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Martial arts

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2025 in Konfrontacja Sztuk Walki

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2025 in Konfrontacja Sztuk Walki (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Contested draftification. Not very well sourced, and a WP:BEFORE search returns little. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 22:25, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sulaiman Ismail

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Sulaiman Ismail (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No notable career achievements that can be verified. News coverage is nonexistent. He is the brother of Rocket Ismail, however per WP:BLPRELATED, that is irrelevant. 162 etc. (talk) 22:05, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, he received a "bloody beating" according to that 1997 article. According to boxrec.com he lost both of his pro boxing fights. That coverage was essentially a report in a Syracuse paper on a bottom of the card fight in Syracuse. Otherwise, all of the other sources are from two Wilkes-Barre papers where he lived. None of which appear to be notable coverage, plus multiple references from the same source count as 1 source (at most). Competing in amateur MMA fights has never shown WP notability. Still not seeing WP:GNG, or any SNG, being met. Papaursa (talk) 22:45, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Whether you think that his accomplishments are insignificant is irrelevant; whether he meets the MMA SNG is also irrelevant – the only factor that goes into determining notability at this point is whether the coverage is significant. That's it. GNG makes no mention of "exceptions" on if the coverage is for MMA fights – the only thing that matters is if there's "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Feature stories like this are clearly SIGCOV and being local is irrelevant (not to mention there was other articles I didn't list, including a few stories from Texas). He meets GNG – he's notable. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:08, 12 November 2024 (UTC)\[reply]
There are millions of articles on people in small town papers who aspire to be professional singers, athletes, actors, etc. Even though they never succeed, you're claiming that coverage is sufficient to show WP notability? Or are you influenced because he has notable brothers (which should have no impact on his notability)? I never claimed MMA notability was required, but some kind of achievement is, or at least coverage that is more significant than millions of others in the world have received. Papaursa (talk) 21:02, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are millions of articles on people in small town papers ... you're claiming that coverage is sufficient to show WP notability? According to WP:GNG, significant coverage is sufficient. The notability guidelines mention nothing of excluding coverage for accomplishments if one (arbitrarily) deems them as insignificant. Additionally, I don't think that there's "millions" of people who "never succeed in their aspirations" who receive feature stories in moderately large newspapers in several states across the U.S. (Texas, Pennsylvania, New York, etc.) BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:23, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Passes GNG. The first few of BeanieFan11's sources look like they're from high school but the others look okay. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:45, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Passes WP:SIGCOV based on the sources provided by Beanie. There’s sufficiently detailed press coverage across time to meet our general notability guidelines. SNGs like the one on MMA are only one pathway to notability, and those guidelines are not meant to replace and subvert GNG. Also, any article meeting GNG in athletics will meet WP:SPORTSBASIC which this article does.4meter4 (talk) 16:15, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cheerio, Mattdaviesfsic. About me; Talk to me. Farewell fellow editor... 00:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete The sources are problematic. The 'Times Leader' is the 'Wilkes-Barre Pennsylvania Times Leader', a local newspaper. Similarly The Citizen of Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania. The Syracuse Post Standard is similarly not the New York Times. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Suggesting the sources are "problematic" because several are local is not supported by any policy. Furthermore, suggesting that one needs to have coverage in The New York Times to be notable is also ridiculous. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:36, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: The sources provided by BeanieFan11 contain the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG as they each contain multiple sentences of independent coverage. We don't need every subject to be covered by the NYT to have an article about them. Let'srun (talk) 04:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Cane as a Weapon

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The Cane as a Weapon (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Neither the book nor the author appear notable. This is a book summary. ZimZalaBim talk 02:42, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The ASCE website says it has over 150,000 members so it doesn't appear very exclusive. I have no idea how impressive it was to be a member over 100 years ago. Papaursa (talk) 21:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was afraid that would be the case, but wanted to ask. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 15:18, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Huh. There was a very strong, promising start but I can't really find anything else. I get the feeling that there's probably more out there, just tucked away in various archives and not indexed in any substantial way on the internet. At the same time, I don't really have a ton of proof to back that up, other than the NYT source and a handful of other things, much of which are put out by organizations associated with Cunningham.
    So unless someone can provide sourcing, I'm leaning towards a delete. I don't want to make an official judgement call on my end because I'm admittedly hoping someone will find something. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 14:24, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I found a review of the book in the Saskatoon Daily Star, Feb 1913. Does that help? Toughpigs (talk) 17:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Every bit helps! I'd like a little more ideally before I'd be super comfortable arguing for a keep, but this is a good step in the right direction! ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 15:17, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Saskatoon + NYT are ok. I also found this from the Newark Advocate. The Army and Navy Register bit seems ok. Found an article on NewspaperArchive (NewspaperArchive is kind of annoying so they're hard to read but you can if you use the resource and zoom in), clipped here [1]. Could maybe be better focused as an article on the author, but no strong feelings. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. This is an interesting discussion and you all have uncovered some interesting sources. But we still have to have some arguments for a particular outcome. But y'all have another week to consider where you stand on this article or whether you might refocus it to be about the author.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:38, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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