Talk:Nova music festival massacre
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Hammas should be called a terrorist group, it's not mentioned
edityes it was democratically elected but it's still a terrorist group. 147.235.194.106 (talk) 14:43, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Strongly agreed. Steven1991 (talk) 17:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- "it's still a terrorist group" Says who? Dimadick (talk) 09:14, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Agree. It is a terrorist organization and it was a terrorist attack, not a “sudden attack “ (wtf is that?) 99.196.129.196 (talk) 10:50, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
Showing victims’ faces
editIt is extremely disrespectful to show uncensored video footage of the victims of the massacre. Please censor the video or remove it. 2001:4DF7:0:89F7:2C2B:1BF2:41CA:4885 (talk) 00:12, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- I tried to collapse the video, but it didn't work well, so I reverted myself. I was hoping to just collapse the box of the video, but it ended up creating a new box above the text. If somebody else knows how to do that, give it a try. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 17:15, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think WP:NOTCENSORED/WP:DISCL applies here. - Ïvana (talk) 21:34, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- It seems that other Wikipedias have a template for hiding images (I don't know if it also works for hiding videos), but the English Wikipedia does not have such a template. To be honest, I'm not sure there is much value for such a template (in other words, I wouldn't waste my time to try to develop such a template). The Mountain of Eden (talk) 21:45, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think WP:NOTCENSORED/WP:DISCL applies here. - Ïvana (talk) 21:34, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Revert
edit@Ïvana, could you please explain your revert? Where are the NPOV issues? Thanks. HaOfa (talk) 08:19, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- A mass lead rewrite needs consensus even without taking into account the addition of WP:LOADED terms intended to push a particular POV. What exactly is wrong with the current lead? It already succinctly describes the content of the body using RS, and it has been a stable version for months. - Ïvana (talk) 21:32, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think you need to elaborate on what exactly do you find to be "WP:LOADED" and what exactly do you find to be a POV push? The Mountain of Eden (talk) 21:40, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- If your concern is about the rape allegations not being addressed (which can be fixed with a single line instead of rewriting a big chunk of the lead) I don't think the sentence
In addition to the massacre, many more were injured, and atrocities including the rape of women were committed.
is neutral at all or following WP:NPOV. It is also not a good reflection of the body of the article which says that the IDF has not verified those claims. Both things need to be mentioned. - Ïvana (talk) 21:58, 21 October 2024 (UTC)- Yes, the article says that the IDF has not verified the claims, but it doesn't say that the IDF disputed the claims. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 22:04, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- If your concern is about the rape allegations not being addressed (which can be fixed with a single line instead of rewriting a big chunk of the lead) I don't think the sentence
- I'm also unclear on what your specific concerns are. The lede you restored isn't neutral since it has no mention of sexual assaults. — xDanielx T/C\R 21:43, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- The lede I restored has been the stable version for months, I didn't unilaterally chose it. - Ïvana (talk) 21:58, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- That in itself is absolutely not an excuse to revert. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 22:00, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- It is when you're trying to unnecessarily rewrite most of it using loaded words. Again, if your main concern is that the alleged rapes are not being mentioned, a single line would suffice. For example:
Hamas also took 40 people hostage, and men and women were reportedly subject to sexual and gender-based violence
. Linking to the main article that goes into detail about this seems like the best choice. - Ïvana (talk) 22:49, 21 October 2024 (UTC)- Agree with @Ïvana that a major revision of the lede in a way that does appear to be pushing a POV is unwarranted. If an addition is to be made to include mention of rape, as it is also on the page, that should be fine, but not a major rewrite of the lede that's been the consensus for a long time. That requires consensus to be obtained for it first, and no reason has been provided for the other additions and changes.
- I went ahead and added the suggested text by Ïvana to the lede, I don't believe that's controversial.
- Raskolnikov.Rev (talk) 08:46, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- It is when you're trying to unnecessarily rewrite most of it using loaded words. Again, if your main concern is that the alleged rapes are not being mentioned, a single line would suffice. For example:
- That in itself is absolutely not an excuse to revert. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 22:00, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- The lede I restored has been the stable version for months, I didn't unilaterally chose it. - Ïvana (talk) 21:58, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think you need to elaborate on what exactly do you find to be "WP:LOADED" and what exactly do you find to be a POV push? The Mountain of Eden (talk) 21:40, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 October 2024
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Hamas is a terrorist organization. Not a militant group. Get facts straight before you provide that on Wikipedia. 50.113.64.203 (talk) 05:10, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
Not done Wikipedia uses an impartial tone to describe things as they are reported in reliable sources. "Militant group" is an accepted term, while "terrorist organization" is more contentious and should be avoided. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 06:38, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
