Talk:Court Square–23rd Street station

Station renamed?

Sometime in the past few weeks, the automated subway announcer has begun announcing this station as "Court Square-23rd Street". The electronic display inside the E train also uses this new name. The subway tiles in the station itself haven't changed, though. -- SHODAN (talk) 01:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

I just checked the official map and the station name remains the same. Per the naming convention for the subway, the map is how we name the stations on Wikipedia. Acps110 ^{(talk • contribs)} 02:18, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

That will be changing shortly. http://www.mta.info/news/stories/?story=208 Larry V (talk | e-mail) 17:30, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

The 45th Road station is in the process of being renamed “Court Square”, and the MTA has set a date for the opening of the transfer. The MTA's online map has been updated, and I expect the PDF version will be updated shortly. Larry V (talk | e-mail) 02:16, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

NRHP status of 45th Road-Court House Square

So does this mean that the the IRT Flushing Line station is no longer listed on the National Register of Historic Places? ----DanTD (talk) 22:34, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

I doubt the station has been de-listed. The NRHP rarely delists unless the building is completely demolished. It is not at all uncommon for historic buildings to change their names, and yet to continue to be listed in the NRHP under the old (now obsolete) name. Blueboar (talk) 13:06, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

White space

Does anybody have any ideas for dealing with the expanse of white space in this article? I've experimented in "preview" with several solutions, but none work. ScottyBerg (talk) 03:18, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

.. and then, five seconds later, I found a possible solution. Does that work for everyone? ScottyBerg (talk) 03:21, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I've put it back. The text should go with each infobox. The lead for this article is too short; it needs more text for the length of the rest of the article. That would help remove some of the white space. Acps110 ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:21, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I see the problem re the E-M text and the accompanying infobox. The problem is that I think it would be hard to flesh out the article lead, given the nature of the subject matter. ScottyBerg (talk) 16:49, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Bob1960evens (talk · contribs) 16:35, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

I will review. I will work through the article, making notes as I go, and return to the lead at the end. Can I suggest that you mark any issues fixed with comments or maybe the  Done template. I am not in favour of using strikethrough, as it makes the text difficult to read at a later date, and it is an important record of the GA process. Bob1960evens (talk) 16:35, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

• There are three dead links, which you can see by clicking the "External Links" option on the GA Tollbox menu.

 Done

History

• This needs a little bit of context about the location, rather than relying on the lead to supply it.
  • Done. epicgenius (talk) 22:41, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
• Some explanation of Dual Contracts in the article would help maintain the flow, rather than just relying on the wikilink.
  • Done. epicgenius (talk) 22:41, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Connections created

• MTA is an acronym and needs introducing, so Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) on first occurrence.

 Done

• ...at the cost of $8.5 million... should be "...at a cost of..."

 Done

• ...the tower was built as part of the process of Citicorp splitting up its operations between its different buildings. Does not read well. Suggest "...the tower was built to allow Citicorp to split its operations between several different buildings." or similar.

 Done

• most of the project was funded by Citi, "Citi" is shorthand for Citigroup, and it should be written in full.

 Done

• ...and renovations to the station's mezzanine... Suggest replacing "renovations" with "alterations", to avoid repetition of "renovations".

 Done

Crosstown–Queens Boulevard Lines transfer passageway

• The concept of "railroad north" is introduced here with no explanation. "Railroad south" is mentioned in the IND Queens Boulevard Line platforms section, where it is wikilinked. Personally, I think these terms are just confusing, but if using them is important to the article, the wikilink should be on the first occurrence.
  • I removed the confusing term. epicgenius (talk) 15:41, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

IRT Flushing Line platforms

Exits

• down to a waiting area/crossunder, where a turnstile bank provides entrance/exit from the station. Use of the slash is not recommended by WP:MOS#Slashes. Suggest both could probably be replace by "and".
  • Done.
• The rest of this paragraph includes three bracketed clauses, which interrupt the flow of the text. Suggest removing brackets, and using punctuation and possibly more words to improve flow. So: and the northbound platform's elevator (within fare control) also leads to the underground mezzanine might become "and the northbound platform's elevator, which is located within the fare control area, also leads to the underground mezzanine" for instance.
  • Done.

IND Queens Boulevard Line platforms

• (Ely Avenue was the former name...) This does not need to be bracketted.

Exits

• This station has three entrances/exits. Another use of slash.
  • Done.
• the full-time one is at the extreme north (geographical east) end. If "railway north" is confusing, it is even less clear what this means. Expand and remove the brackets to improve clarity.
  • Done.
• one High Entry/Exit Turnstile. Another use of slash.
  • Replaced with "full height turnstile", although it would have otherwise been "High Entry-Exit Turnstile". epicgenius (talk) 15:41, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
• A single staircase from each platform go up to a raised crossover... A mix of singular and plural. Suggest "Single staircases from each end go up..."
  • Done.

IND Crosstown Line platform

• ...there is a bell mouth that splits the 2 tracks into 3 tracks then again into 2. The bellmouth provides the space for the tracks to split, and is not the cause. Suggest "...there is a bell mouth where the two tracks split into three, and then converge back into two." or similar. Small numbers should also be spelled out.
  • Done. Also, according to the sources, this seems to be a reversing track, not a siding. epicgenius (talk) 15:41, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
• The elevator project, originally expected to begin in 2018 has been delayed to 2019. Needs a second comma after "2018" to terminate the parenthetical clause.
  • Done.

Exits

• All fare control areas are unstaffed, containing just full height turnstiles. The main one... It is unclear whether the main one is a fare control area or a turnstile. Clarification needed.
  • Clarified: it was the fare control. epicgenius (talk) 15:41, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
• After the IND 63rd Street Line was connected to the Queens Boulevard Line in December 2001 (a project known as the "63rd Street Connector"), Suggest removing brackets, so "December 2001, as part of a project known as the "63rd Street Connector", " or similar.
  • Done.
• In addition, there is a bourgeoning art community due to the presence of MoMA PS1 and 5 Pointz, as well as a 15,000-square-foot (1,400 m2) supermarket proposed for the area. "as well as" does not work well, when the first part refers to something that already exists, and the second is about a proposal. Suggest "In addition, there is a bourgeoning art community due to the presence of MoMA PS1 and 5 Pointz, and retail facilities may be improved as there is a proposal for a 15,000-square-foot (1,400 m2) supermarket to be constructed." or similar.
  • I separated these into 2 sentences. epicgenius (talk) 15:41, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

That is the text reviewed. I will move on to the refs next. Bob1960evens (talk) 15:21, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

References

• Ref 12(c) Award Contract For Subway Work. This does not seem to be relevant for the text it supports.
  • It is relevant. It shows that the station wasn't opened earlier because it wasn't warranted, and explains why it would be constructed. It just doesn't show the date.
• Ref 15 Queens Subway Options Study. This shows p.83– It should have a terminating page number.

 Done

• Ref 24 Review of the G Line. This is a 29-page pdf. While some of the inline refs show a page number, (f), (h), (i), (j) and (k) do not. This needs fixing, although if all refer to page 2, you could just include this in the citation.

 Done

• Ref 27 Mayor Bloomberg, Queens Borough President Marshall and Citigroup Break Ground. This links to a blank page.

 Done

• Ref 30 New Transfer at Court Square. This links to a page of current news from 2018, not the 2011 story.

 Done

• Ref 36 The Subway's Walkways Not Running Well. 36(b) supports the text "A set of escalators opposite the street stairs lead to the building's lobby." but the ref only mentions the moving walkway.

 Done

• Ref 38 NPS Focus. This goes to a search facility, and it is not obvious what to do. I tried entering "Court Square", but still not obvious.
  • It works for me. I get this:

Title:45th Road--Court House Square Station (Dual System IRT) National Register Information System ID: 05000229 Multiple Listing:New York City Subway System MPS Applicable Criteria: EVENT ARCHITECTURE/ENGINEERING Architectural Styles: BEAUX ARTS Architects: Vickers, Squire Joseph Craven, Alfred Areas Of Significance: TRANSPORTATION ARCHITECTURE ENGINEERING COMMUNITY PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SOCIAL HISTORY Periods Of Significance: 1900-1924 Significant Years: 1916 Resource Type:STRUCTURE Related Collections: National Register of Historic Places Collection Resource Format:pdf File Size (bytes):22151 Date Published:3/30/2005 Parks: National Register of Historic Places Locations: State: New York County: Queens County Queens ; Above 23rd St. bet. 44th Dr. and 45ht Rd. NEW YORK ; Queens ; Queens Rating:

Categories: Historic Asset ID:c8013228-8ca8-4ebe-a1e1-e5b3ada4d73c HIDE METADATA

• I tried "Court House Square Station" and got 26,501 results, but then spotted the "phrase" button, and finally got the same as you. Bob1960evens (talk) 17:53, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

• Ref 42 22-44 Jackson Avenue Environmental Assessment... It is not obvious that page L-6 of this 280 page pdf supports any of the text at 42(b) or 42(c).
• Ref 49 Long Island City Companies Urge Subway Station: 42(b) supports the fact that the station was not completed, but the ref states that it was finished, but just remained closed.
• Ref 50 Power Resumes Campaign To Open Ely Tube Station. 50(a) also supports the fact that the station was not completed, but the ref states that it was finished, but just remained closed.
• Ref 57 Silvercup West FEIS:10.0 Transit and Pedestrians. This is a 31-page pdf and needs page numbers.
• Ref 63 MTA Capital Program 2015-2019: This is a 239-page pdf and need page numbers.
• Ref 64 MTA 2017 Preliminary Budget July Financial Plan 2017 –2020 Volume 2. This is a 497-page pdf and need page numbers.
• Ref 65 Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) Notice of Public Hearing. This is a 151-page pdf and need page numbers.

That is the refs completed. Nearly finished. Bob1960evens (talk) 17:53, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Lead

The lead should introduce the subject and summarise the main points of the article. It is perhaps a little brief, but serves its purpose.

The formal bit

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   See comments above

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   See comments above

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Well done on an interesting article. There are a few things to sort out, but nothing too onorous, I think. I am putting the article on hold for now. Bob1960evens (talk) 23:31, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

@Bob1960evens: Epicgenius finished the last few issues.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 00:06, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Congratulations. All items have been addressed, and I am pleased to be able to award the article GA status. Keep up the good work. Bob1960evens (talk) 00:07, 31 January 2018 (UTC)