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Hello, Suriname0! I'm Patrice, a representative of Laureate Education. I've been working with editors to make improvements to the Laureate Education article, where I've disclosed my conflict of interest and have been suggesting edits for volunteer editors to review and implement on my behalf. At the moment, I am seeking an editor to review a draft rewrite I prepared of the article's Corporate history section. As it currently stands, I feel the article has some issues with WP:RECENTISM and WP:UNDUE. I saw that you made edits to the article back in April, and hoped you might be willing to review my draft. If so, you can find a link to it in my latest request on the Laureate Education Talk page. Thank you for your time and consideration. PMV1111 (talk) 08:24, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Apologies, but I don't have the bandwidth or expertise to address your edit request! Best of luck trying to find an editor to look at it, I am sympathetic to how slow that process can be. Suriname0 (talk) 18:44, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

@Suriname0: No worries! Thank you for letting me know. Cheers, PMV1111 (talk) 07:52, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

PMV1111, I'll take a look at it; it is in my field. DGG ( talk ) 21:15, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

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Whilst we are thankful for your contributions, (I was going to correct you yesterday but I forgot) if I’m not mistaken(it might have not been you) but if it’s you, you made a comment in an AFD initiated by DGG which indirectly implied you presumed DGG didn’t perform a before search, whilst Its no rule AFAIK, perhaps just good ol’ etiquette, it comes off as rather rude to imply a sysop or any editor who bares the NPP emblem did not perform a before search. If you remain underwhelmed by the works of sysops and new page reviewers, you are more than welcome to RFA here or in the very least attend NPP academy and apply here for NPR rights and let’s see if you can pass the former or be granted the latter. Yeah so that’s that. Celestina007 (talk) 19:16, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your note Celestina007; apologies if my question sounded as though it was questioning the depth of the nominator's WP:BEFORE. When an AfD isn't obvious and the nomination doesn't include sources, I find it's useful to ask for the nominator's thoughts on the sources they looked at because it often clarifies the discussion and helps the collaborative process of AfD. For example, it worked well at this AfD. I'll consider ways to phrase the question that sound more friendly and don't accidentally imply the nominator didn't do full diligence during WP:BEFORE, which is always a time-intensive process! Suriname0 (talk) 19:32, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification, I should also state that I owe you an apology, my tone at the latter part of my message was intentionally snarky, for which I’m sorry for, it is unbecoming of one as old as I am. Celestina007 (talk) 19:42, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

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I didn't even realize it was a bot! Thanks for updating your script. I do wonder why infobox animal handles nationality differently than other templates with a nationality parameter. Suriname0 (talk) 05:37, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

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Please do not add {{citation needed}} tags for claims pertaining to the plot points of fictional works. The works are themselves already the most reliable possible sources for their own plot points. Such a tag might be appropriate, however, for analytic, evaluative, interpretive, or synthetic claims about the content; such judgment about the work would need reliable independent sources.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:38, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, the material I tagged is making a claim "pertaining to the plot points of fictional works", as you say. "The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution" (WP:VERIFY). Therefore, a citation is required (I am challenging the material) and the tagging is appropriate. Thanks! Suriname0 (talk) 02:38, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Nope. You are fundamentally misunderstanding the policy. The fictional work IS THE SOURCE for its own fictional content. It is physically impossible for any source to be a better source for what a fictional work contains than the fictional work itself. If you want to verify the material, you already have been provided with the sources to check, namely watch the matierials already cited: the films Le Cercle Rouge (1970), The Hustler (1961), Deadfall (1993), and Vivre sa vie (1962), and the television shows The Rifleman S4E10 (1961), Navillra S1E3 (2021), and Outlander S6E1 (2014). If you really want to, you can build up rather reundant citation templates to cite each of these works, but no one is obligated to do that work for you, and someone might even remove them later as unnecessary clutter.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  02:46, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

I disagree that citation templates are redundant clutter: they contain more information, such as metadata that can be improved over time. Fundamentally, WP:V is policy, and is quite clear: "it is satisfied by providing an inline citation". If you want to remove the tag, you should feel free to create inline citations that you feel source the relevant claim(s). Suriname0 (talk) 04:52, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

For future reference, discussion continued here: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#CN_tagging_fiction_for_citations_for_basic_plot_points_in_the_fiction Suriname0 (talk) 15:25, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

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I withdrew the bundled canoeists AfD and re-opened Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manaka Kubota and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Teruko Kiriake, just notifying you and the other !voters in the prior AfD. ☆ Bri (talk) 16:46, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks for adding sources to Draft:Minneapolis_Public_Housing_Authority. I understand you don't guarantee notability, but I feel like you're an island of civility and help in a sea of Wikipedia hostility. dfrankow (talk) 16:08, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

No problem, Wikipedia can definitely feel impersonal! Writing about an organization (like the MPHA) on Wikipedia is challenging, because the requirements for organizations are more stringent than for people or other topics (see WP:NORG for more info). Suriname0 (talk) 20:17, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

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