786 (the rest are administrators).
• There are currently 125 users who have the account creator flag. The rest are administrators.
• There are currently 71 template editors and 1,411 administrators (1,482 total).
• All users are autoconfirmed after 4 days and 10 edits. Fewer than around 5% of requests for early confirmation are granted.

Admins are generally very conservative about according additional user rights. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:10, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the stats Kudpung, much obliged. Green Giant (talk) 12:33, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2014

Please Add that Russell Wilson is the second African American to win a super bowl. http://thecincinnatiherald.com/news/2014/jan/30/super-bowl-qb-russell-wilson-born-cincinnati/ Isaiah2k11 (talk) 05:39, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the page Wikipedia:Requests for permissions. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. LittleMountain5 05:59, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

What is the point of the Confirmed request page?

Looking at the archive history, it appears that the page to request Confirmed permission can safely be removed. 99.9% of the requests are denied. Those few that are granted, are granted for experienced editors (e.g. public doppelganger account) who know how to contact an administrator to make a request anyway, or who could easily wait the required 4 days. Even if I created such a legitimate account for myself, it does me no harm to confirm it the usual way.

This page is really a waste of administrator time.

I suggest that we replace this page with a notification to all users that confirmation requires 10 edits and 4 days, period. ~Amatulić (talk) 00:26, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

What about legitimate alternative accounts? Jackmcbarn (talk) 01:43, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

As Amatulić said (re doppelganger accounts) they could ask an admin (on the admin's talk page), use {{admin help}} on the new account's talk page or post at AN. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 04:54, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

What about people who want to create books? They need confirmed status as well, and they're usually new enough that they won't know to go to an admins page. We're better off with a centralized place that at least follows certain protocol (i.e. the aforementioned legitimate alternate account still requires its holder to pop by and post confirming that it's theirs). RFPC also gives us the opportunity to educate selectively and in a targetted manner - if a user drops by to ask for confirmed to upload an image, the responder is SUPPOSED to go by their page and drop a {{Welcome-image}} on their talkpage. If they drop by because they want to edit a topic that they have COI with, they drop {{Welcome-COI}}...and so on. This allows us (hopefully) to nip certain unwelcome behaviours in the bud, and start a new editor on the right path. DP 09:58, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

If you want to create a book, by the time you're done editing that book in your sandbox, you will have more than enough edits and time elapsed to be autoconfirmed. That is not a good argument.

Most users who have made any contribution at all will get a welcome message anyway, so that isn't a good argument either. I've seen welcome messages appear before users make any edits.

My point is that this confirmation request page is a waste of time. It wastes the user's time with requests that are almost 100% guaranteed to be denied, and it wastes administrators time because ~0% of the requests are legitimate.

The alternative I offered is to simply have a page saying that confirmation requests will not be granted, and anyone with a legitimate alternative account should contact an administrator, the same way people already do for rollback. Instructions on uploading images should also be included, as well as a recommendation that new users should work on draft articles in their sandbox, or at WP:AFC, neither of which require confirmation. In all cases, they will get auto-confirmed if they follow those instructions.

Another alternative is to draft an army of entrusted users to monitor pages like this, and empower them to deny requests. We've experimented with this, with some success, on admin pages like MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist. The 0.001% of legitimate confirmation requests can be forwarded to an administrator for action. ~Amatulić (talk) 20:41, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

• I think the first question we need to answer is: whether the existence of a process whereby a non-confirmed editor can request the action be performed by someone else is sufficient grounds to reject requests for confirmed. So, I want to upload a file, I'm not confirmed; I can request confirmed, and upload the file myself, consistent with the 3rd pillar, or I can go to WP:FFU and request someone else do it. On the one hand, requiring FFU is not entirely consistent with the pillar, but on the other, it will avoid the upload of many files that would either be copyright violations, or should be at commons instead. Is requesting a semi-protected edit as good as getting the permission to make it yourself? Is requesting a move as good as getting the permission and being able to do it yourself? Only after answering that question should we get to how we deal with all the currently rejected requests. The permission description at the top suggests it may be granted for those reasons, so a first step could be making it clearer in what circumstances we do actually grant it. So, for instance if we are never going to grant confirmed for file uploads by new contributors, absent really peculiar circumstances, I don't see why non-admins couldn't direct them to commons/FFU as appropriate. Monty₈₄₅ 21:22, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Non-admins currently do direct them to FFU - we have set templates that all monitors should use, when appropriate. Admins then do grant the ones that need it - even though I monitor that page, I have been poked to act once or twice DP 21:38, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 February 2014

27.131.14.29 (talk) 09:28, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

27.131.14.29 is a vnadalism-only account. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:21, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

• Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. There is no request here. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 16:24, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Backlog

This page (WP:PERM/A) has backlog since 7 days apparently because of non-functionality of tools, however it is working now. It requires attention of some willing administrator. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 14:13, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 March 2014

I have been editing now for 3 Months. I am requesting to be a reviewer because I am really enjoying being an editor. I can see myself doing this for a while and have a great understanding of what is needed to do the job. Garymarsh (talk) 17:54, 30 March 2014 (UTC

No semi-protected edit has been requested here, You have made 2 edits today since your account was made today, and that is not enough to grant the reviewer right. This is not the right place to ask for the permission either. GB fan 18:08, 30 March 2014 (UTC)