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:I'm not quite sure what your request is. [[User:Benwing2|Benwing2]] ([[User talk:Benwing2|talk]]) 20:49, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::my request is to make the “disable default styles” work properly in chrome. (because currently it disregards wiktionary styles in favor of chromium styles. the ideal behavior would be to use neither.) [[User:БудетЛучше|БудетЛучше]] ([[User talk:БудетЛучше|talk]]) 10:36, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
:A fix (but a bad one):
:<syntaxhighlight lang="css">* {
-webkit-locale: "";
}</syntaxhighlight> [[User:БудетЛучше|БудетЛучше]] ([[User talk:БудетЛучше|talk]]) 11:17, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
== Module is not recognized as such ==
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:::::::::Agreed that on a technical level, it should be possible, but there's a difference between the definitional entries, which are the basic core of a dictionary versus illustrative quotations or other secondary material. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 20:22, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::::: We can also show and hide translations. ''[[User:Donnanz|DonnanZ]] ([[User talk:Donnanz|talk]]) 15:13, 6 November 2024 (UTC)''
:::::::::"Or other secondary material", yes. It's not the primary function of a dictionary to give translations into other languages, but it is the primary function to define words. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 02:52, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::It could be argued that it's not a primary function to list quotes either, but we do and I have added loads over the years. Similarly with an excess of places with the same name, which probably won't interest every user. I have employed a few hide/show lists on my user page, including a US counties index. Do you remember deleting that? Feel free to browse it. ''[[User:Donnanz|DonnanZ]] ([[User talk:Donnanz|talk]]) 11:44, 8 November 2024 (UTC)''
:::::::::::I do. I don't see how it's germane here. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 11:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::It is germane, as you put it, as my index employs hide/show. ''[[User:Donnanz|DonnanZ]] ([[User talk:Donnanz|talk]]) 12:09, 8 November 2024 (UTC)''
::::::::::::If it was included in mainspace, I could remove it from my user page {{ping|Benwing2}}. ''[[User:Donnanz|DonnanZ]] ([[User talk:Donnanz|talk]]) 19:08, 8 November 2024 (UTC)''
:::::::::::::If others think that definitional entries should be hidden by default or in collapsible boxes, then I will support that as a consensus. I find it unlikely that others will think that is a good idea. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 12:10, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I would like to hear from other editors, especially template editors. ''[[User:Donnanz|DonnanZ]] ([[User talk:Donnanz|talk]]) 13:59, 8 November 2024 (UTC)''
== im trying to add a new definition for an abbreviation seen as offensive ==
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A problem with precise links <code><nowiki>{{l|table|fr}}</nowiki></code> [[table#French]] is that we lose visibility of the ''See also'' line on top. Could this line become fixed? Thank you ‑‑[[User:Sarri.greek|Sarri.greek]] <sup>[[User talk:Sarri.greek|♫]]</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Sarri.greek|I]] 10:46, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
:My understanding is that the purpose of {{tl|also}} is to help people who search for entries using the search box. Direct links using {{tl|l}} should already point to the right entry, so there's no need for the {{tl|also}}. What use case are you thinking of, {{u|Sarri.greek}}? [[User:This, that and the other|This, that and the other]] ([[User talk:This, that and the other|talk]]) 03:48, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
:: It has variaties (with accents etc) as in French, Greek, other. e.g. [[amo#Latin]], [[ἁμαρτάνω#Ancient_Greek]]. Of course, one can scroll up and find them. Thank you M {{ping|This, that and the other}}. For a little moment, I can see it (desktop view), and then the text moves to its target. I thought it might be sticky, but then, if one does not need it, it might be irritating. ‑‑[[User:Sarri.greek|Sarri.greek]] <sup>[[User talk:Sarri.greek|♫]]</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Sarri.greek|I]] 06:21, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
== Hiragana not displaying properly ==
I have started experiencing problems viewing hiragana in various places, for example, in translation tables and in usernames. All I see is a glyph consisting of a circle inside a square. Is anyone else experiencing this issue? I am using Mozilla Firefox 131.0.3. — [[User:Sgconlaw|Sgconlaw]] ([[User talk:Sgconlaw|talk]]) 22:31, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
Updating to 132.0.1 seems to have solved the issue. — [[User:Sgconlaw|Sgconlaw]] ([[User talk:Sgconlaw|talk]]) 22:58, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
== en-adv template: further, farther ==
I just saw someone add "further" to the adverb template at {{m|en|apart}}, so now it says "more or further". What about "farther"? When you can say "further/est" you can ''always'' say "farther/est", so the template should show both. [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C5:FE1C:3701:F4E8:32FB:F63A:C6A4|2A00:23C5:FE1C:3701:F4E8:32FB:F63A:C6A4]] 11:37, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
== Problems with <t:{{w|}}> ==
A problem with <t:{{w|}}> that is included in quote templates for translations of authors' names. The example from [[двустволка]]: #* {{quote-book|ru|year=1885|author=s:ru:Антон Чехов<t:{{w|Anton Chekhov}}>|title=s:ru:[[Егерь (Чехов)|Егерь]]|chapter=|location=|publisher=|newversion=English translation from|translator2=w:en:Constance Garnett|title2=s:en:[[The Witch and Other Stories/The Huntsman|The Huntsman]]|location2=|publisher2=|year2=1918|page2=|pageurl2=
|text=|t=}}.
The translation of the name not visible although <t:{{w|Anton Chekhov}}> included in this quote-book. Now the name translations are gone in all ru quote-books. [[User:К.Артём.1|К.Артём.1]] ([[User talk:К.Артём.1|talk]]) 19:20, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
== rsk-IPA module ==
Can someone fix the issues with rsk-IPA? Namely,
# Voiced consonants not getting devoiced appropriately when followed by unvoiced consonants, e.g. {{m|rsk|вшадзи}} should be [ˈfʃad͡zi] not [ˈvʃad͡zi], and {{m|rsk|гевтот}} should be [ˈɦɛftɔt] not [ˈɦɛvtɔt], as seen in the rhyming.
# Affricates not being fully devoiced when word-end, e.g. {{m|rsk|будз}} should have the same IPA as {{m|rsk|буц}} that is [but͡s].
[[User:Insaneguy1083|Insaneguy1083]] ([[User talk:Insaneguy1083|talk]]) 13:19, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
== Adapted borrowing categories ==
This isn't specific to any one language, but I've noticed that for whatever reason, when I do <nowiki>{{af|...|type=adap}}</nowiki>, it only creates a specific category for that specific language's adapted borrowings, rather than also having a category for say Language A words derived from Language B, like you would have with <nowiki>{{bor}}</nowiki>. Is that intentional? If not, are there plans to fix that? [[User:Insaneguy1083|Insaneguy1083]] ([[User talk:Insaneguy1083|talk]]) 13:25, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
== Tech News: 2024-46 ==
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'''Updates for editors'''
* On wikis with the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:Translate|Translate extension]] enabled, users will notice that the FuzzyBot will now automatically create translated versions of categories used on translated pages. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285463]
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== Protection of User:Red link example ==
I have created [[User:Red link example]] ([https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat&diff=prev&oldid=27739306 confirmation]) for use in documentation and testing.
The account is already globally locked, so cannot be used for editing.
It is vital that the user and talk pages are not created. Can an admin kindly protect them both, permanently, with an edit summary noting that they are "for use in documentation and testing"? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 18:46, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]] Done, as requested, but could you please give us a little more detail on why this needs to be done on the English Wiktionary specifically? Thanks. [[User:Theknightwho|Theknightwho]] ([[User talk:Theknightwho|talk]]) 20:03, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you.
:: It doesn't need to be done here ''specifically''; it needs to be done everywhere, generally. I'm starting with the multi-lingual and en. projects. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 21:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
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