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Hi y'<!-- --->all! I was thinking of reforming the interface administrator role into something more suited as a "basic level adminning" role. This would mean '''letting interface operators edit full-protected pages'''. I think that implementing such a thing would be of great use to many of our users, including ones highly active with reskinning (e.g. Zombiebaron), ones highly active with templating (e.g. Zana Dark), and ones highly active with tinkering with the site in general (e.g. JJPMaster). Currently, interface operator status basically means nothing since it only allows you to edit common.js and common.css, as well as other peoples' CSS and JS pages; these are already full-protected so it's kind of nonsensical to keep interface admin in its current state. Please let me know whatcha think! 

I've also added a secondary vote concerning whether interface operators should be able to protect and unprotect pages. {{User:Cassie/s|17:44, 1 April 2021 (UTC)}}

I've also added a tertiary vote concerning deleting and undeleting articles. It's ''interface'' stuff after all! Maybe we could rename interface operator to more like "text operator". {{User:Cassie/s|23:37, 1 April 2021 (UTC)}}

==Vote (edit full protected pages)==
{{atop|Already implemented by {{u|Lyrithya}}. {{User:JJPMaster/newsig}} 23:36, 9 April 2021 (UTC)}}
{{s|9}} ('''8 at the time of implementation''')
*{{For}} as proposal initiator. {{User:Cassie/s|09:28, 1 April 2021 (UTC)}}
*{{For}} If JJPMaster can't be admin, giving him interface admin would be great! {{User: Gale5050/sig2}} 12:23, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
*{{For}} {{User:MrX/sig}} 14:06, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
*'''For''' -- {{User:Zombiebaron/sig}} 14:59, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
*{{For}} Sounds good to me. {{User:PF4Eva/sig}} 15:12, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
*{{For}}  --{{User:Rooomy/sig}} 17:25, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
*{{For}} It seems like this one is obvious. {{User:Zana Dark/sig}} <span style="color:gray; font-size:9px;">23:36, 1 April 2021</span>
*'''For''' {{User:Y/|2021-04-04T04:59:45+00:00}}
*For {{User:Shabidoo/sig}} 22:35, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
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:{{ping|MrX}} Any way you can ''maybe'' explain why you reverted ''my'' closures and leaving this one intact? -{{User: Gale5050/sig2}} 23:58, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
::{{ping|Gale5050}} A. I didn’t see this one until just now. B. I’m not wild about JJP “closing” this, it’s not really something we do here. But if Lyrithya did in fact implement this, then it ''is'' over, and any additional vote would be meaningless. The things I recently saw you close were a joke vote which is by no means over (there’s no timetable there) and a few comments on Cassie’s protection request page. People can still add to that if they want, or Cassie can close/archive it if they want. Your closures were completely pointless and disruptive. JJP’s closure was ''pretty'' pointless but does have a ''little'' benefit. {{User:MrX/sig}} 02:32, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
:::FYI, Lyrithya did indeed implement this, as seen at [[Special:ListGroupRights#interface-admin]]. {{User:JJPMaster/newsig}} 12:09, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
:::: So what you're saying is that this was a bad, but not terrible closure. However I will note [[PFP]] is open on previously featured pictures so while any additional vote would ''probably'' be pointless, if the vote rapidly turns the other way it could change something. Lyrithrya can always uninstall something if the people don't want it, so I still say it should be undone, but with a comment saying already implemented. -{{User: Gale5050/sig2}} 12:31, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
:::: I still object to this closure and still believe it should be re-opened, albeit with a comment that it was already implemented. This '''can''' be undone. As such, this discussion is not over.  -{{User: Gale5050/sig2}} 17:22, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

==Vote (protect/unprotect pages)==
{{atop|Done by Lyrithrya.[[User: Gale5050|Gale'''5050''']] [[Special: Contributions/Gale5050|aka Andrew5]] [[User talk: Gale5050|let's talk!]] <small> [[wp: Special: Contributions/Gale5050|See me on WP! <small>Do not click before August </small>]] </small> 20:28, 30 April 2021 (UTC)}}
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*{{for}} as initiator. {{User:Cassie/s|17:44, 1 April 2021 (UTC)}}
*{{against}} ''That's'' a bit overpowered. I'm fine with themediting full protected pages, but no more then that. {{User: Gale5050/sig2}} 17:55, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
*{{for|Strong for}}, but not so that we can actually ''protect'' pages, but because having the <code>protect</code> right allows us to edit pages that are protected under [[w:WP:CASCADE|cascading protection]], such as {{tl|editnotice load/content}}. {{User:JJPMaster/newsig}} 17:58, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
*:I still don't think you should be editing any cascade protected pages and to my knowledge, the Main Page is the only one. {{User: Gale5050/sig2}} 18:03, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
*::A few others include {{tlu|MediaWiki:Protectedpagetext}}, {{tlu|MediaWiki:Common.js}}, {{tl|Editnotice load}}, and one of Aimsplode's signature templates for some reason. {{User:JJPMaster/newsig}} 18:06, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
*:::IMO Aimsplode's sig should remain that way or be deleted. Deny recognition. {{User: Gale5050/sig2}} 18:15, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
*{{For}} I'm not sure the ability to protect and unprotect pages is 'powerful,' but it is something that users would be seeking from an admin, and if contacted, it would make things easier for said admin. There is not much you can do on this website that can't be undone. {{User:Zana Dark/sig}} <span style="color:gray; font-size:9px;">23:34, 1 April 2021</span>
*: Yes, but Cassie only being on twice a day is a problem if we grant too much power. -{{User: Gale5050/sig2}} 01:30, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
*{{For}} {{User:MrX/sig}} 04:21, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
*'''Against''' {{User:Y/|2021-04-04T04:59:45+00:00}}
*: I'm wondering if we should have the score as it is, or if we should do a think where it displays for/against like VFH, as I am wondering if it would need more then 50%. Not saying it will, but might. This is 4-2.  I am {{for|for}} changing the score like that, it's more realistic. -{{User: Gale5050/sig2}} 23:49, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
*'''Against''' -- {{User:Zombiebaron/sig}} 14:09, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
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==Delete and undelete pages==
{{atop|Not done, see [https://en.uncyclopedia.co/w/index.php?title=Forum%3AInterface_operator_reform&type=revision&diff=6058946&oldid=6053625 this] for more info. -[[User: Gale5050|Gale'''5050''']] [[Special: Contributions/Gale5050|aka Andrew5]] [[User talk: Gale5050|let's talk!]] <small> [[wp: Special: Contributions/Gale5050|See me on WP! <small>Do not click before August </small>]] </small> 20:29, 30 April 2021 (UTC)}}
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*{{For}} as initiator. This would be of especially high relevance for users such as [[User:JJPMaster]] and [[User:Zana Dark]], who have demonstrated a high need to often process large numbers of pages, creating and [[QVFD]]ing them quite often. As such, bundling deletion and undeletion /w interface admin would be a great way to basically make interface admin the "edit-whatever-you-want" user right. {{User:Cassie/s|23:37, 1 April 2021 (UTC)}}
*{{for}} This will hopefully make Zana stop accidentally nominating special pages for QVFD. {{User:JJPMaster/newsig}} 23:44, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
*{{Against|Extremely extremely strong against}} Can we stop giving non admins so much power? Seriously. {{User: Gale5050/sig2}} 00:08, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
*:It's called interface '''admin''' for a reason. That's why this userrole requires VFS. {{User:Cassie/s|00:10, 2 April 2021 (UTC)}}
*::Even still, if we make it too overpowered, then there will be no point in admin! Still '''against''' and not budging. -{{User: Gale5050/sig2}} 00:17, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
*{{For}} {{User:MrX/sig}} 04:21, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
*: Why am I always on the losing side? -{{User: Gale5050/sig2}} 13:28, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
*::{{celeste|thinkeline}} {{User:Cassie/s|18:28, 2 April 2021 (UTC)}}
*{{Y}} Cassie is not the only admin that can undo mistakes. 'Undeletion' is the key note. {{User:Zana Dark/sig}} <span style="color:gray; font-size:9px;">22:06, 2 April 2021</span>
*:Yes, but other "active" admins like PF4Eva and Kakun aren't that active. Though both have stopped LSD #11. -{{User: Gale5050/sig2}} 00:00, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
*'''Against''' {{User:Y/|2021-04-04T04:59:45+00:00}}
*: I'm wondering if we should have the score as it is, or if we should do a think where it displays for/against like VFH, as I am wondering if it would need more then 50%. Not saying it will, but might. This is 4-2. I am {{for|for}} changing the score like that; it's more realistic.  -{{User: Gale5050/sig2}} 23:49, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
*'''Against''' -- {{User:Zombiebaron/sig}} 14:09, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
* '''Against.''' Not doing this one, because... I don't feel like it. Did the others though. -— [[User:Lyrithya|Lyrithya]] [[User talk:Lyrithya|༆]] 20:05, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

=== Does deletion even count as interface stuff? ===
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*{{Against}} Nah, just as much as blocking is. Protecting pages could reasonably work as interface stuff but not deletion, which isn’t even interface stuff. -{{User: Gale5050/sig2}} 13:53, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
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