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Question re: a VfD

I appreciate your opinion as well measured and thoughtful and as I review the discussion at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Witkacy/Black Book I don't know really what to think. I would appreciate hearing your opinion on this issue, because as I said I respect your work as a contributor and an admin. Thanks. EdwinHJ | Talk 21:48, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

IDRIVE

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EasyTimeline

Hi Quadell, I see you took matters into your own hands after all. Great. Erik Zachte 22:43, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Arabic transliteration

Thank you for the excellent piece of insight you wrote on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Arabic) about the purpose of transliteration. I couldn't agree with you more, and I was in fact struggling to make the same point myself (but I was unable to phrase it properly). I believe you'll be an excellent asset to the Arabic project, and I sincerely hope you'll stick around. :) - ulayiti (talk) 23:50, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

RSS feed

You were asking about an RSS feed for Wikipedia Featured Articles. I've made a scraped one that's hosted on my web site at http://jeays.net/wikipedia/featured.xml which is a bit of a hack but it has worked pretty well. There are probably around 80-100 subscribers. Dze27 03:56, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

I've updated this as you suggested to include the article title in the "title" element. Good idea! Dze27 02:43, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, this is a great feed. I'm showing it in on my personal site's front page with my own special formatting. — Stevie is the man! ^{Talk | Work} 18:58, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

Re: al-Saud or as-Saud (or al-Sa'ūd as-Sa'wd or whatever)

Hello, I can not join the discussion at the moment. But I changed as-Saud to al-Saud simply because آل سعود is pronounced AL SA'OUD; the L can not be replaced by S since AL آل is a seperate word per se. -- Eagle^amn 20:57, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

DYK

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Mohammed bin Fahd bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently-created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Medicine Collaboration of the Week

Hi! You showed support for Pneumonia, this week's Medicine Collaboration of the Week. You are invited to help improve it! — Knowledge Seeker দ 09:51, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Britannica

Hi. It is great that you are adding the links EB and google to the various lists, but somehow we are losing the capitalization. Is there a way that you can restore it. Danny 11:23, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! :-) Danny 13:32, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Sciurognathi

According to ITIS [1] "Sciurognathi" is a junior synonym of Sciuromorpha Brandt 1855. I see however that "Sciurognathi" it is used in Mammal Species of the World. Can you comment? Gdr 18:21:08, 2005-08-12 (UTC)

Talk:Wall Street (Manhattan)

Could you please close the discussion and complete the move requested at Talk:Wall Street (Manhattan) ? Thank you. EdwinHJ | Talk 18:44, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

IDRIVE

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Arabic transliteration

Howdy Quadell, I've been doing a lot of work with some Arabic names from West African history lately and I'm finding myself somewhat out of my depth when it comes to figuring variants, redirects, and the naming conventions for articles. I came across your work at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Arabic) but it doesn't look like everyone's quite at consensus there yet (though maybe I'm misreading? It's very late here).

If I were to give you a few people's names, would you be able to suggest the best form for them? I'm particularly out to sea on Umar Tall and Seku Amadu, who I've found about twenty variant spellings each for, but even someone like Askia Daoud or Askia Ishaq II , I find myself wondering what spelling of Ishaq is preferable (and creating a lot of redirects in the process.

Anyway I'd be happy to hear your thoughts! Keep up the good work on that Arabic, --Dvyost 08:48, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

PS I notice you have a project of articles that could use Arabic script for their names... I'd be happy to give you some contenders for that as well...

Much obliged! Best, Dvyost 04:10, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Image Copyright

I'm pretty new here and want to get some image copyright issues straight and hope you can help me these questions (I've tried to get answers from various articles, but if I've missed the relevant one, please point me towards it):

• I want to do an article on a sculture by Bernini, Apollo and Daphne. Now this is an uncopyrighted artwork, but unlike a 2D artwork, a photo of it can have, at least some, artistic expression - is it covered by Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp?
• Does Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp have any weight outside the US? Is this a problem? If not - just to be clear - I can upload an image of any copyright-exprired painting I find on the internet as long as I attach the PD-art tag?
• Finally, is there an equivalent of 'quoting' in images? Can I, like I can with a copyrighted text, show a part (of a certain size) of an image if it is properly referenced? --Dast 23:11, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Your answers are very helpful indeed. Many thanks. --Dast 10:40, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!

Man, what a long strange trip to adminship it's been!  :) Thank you SO much for the nice note. As for closing that discussion, I will try and get to it ASAP. Fridays at work are just plain hell. Stay in touch and thanks again for trusting me with the mop. - Lucky 6.9 19:33, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

The Lancet Study

Are you once again trying to leave the confidence interval out of a report of that low quality Lancet study result? I am surprised, you were reasonable the first time around.--Silverback 21:01, August 19, 2005 (UTC)

Thanx, although I think it is POV to hype this study. Lancet sure dived into the gutter in its rush to publish this in advance of the election, it looks like it wasn't even proof read, nonetheless peer reviewed. Even if the study was serious, its publication wasn't.--Silverback 21:16, August 19, 2005 (UTC)

why does that article keep reverting to obviously false conclusions? (Question left by an anonymous user)

Like what? – Quadell ^{(talk) (sleuth)} 23:25, August 19, 2005 (UTC)

check this article

Intercession of saints me and a guy can't agree, I'm against Intercession, just for laughs! I also wonder if it needs ce? Thx for the star BTW --The Brain 20:23, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Persistant Vandal

I don't know if you've noticed, but there is a vandal that somehow is crashing your user page or filling it with images of you and a graphic image of male genitalia. I've tried to stop him/her when I can, but I don't understand how they can more or less crash your page (I have to revert from the history page since I can't even load the page, if that makes sense). I don't see the point of this kind of vandalism, you really don't seem like the type of user that would make enemies. -- MicahMN | Talk 23:33, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikivacation

Enjoy it; you deserve and need it, mate. Rob Church ^{Talk | Desk} 03:14, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

I should probably do the same. Hope to see you back soon! -- MicahMN | μ 03:24, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Elephas recki

On what basis do you say that the stuffed elephant in the lobby of the Natural History Museum in DC is an Elephas recki? I've been to that museum dozens of times, and I'm pretty sure I remember reading that that elephant is just a normal African Elephant (L. africana). If it were an E. recki, how would it even be in a state to have been taxidermed, given that the article says that they became extinct at least 1 million years ago? john k 04:32, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

I haven't been to the museum in a while, but I used to go a lot when I was a kid, and I don't remember any Elephas recki information being there back then. I seem to remember them talking about how the speciment was collected in Africa some time ago, by hunting, or whatever. It's clearly the same elephant, too. Are you sure the E. recki information was referring to the elephant in the rotunda? john k 15:38, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Very weird indeed, because I'm pretty damned sure there used to be text talking about how it was a Bull African Elephant (African Bull Elephant?). As I said, I've not been there recently, so I don't know what it says at the moment, but it's completely bizarre that they would start saying that a stuffed African Elephant is actually an elephant that became extinct millions of years ago. Perhaps we could write to the Smithsonian to inquire about this? john k 16:41, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Given the level of uncertainty, I'm also going to remove the stuff about the smithsonian elephant from the Elephas recki article, for the moment. john k 16:42, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Further, the specimen is clearly loxodonta (elephas would resemble mammoths and the extant elephas species, elephas maximus, the Asian elephant.)

Good work on Wikipedia:WikiProject Anti-war

Tanks for doing some good work on Wikipedia:WikiProject Anti-war, I wasn't sure whether to launch it and held off for ages but I am already glad I did. --JK the unwise 18:47, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Problem with an article (senless revert)

User:Lao Wai reverted an important contribution in Women in Islam#8 Domestic violence between them twain (the man and his wife), appoint (two) arbitrators, one from his family and the other from her’s; if they both wish for peace, Allah will cause their reconciliation. Indeed Allah is Ever All-Knower, Well-Acquainted with all things." Qur'an 4:35. Sura An-Nisa:35

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The head of the European Council for Fatwa and Research, although it seems that he, like many clerics, was resorting to hadith to prohibit or discourage domestic violence,amazingly failed to mention the ayat (verse)immediatley following the one allowing domestic violence which calls for arbitration: "...you fear nushûz (ill conduct), admonish them, and (then) leave them alone in the sleeping-places and (last) idribûhunna'; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great." (Qur'an 4:35) Sura An-Nisa:35 "If you fear a breach between them twain (the man and his wife), appoint (two) arbitrators, one from his family and the other from her’s; if they both wish for peace, Allah will cause their reconciliation. Indeed Allah is Ever All-Knower,Well-Acquainted with all things." (Qur'an 4:35) Sura An-Nisa:35 Is he discrediting the Qur'an that the wife can invoke her right to arbitration at any time?

How do we resolve this? he's discrediting the Qur'an!

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Also I have encountered many POV both political and religious, how can I revert a big change? Sorry to bother you but I'm new to this. thanx --The Brain 21:22, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

discrediting the Qur'an and revert rules

Muslims hold the Qur'an is more authorative than Hadith in Isnad a criterion is: Questions scholars ask about the isnad (the legitimacy of the hadith) include:

• Does the reported (hadith) tradition agree with the Qur'an? (See Isnad for a fuller account)

Some reasons for forging Hadith: Many farmers and merchants claimed they sold "Holy cures" (money). Local tradition: Female circumcision, Quote "Circumcision is Fard( فرض ) for males yet Sunnah( سنة ) for females. I read a long study stating the Muhammad never called his own teachings Sunnah and that it is a word used by clergy therfore the Hadith is forged.

So when I said discredit the Qur'an, I meant there is no doubt about its credebility like Hadith which may or may not be forged.(false)

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User:Lao Wai violates the revert rules

1. 06:23, 28 August 2005 (hist) (diff) m Women in Islam (Making it clear arbitration is meaningless) (revert #1)
2. 15:53, 28 August 2005 (hist) (diff) m Women in Islam (Unable to understand Striver's changes. Please use TalkPage?) (revert #2)
3. 04:03, 29 August 2005 (hist) (diff) Women in Islam (Removing repetition and of course it is relevant) (top) (revert #3)

• 16:08, 26 August 2005 (hist) (diff) Women in Islam (Correcting spelling, putting in the context for political power)
• 15:58, 27 August 2005 (hist) (diff) m Women in Islam (Arbitration has nothing to do with domestic violence) (revert)

Lao Wai's edits

7 Arbitration in the Qur'an Last paragraph: I agree that is what I wrote except for the bits you added. There are no grounds for divorce in Islam when it comes to domestic violence (although an Iranian court has granted one recently on those very grounds). Now Iran is a Shi'a Theocracy, and by his/her own admission a divorce was granted. BTW I still haven't learned how to revert, maybe I need some kind of permission or something.

Also User:The Brain#1 Articles I have contributed to: 1 Articles I have contributed to: are articles I contributed to heavily, did all by myself or radicaly changed like: Female circumcision + Islam. or Intercession of saints I totally rejected Intercession, and proved Female circumcision to be an African, not a Muslim custom. Just to show that I don't do JUST arabic words ;) (I don't add those to the list, it's just a word or two) Another problem is that most of the words left in

Category:Articles_needing_Arabic_script are either persian (Farsi),or Turkish I'm almost done with the Arabic words, but dn't know what to do with other laguages. Have a great day --The Brain 13:27, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Gotta get 'em all!

Hi Quadell. Wikipedia:Encarta Encyclopedia topics/19 still exists - it was made into a redirect to the now deleted Wikipedia:Encarta Encyclopedia topics/18 when the two were merged, but the page retains the original (purportedly copyvio) information in its edit history. Please delete this one as well. Cheers! -- BD2412 ^talk 15:49, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

• Thanks! -- BD2412 ^talk 21:07, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

A complaint from a third party

Request for your aid dealing with actions from a user against Religious, Spiritual and Esoteric articles they are complainig about User:Baphomet. Superstition too is full of contravorsy. I tried the User contributions in the toolbox and it returned nothing. wiki edits returned nothing. my wiki Total edits returned 1114 for example (I think I need to be decorated some more! I'm also working hard on ar:wiki. Basically in Algira provinces in both en: and ar: wiki. (same name User:The Brain) But trying to guess if this guy has a POV is not possible, the only thing I could do is a Google site search if it can be of any help [2] Had to come to you big guy! ;) --The Brain 19:00, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

one more problem

The Muslim articles are cited in many chronogical methods, BCE , BC, A.H., we need to find a way to standarize the articles, also do you know of a website or software that translate english to Arabic and vice-versa? I can in a hurry translate the entire Wikipedia entirely Arab "junior college Arabic" very fast, I lived 18 yrs in Arab coutries and stick the Arabic editors with brininging it up to "CNN"'s English.

The Brain

Hotlist

Congrats for the Hotlist! I already did a 1911 crossover. However, some names in the Hotlist seem to suffer from unicode conversion problems... --Magnus Manske 08:32, September 8, 2005 (UTC)

Sleuth

Commented out image on Saving Private Ryan. Surely this does not fall under fair use?

— <TALKJNDRLINETALK>     19:42, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Rosicrucian article

• Dear user Quadell, as I remember you where very kind once in helping moving The Rosicrucian Cosmo-Conception article (when it was closed in TEMP), and after earing again your wise words at Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts#September_4, I come now to request your support to the Rosicrucian article that I have just purposed for nomination at Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates#Rosicrucian. I request if you may give a look into it and, if you consider it acceptable, then if you may support it. Thank you! :) --GalaazV 02:01, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Saw your list of things to do, but it will take time. May I copy your words to the talk page? This way, perhaps also other insterested users may also contribute. Anyway, it has more data already than the majority of other language articles (it may appear to be less, but that's because the info related to the 'modern groups' is kept in separate articles). I was thinking to merge the 3 small "Manifesto's" articles into this one, what do you think? --GalaazV 03:22, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
    • Anyway, I am going for a weekend without net in a couple of hours: only next week will I be able to start editing the needed changes. I have send message to all users which contributed to the article and which may also probably collaborate. Almost all of the text was already there, I just gathered things around to present it in a NPOV way. But I see what I can do! :), Thanks for the aid. --GalaazV 04:37, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
      • By the way, about "How were so many greats (such as Mozart and Shakespeare) (...) Did they influence Rosicrucianism without knowing it? (...)": On the contrary, they influenced the world, without the world knowing who they were. "Were they known followers?" How do you explain to the world about things that are already not from the world? [3]. I'll try to find a solution. --GalaazV 06:03, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Rapini image

Image:Rapini.jpg is from site http://www.oceanmist.com/rapini.htm. kmorozov

Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Hot

Thank you so much for creating that! It was sad when the other lists were deleted, but this one should be able to survive. --mav 12:47, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Sue Sweeney Images

You uploaded

• Image:Black_birch_bark.jpg
• Image:European_birch_summer_leaves_and_green_cone.jpg
• Image:Gray_birch_against_gray_sky.jpg

and possibly others to Commons with a copyright notice (c) Sue Sweeney from www.inmygarden.org, mostly with no license info. Can you clarify the license situation, or they will have to be deleted. Thanks. Justinc 21:35, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification and fixing the tags. I am glad we can use them, they are nice images. Justinc 22:01, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Moscone center article deletion

I'm trying to locate info on the old Moscone center article, which you marked for deletion on March 10 of this year. I haven't seen a VfD entry for it in the first half of March, looking through VfD archives, and I'm curious as to what was in it and why it was deleted. There seem to be a lot of convention center articles out there. Any info you have would be appreciated. Georgewilliamherbert 21:56, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Science pearls

Hello,

Since you contributed in the past to the publications’ lists, I thought that you might be interested in this new project. I’ll be glad if you will continue contributing. Thanks,APH 10:39, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Hotlists

Thanks so much for putting together the hotlists, much appreciated. Have you considered uploading the rest of the missing articles?, i know you didnt want more than 500 per page, but you could put them on seperate pages such as /B2, /B3 etc. I think it would be better if all of them were uploaded. I would be happy to help if it requires much effort. thanks Martin 22:58, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Sure i'll do a few letters, are you posting them on wiki somewhere or doing it offline? Martin 14:51, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Image copyright

Hello,
Was referred to you by User:Woohookitty who said you were the person to ask about image copyrights, so here it goes. Can you tell me if putting this image on each baseball team's Wiki page is a copyright violation and did I upload it correctly? Have a good one!--CrazyTalk 01:22, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

It came from http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/exhibits/online_exhibits/dressed_to_the_nines/database.htm and then you just select what city's or team's uniform you want to view. I appreciate the help, have a good one!--CrazyTalk 19:12, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Hello,

I know you are probably busy, but I was just wondering if you had had a chance to research that image yet. I was holding back some infoboxes until that image could be resolved, so any status update would be much appreciated. Thanks for looking into it, have a good one!--CrazyTalk 19:56, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

TFD

Hi Quadell. FYI, {{fuus}} is up for deletion. Thought you might want to comment. See here: Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:Fairuseunknownsource --ChrisRuvolo (t) 12:29, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Big thanks

Hello,
Just wanted to thank you for researching the baseball uniforms images for me. I used your boilerplate text when uploading the images. If you have a chance to look at the final product, check out a team page for any MLB team in a week or two or three. Keep on keepin' on!--CrazyTalk 15:01, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Wikijunior Solar System Needs You

Danny Wool has challenged us to get Wikijunior Solar System out to hurricane evacuees by October 32005. This is going to be tough!

You expressed interest in WikiJunior. Would you be willing now to join the push to get Wikijunior Solar System completed? Come see Wikijunior Solar System!

Thanks --SV Resolution(Talk) 17:52, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Images by User:Dmsar

Hello, I saw you tagged some images uploaded by User:Dmsar in 2003. According to the new image policy, most untagged images will be deleted, so if you want to save the images uploaded by Dmsar, you should start soon.... Fred-Chess 20:47, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

From Lauren

Michael,

It's Lauren from Rawlings. I edited your userpage and it was detected in something like 1.7 seconds. How do you guys do it??? Weird. Anyways. Sorry if I'm not supposed to be editing this page but I don't know how else to leave you a msg. Hope life at the commune is fun! You can email me if you want. It's lf**** [at] wm (dot) edu where the "****" are my last name. You should know it. ;) Also - I looked up the entry I vandalized this summer and it is STILL undetected. Come on, guys. Get on the ball here.

Wait, Quadell actually knows a human girl? This has got to be a joke...

Requested reports for cleanup help

Greetings, Topbanana. I've been doing miscellaneous cleanup work on high-value, low-traffic articles about historic but non-controversial figures. (These articles are prone to have blatant errors uncorrected for long periods of time.) There are two problems that I find are very common, and I thought that a report might be useful to help find them.

1. Often the year of birth will not match the category for birth year, or the year of death will not match the category for death year. This is often because a vandal will alter the birth year, but it sometimes occurs when someone fixes an error in one place but not in other. Could a report be created to list these? I suppose it would look for a "[[xxxx]]" after a "(" but before a "-" or "&ndash;" in the first sentence, that doesn't match a "[[Category:yyyy births]]" somewhere else in the article. And something similar for death years.
2. Often an alias for a person's name will not be a redirect to that article. For instance, the article might start "'''John Doe''' ([[1920]] - [[1999]]), also known as '''John Doh''',. . .", but John Doh might be a red link (or might point to an wholly unrelated article). In other cases, the article may be John Doe, but the article may start "'''John Douglas Doe'''. . .", and the full name may not be a redirect to the article. A report would be helpful in finding these. I suppose it would look for "'''" marks around a phrase that is not the article name and either doesn't have an associated article, or has an article that doesn't link to the page in question.

Are these feasible? Thanks in advance. – Quadell ^(talk) 13:50, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Hey, Quadell. The above search is probably a bit too fiddly to generate easily. However, might I suggest a simpler and probably as effective report; a list of articles which link to [[Category:yyyy births]], but don't link (anywhere) to [[yyyy]] ? While this might miss some permuations of vandalised dates, it may be just as effective. I'll try and rustle this up in the next few weeks to see how useful it is. - TB 07:48, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Al Ain

I failed to notice this when looking at edits, but have moved Al Ain back to Al Ain rather than Al-Ain. I noticed you made the last name change so I thought I'd let you know. See the talk page there for the reason. Marskell 00:53, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Image_sleuthing#Image:FierceSnake_Olive.jpg

Can you take a quick look at this? - Mgm|^(talk) 20:31, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!

A big thank you for your help and support, I look forward to meeting you in more productive contexts, Yours, Trollderella 23:53, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!

A big thank you for your help and support, I look forward to meeting you in more productive contexts, Yours, Trollderella 23:53, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Pune

Thank you for your contribution at Pune. Please keep it up!!! - P R A D E E P Somani (talk) Feel free to send me e-mail.

keen eyes on Missing encyclopedic articles/Hot/U

Well spotted, ULS server was a redirect to a non-page! I decided a server implementing this rather obscure and defunct protocol probably could never generate an encylopedic article by itself so I started an article on the protocol (at User Location Service) and mentioned the server there. I got a bit carried away with my inspiration and did the redirect first. It's all tidied up now, I promise! Cheers, akaDruid 14:30, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

for your congratulations... it is fortunate that you cannot be banned for making dreafully hARBle puns! (I haven't yet decided if I will run in December.) Mindspillage (spill yours?) 17:27, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Bird Images copyright tags

You have been tagging a whole slew of bird illustrations with {{unknown}} tags, despite the fact that many of them have links to their actual source, which, in all cases I have seen so far, is well before 1923, making them eligible for the {{PD-US}} tag. I know that tagging the no source images is important, but it is also important that we not delete images needlessly, or create extra work for each other. Also, I thought that it was understood that editors working on the no source images would contact the uploaders, when possible. All of these images were uploaded by a very active editor User:Jimfbleak, who, so far as I can see, has not been contacted. Please, don't lose sight of the whole picture while working at this task!

TIA, Mwanner | Talk 23:34, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, sorry, I can see that now. I was assuming this was all recent since the images are supposed to be deleted within a few days, but these go back to January, and many/most of the tags are from another user. Sorry for the cranky post! -- Mwanner | Talk 02:04, 15 October 2005 (UTC)