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== Remove link from image, for accessibility ==

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As per [[WP:ALT]], for use by visually impaired readers the image in this template should either have [[alt text]], or it should not link to another resource. Since the image is purely decorative, it's better if the image does not link to another resource (see ''[[WP:ALT #When to specify]]''). To do this, please add "|link=" (with no argument) to the image syntax. I did this in the [[Template:Portal/sandbox|sandbox]] and checked it with the [[Template:Portal/testcases|testcases]]. You can check [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Portal/sandbox&diff=301157873&oldid=277614892 the sandbox diff]. Thanks. [[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 09:20, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
:It's my understanding that linking to image description pages is our standard means of attributing images to their contributors, as is required by many copyleft licenses including our own GFDL and cc-by-sa. That being the case, removing such links seems likely to introduce copyright violations. I'm unsure of how best to resolve these apparently conflicting needs; has this been discussed in a more general forum, previously? &ndash; <span style="font-family: Garamond">[[User:Luna Santin|<span style="color:#1E90FF;">'''Luna Santin'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Luna Santin|talk]])</span> 21:53, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
::See [[Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)#Stubs icons and accessibility]] for a discussion on using <code>alt=</code>. I have nulled the editprotected until there is some discussion. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 22:23, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
::: [[WP:C]] suggests [[WP:MCQ]] as a good place to ask copyright questions like this, so I've followed up by creating a new section ''[[WP:MCQ #W3C accessibility guidelines and image copyright notices]]'' there, which covers this question at some (perhaps too much) length. Further comments there (or here) are welcome. [[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 01:07, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Actually, I am very impressed. I've just started to edit [[WP:ALT]], and some templates are already being changed, people are discussing and reconsidering things. How lively, I really like it. :-) Thanks to you, Eubulides.
::::Please take a look at [[Wikipedia talk:Alternative text for images#Graphic credits]]. [[User:Dodoïste|Dodoïste]] ([[User talk:Dodoïste|talk]]) 02:25, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Further discussion on the abovementioned threads shows that "<code>|link=</code>" is fine for public-domain images, and that "<code>|alt=''Alt text''</code>" is required by [[WP:ALT]] for images that have links. Since some portals use public-domain images and others do not, we can give callers of this template the option by supporting "|alt=" and "|link=" so that callers can use the best approach for their particular portal. <s>I have implemented this with [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3APortal%2Fsandbox&diff=301581854&oldid=277614892 this change] to the sandbox, have tested it with the testcases, and suggest installing it.</s> [[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 20:20, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

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: Further testing found some problems with the approach mentioned in my previous comment, and I developed a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3APortal%2Fsandbox&diff=302741468&oldid=302735044 better patch], which uses a public-domain image by default, so that it does not require a link. Any further comments? [[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 09:16, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
:: No further comment, so I added a {{tl|editprotected}} request. Please install the better patch. [[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 22:38, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:::{{done}} Let me know if there are any problems. [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] ([[User talk:Plastikspork|talk]]) 01:42, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
::::I've just undone this. Most of these images need atttribution so I don't think it is right to unlink them by default (although I have no problem about allowing them to be unlinked on a case-by-case basis). I note that even the default image [[:File:Portal.svg]] seems not to be public domain. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 09:36, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
::::: When that patch was made, the icon it used (''[[:File:Portal icon.svg]]'') was public domain. Unfortunately, it's no longer public-domain. To fix this problem, I generated a new puzzle icon ''[[:File:Portal-puzzle.svg]]'' from scratch, which is public domain; also, this new icon is tuned for the aspect ratio used in this template, so it's a tad better in that respect. The patch does allow case-by-case basis unlinking: that's what the {{para|alt}} and {{para|link}} parameters are for (these are documented). Any icon that has alt text is linked by default; if an icon doesn't have alt text it is violating the [[WP:ACCESSIBILITY]] guidelines and it needs to be fixed anyway. Please install the {{diff|Template:Portal/sandbox|323926277|323925787|revised patch}}, which uses this new icon and addresses the concerns raised in the previous comment. Without the patch, all icons generated by this template have accessibility problems; that's not good. [[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 18:02, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

:[[:File:Portal-puzzle.svg]] [[File:Portal-puzzle.svg|25x25px]] is not public domain. As you yourself state it is a derivative work of [[:File:Portal icon.svg]] / [[:File:Portal.svg]] [[File:Portal.svg|25x25px]]. Problem is that [[:File:Portal.svg]] uses the GFDL license (and some other similar licenses), so your image should also have such a license. Thus your image may not be released as public domain. And your image fails to attribute [[commons:User:Pepetps]] who made [[:File:Portal.svg]].
:--[[User:Davidgothberg|David Göthberg]] ([[User talk:Davidgothberg|talk]]) 00:08, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
:: I did not state that [[:File:Portal-puzzle.svg]] is a derivative work, and it is not a derivative work in the sense of copyright law. One cannot use copyright law to prevent anyone else from making a blue puzzle piece with a keyhole. Please follow up this discussion at ''[[commons:File talk:Portal-puzzle.svg]]''. [[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 00:49, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

:::You even use the same shading, so it is very much a derivative work. The least you must do is to attribute the person who created that design. Anything else is rude. You removed attribution and the copyright-problem-tag I put on that image. Since you are the uploader of that image you should not remove that tag, but instead wait for the admins at Commons to investigate and decide what should be done with the image. We already know you couldn't care less about copyright and attribution. And now you have also shown that you couldn't care less about procedures and rules here at Wikipedia and Commons. 
:::--[[User:Davidgothberg|David Göthberg]] ([[User talk:Davidgothberg|talk]]) 02:00, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
:::: Much of the previous comment is incorrect. I have followed up at ''[[commons:File talk:Portal-puzzle.svg]]'', which is the proper place for this topic. [[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 02:43, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

=== Accessibility update ===
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No further comment, so please install the {{diff|Template:Portal/sandbox|323926277|323925787|revised patch}} mentioned above, which addresses the concerns raised. I just now ran into the problem when reviewing a Featured Article candidate that uses {{tlx|portal|Music|'A' (PSF).png}}; without the patch, this use of the template fails FA criterion 3 due to improper [[WP:ACCESSIBILITY|accessibility]] for the visually impaired. [[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 21:26, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
:Comment: I'm happy to delink the default image (and well done for creating a new one!) but I still think linking should be turned on by default on others (but can be turned off case-by-case). I think that is the opposite to what you are suggesting. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 07:56, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
:: Defaulting to linking would hurt [[WP:ACCESSIBILITY]] for many, many articles, and would cause many featured articles to stop meeting FA requirements. I assume that the desire to link is due to licensing reasons? If so, that can be addressed in a different way: by putting the URL for that link into a place where it will not cause a [[screen reader]] to output unnecessary verbiage to visually impaired readers. I came up with a {{diff|Template:Portal/sandbox|324338040|323925787|new sandbox patch}} to do that, and documented and tested the result; you can see it in action in ''[[Template:Portal/testcases]]''. The basic idea is to add a new {{para|title}} parameter, which specifies the title text (this is visible to as a [[tooltip]] to graphical browsers, and is normally skipped by screen readers). If neither {{para|link}}, nor {{para|alt}}, nor {{para|title}} is specified, we're assumed to be in backward compatibility mode, and the licensing URL is put into the title text. If one of these new parameters is specified, the user is assumed to have done the right thing, licensing-wise, and the parameters are obeyed. This should address the previously-mentioned concerns about licensing, because it follows the licensing requirements for all the portals currently out there. I suggest installing this new sandbox patch. [[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 22:11, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
::: I came up with a {{diff|Template:Portal/sandbox|324903518|323925787|simpler sandbox patch}} for the problem. This differs from the patch in my previous comment, in that the default title text doesn't depend on {{para|link}} or {{para|alt}}: this is easier to explain and to implement, and it still addresses the licensing and accessibility concerns noted in this thread. [[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 20:56, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

=== Accessibility update 2 ===
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No further comment in [[#Accessibility update|the previous subthread]], so please install the {{diff|Template:Portal/sandbox|324903518|323925787|simpler sandbox patch}} as mentioned at the end of that subthread. This patch is documented in ''[[Template:Portal/doc]]'' and is tested in ''[[Template:Portal/testcases]]''. I expect you'll need to protect ''[[:File:Portal-puzzle.svg]]'' the same way that ''[[:File:Portal.svg]]'' is already protected. Thanks. [[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 07:59, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:I'm not sure whether this satisfies the need to attribute images or not (I am no expert in this area). However the tooltip seems rather inadaquate. As a seeing editor, I quite often like to click icons to see them at full size. It is sometimes difficult to make out what the icon is showing, and a clickable link is the easiest way to satisfy curiosity. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 20:45, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

{{commons}}
:: It clearly satisfies the attribution requirement. As for clicking on icons, that issue is not new. For example, with the default skin the puzzle-globe icon at the upper left of this very talk page is ''[[:File:Wiki.png]]'', but you can't easily find that out by clicking on it. Another example: the very commonly used "<code><nowiki>{{commons}}</nowiki></code>" template generates the box at right, and clicking on that image does not take you to the image page. This more-general topic has recently come up in ''[[Wikipedia talk:Alternative text for images #Delinking decorative images]]'', and a solution proposed there (which would also handle the problem here) is to have a gadget that lets you look at the image and easily navigate to its file page. In the meantime, we shouldn't hurt the [[WP:ACCESSIBILITY]] of {{tl|Portal}} merely because of this relatively-minor concern. [[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 23:59, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
:::After reading the thread you have linked, I am inclined to refuse this request as I realise just what an issue this is. It is highly awkward to navigate to the image description page and it seems you are saying we should hinder 99% of readers for the sake of 1% of them. As for "It clearly satisfies the attribution requirement", I'm afraid it is far from clear to me. However, as I was the one who reverted the first change I'll leave the decision for someone else to make. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 15:31, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
:::: We need to make ''some'' change, because as things stand, {{tl|portal}} does not satisfy the [[WP:ACCESSIBILITY]] aspects that any good article should follow (and which are required for featured articles). I've tried very hard to satisfy all objections to this change, and if it simply can't be met, and if {{tl|portal}} simply cannot be modified to be accessible, then we'll have to start modifying articles to not use {{tl|portal}}. If the current proposed change isn't right, can you suggest a better one, one that still satisfies accessibility requirements? [[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 17:55, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

:'''Do ''not'' deploy Eubulides new version.'''
:1: The new image is a copyright infringement. See discussion further up this page.
:2: The new code sets the default to not link when other images are fed. That means when other images are fed they will not get attribution since there will be no link, and it makes it hard to find out what the images' licenses are. Unless the users ''really'' understand the details and feed some extra parameters. Thus that too will cause lots of copyright problems.
:--[[User:Davidgothberg|David Göthberg]] ([[User talk:Davidgothberg|talk]]) 19:10, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Protected edit request suspended pending consensus. <span style="font-family:New York"><span style="background-color:black; color:gray;">[[User:Skomorokh|<span style="color: white">&nbsp;Skomorokh</span>]], [[WP:BARBARIAN|<span style="color: gray">barbarian&nbsp;</span>]]</span></span> 19:15, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

: There are two claims here, one that ''[[:File:Portal-puzzle.svg]]'' infringes copyright, the other that the proposed patch suppresses attribution when non-default images are used. Both claims are incorrect. However, as David Göthberg has filed two ANIs and a deletion-request over the image, it's better if we hold off installing the patch until those have been resolved. [[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 23:27, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

::Eubulides: That is untrue. When an image is fed to your code, per default it causes this code:
<pre>
<span title="{{fullurl:Image:Portal.svg}}">
[[File:Portal.svg | 32x28px | link= | alt= | {{fullurl:Image:Portal.svg}} ]]
</span>
</pre>

::Which returns this:

<span title="{{fullurl:Image:Portal.svg}}">
[[File:Portal.svg | 32x28px | link= | alt= | {{fullurl:Image:Portal.svg}} ]]
</span>

::That image is ''not'' clickable. Thus it is very hard to find out who made it, and under what license it is published. And here's a link to that image, so I don't do a copyright infringement: [[:File:Portal.svg]]
::Eubulides: If you want to unlink copyrighted images, then I suggest you bring that up with the [http://wikimediafoundation.org Wikimedia foundation], and more specifically [http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff Mike Godwin, General Counsel and Legal Coordinator], so he can investigate it and then present it to the board so they can issue a new policy on image copyright handling in the Wikimedia projects. Instead of you demanding things on these talk pages. And I am not joking.
::--[[User:Davidgothberg|David Göthberg]] ([[User talk:Davidgothberg|talk]]) 01:14, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
::: I did not say that the image was clickable. I said that the patch preserves attribution, and that claim is correct. Just mouse over the image, and you'll see the URL of its file page. That's not hard. The license does not require that the image must be clickable; all that's required is attribution, and putting the URL in the tooltip clearly satisfies this requirement. I'd rather not bother Godwin over this relatively minor and straightforward legal issue. [[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 01:55, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

::::So you say that a user should figure out what that tooltip means, then switch to another browser tab, then manually type in that long URL to get to that image page? Most users I know would not manage that... Oh, and that user must have a browser that shows such tooltips.
::::Our practice here at Wikipedia is to use links for attribution and to find the license. If you want to change that, then you should bring that up to central discussion. And since this involves a legal issue, then I say you need to go to the Wikimedia foundation with it.
::::--[[User:Davidgothberg|David Göthberg]] ([[User talk:Davidgothberg|talk]]) 02:18, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
::::: I'm not planning on doing anything along those lines unless the ANIs you filed expire without action, and your deletion-request is denied. You've made several incorrect claims about copyright law and about my actions and proposals, and it will take some time to resolve this. In the meantime there's no rush. [[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 07:56, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

I am not sure that removing portal form articles is not a good idea.  I have always been wary of special links, including the sister-links. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 15:44, 21 November 2009 (UTC).
: I agree that portals should not be removed from articles; I did not mean to suggest that. However, we must do ''something'', as currently we have many high-quality articles (including featured articles) that violate [[Wikipedia:Accessibility]] guidelines because they use {{tl|Portal}} and {{tl|Portal}} violates the guidelines. If {{tl|Portal}} cannot be changed, we could fix the problem some other way. For example, we could define a new template that generates accessible links to portals, and then gradually change articles to use that new template, retaining the existing behavior of {{tl|Portal}} for backward-compatibility reasons. Obviously this would be more work, and it'd be better to change {{tl|Portal}} if we can come to some consensus to do that. [[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 07:56, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

===Suggestion===
Here is my suggestion for how we proceed:
# We use your new image as the default and we unlink it.
# We add support for delinking a public domain image, by passing a parameter.
# Other images are linked by default.
If this is satisfactory to all, then I will make the edit. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 22:09, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

: Yes, thanks, that would be OK too. For [[WP:ACCESSIBILITY]], editors also need to be able to specify the alt text for a linked image, so we need an {{para|alt}} parameter as well as a {{para|link}} parameter. I have implemented and tested this suggestion (with a {{diff|Template:Portal/sandbox|328896067|328893831|sandbox diff}}, {{oldid|Template:Portal/doc|328902521|documentation}}, and [[Template:Portal/testcases|test cases]]). [[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 23:12, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

== "Break" parameter ==

<code>break=yes</code>

What does this do? -- [[User:OlEnglish|<span style="font-size:x-large;">&oelig;</span>]][[User talk:OlEnglish|<sup>&trade;</sup>]] 11:57, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

:I believe it just places the word "portal" on another line, perhaps in case of a long portal name. <span style="white-space:nowrap; text-shadow:gray 5px 3px 1px;">— [[User:Huntster|Huntster]] <small>([[User talk:Huntster|t]] [[Special:Emailuser/Huntster|@]] [[Special:Contributions/Huntster|c]])</small></span> 04:43, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
:: You are quite right, Huntster! Although it doesn't have to be "yes", any non-blank value will do. If it is blank (or non-existent) then it will place a space instead of a line break. (i.e. <code>break=yes</code> will do "<i>portal-name</i>" followed by a line break then the word ''portal''. <code>break=</code> (or nothing) will do "<i>portal-name</i> portal" -- '''[[User:Phantomsteve|<span style="color:#307D7E;">Phantom</span><span style="color:#55CAFA;">Steve</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Phantomsteve|<span style="color:#307D7E;">Contact Me</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/Phantomsteve|<span style="color:#5599FA;">My Contribs</span>]]) 14:17, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

== link parameter ==

The link= parameter (discussed above) doesn't seem to work. --[[User:Apoc2400|Apoc2400]] ([[User talk:Apoc2400|talk]]) 18:55, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
: That is because the improvement discussed above is still pending, waiting for administrator attention elsewhere. The [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive579 #User:Eubulides|English Wikipedia ANI]] was archived with no action taken, and similarly for the [[Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/Archives/User problems 11 #User:Eubulides|Commons ANI]], but the [[Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Portal-puzzle.svg|Commons deletion request]] is still awaiting admininistrator attention on Commons. Once this is handled, we can discuss and install the proposed improvement. [[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 21:36, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
:: Ok, I had no idea it was such a big issue. I hope you can work it out. I often wish Wikipedia had just gone with public domain with no attribution requirement instead of GFDL/CC-BY-SA... --[[User:Apoc2400|Apoc2400]] ([[User talk:Apoc2400|talk]]) 00:52, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
::: The compromise approach described in ''[[#Suggestion]]'' above was installed, so {{para|link|<var>Target</var>}} should work now. [[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 00:11, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

== Default image ==

I think that one of the biggest problems with this template is that there isn't a default image for each portal. So, I analyzed the database dump for usage of {{tlc|portal}} and {{tlx|portalbox}}, so that I could pick the most used image for each portal as the default (see the [[User:Svick/Portal images|results]]). Based on those data, I created {{tlx|portal/images}} that chooses the default image and implemented it into the sandbox version. What do you think? [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 18:21, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

:Perhaps I'm not understanding your statement, but the puzzle piece image is the default for this template. Individual projects can specify a unique image if they want to, but if they don't, the puzzle piece should always be shown. I'm not sure what your proposed portal/images page would do. <span style="white-space:nowrap; text-shadow:gray 5px 3px 1px;">— [[User:Huntster|Huntster]] <small>([[User talk:Huntster|t]] [[Special:Emailuser/Huntster|@]] [[Special:Contributions/Huntster|c]])</small></span> 00:35, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

::Currently, if one portal wants to have the same image whenever this template is used, the image has to be specified on all pages where it is used (e.g. on every page, you have to use {{tlc|Portal|Spaceflight|RocketSunIcon.svg}}). But with my change, the image is specified once (in {{tlc|portal/images}}), and you use just {{tlc|Portal|Spaceflight}} and the image “RocketSunIcon.svg” shows on every page. [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 00:47, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

:::Aha, I see; I wasn't reading the subpage correctly. While this could obviously work, I'm not sure much demand is there, but I suppose it wouldn't hurt to allow the function. Some additional comments from folks would be welcome. <span style="white-space:nowrap; text-shadow:gray 5px 3px 1px;">— [[User:Huntster|Huntster]] <small>([[User talk:Huntster|t]] [[Special:Emailuser/Huntster|@]] [[Special:Contributions/Huntster|c]])</small></span> 01:18, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
:An interesting idea, but isn't it easier to use separate templates (e.g. {{tl|Film portal}}) for this? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 12:46, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
::I think there are three good reasons why using {{tlc|portal/images}} is better:
::#If I want to link to [[Portal:Film]] what template should I use? {{tlx|Portal|Film}}, {{tlx|Film portal}}, {{tlx|Film Portal}}, {{tlx|Film Wikiportal}}, {{tlx|Filmportal}} or some other variant? Most of those templates don't exist, but [[:Category:Wikipedia Portal navflags|there are templates]] with similar names. Even if all those templates used the same naming convention, there are still two choices – {{tlc|Portal|Something}} that works all the time, but never has the appropriate image (unless directly specified) or {{tlc|Something portal}}, that works only for some portals, but has the appropriate image. I think that having one alternative that works all the time properly is better.
::#If I want to group portals using {{tlx|portalbox}}, there is no way to use {{tlc|Film portal}}, but changing {{tlc|portalbox}} to use {{tlc|portal/images}} is trivial.
::#Even when the {{tlc|Something portal}} template exists, people often don't use it: {{tlx|Africa portal}} is used only on 6 pages, but more than 200 pages link to [[Portal:Africa]] without an image and another 200 pages specify their own image. (I counted both {{tlc|portal}} and {{tlc|portalbox}} for the second and third number.)
::[[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 16:21, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

{{tlx|editprotected}}
Could some admin introduce this change, i.e. update this template from the sandbox? It seems that the discussion has stopped and there hasn't been any significant opposition against this. Thanks. [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 17:15, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
:Sorry for not responding before. Just one question: have you looked at how that very large switch statement affects the load times of pages? I just ask because I once tried to add such a switch to [[Template:Lang]] and it had so severe an impact on some pages that I had to abandon the attempt. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 17:46, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
::The time in HTML comment (<code>Served by … in …</code>) for purging [[User:Svick/Sandbox]] that uses the current version varies between 0.15–0.25 s, for [[User:Svick/Sandbox2]] that uses the sandbox version it is about 0.25–0.35 s. I don't see that as a problem, but if it is, images for almost orphaned portals can be removed. [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 18:24, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Might be worth putting the lesser used portals into a second nested switch statement? Sandbox copy implemented. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 22:01, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
::::I think that the best way to make the more often used portals faster is to sort the switch by usage, like I did in [[Template:Portal/images/sandbox]]. Can you update [[Template:Portal/images]] from there (it's cascading protected)? The few tests I did show that it is actually faster for more used portals (and comparable with the nested switch method you suggested). [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 22:07, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Good idea. {{done}}. ([[WP:CASC]] is one of my pet hates.) &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 10:18, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
With this change, I think that images should always link to their description pages, unless overridden by the <code>link</code> parameter. (We're probably breaking licenses of some of the used free images now.) Could you update the template from sandbox again? Thanks. [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 12:43, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:I'm a bit confused. How is this different from the current situation, and the result of the compromise after the extensive discussion [[#Remove link from image, for accessibility|further up]] this page? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 16:16, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
{{Portal|Science}}
{{Portal|Science}}
::Currently, if an image is specified, it is linked on default (e.g. {{tlc|Portal|Science|Nuvola apps kalzium.svg}}, first example on right) but if you don't specify it, so that the default image for that portal is used, it is ''not'' linked (e.g. {{tlc|Portal|Science}}, second example). The difference is that at the time of the above discussion, “default image” meant the public domain [[:File:Portal-puzzle.svg]], but now, it is one of the images in [[Template:Portal/images]] and some of them are free, but require attribution. [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 16:54, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Okay, that sounds reasonable. {{done}} &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 19:53, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

== Centralized discussion ==

'''Please see [[Wikipedia_talk:Portal#Preponderance_of_portal_templates|here]]''' and give feedback. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯ 00:22, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

== Better syntax for Template:Portal box ==

I started a discussion about changing {{tlx|portalbox}}, so that it can be written with a better syntax. Comments are welcome [[Template talk:Portal box#Better syntax|on the template's talk page]]. [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 19:44, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

== Pic change ==

Would it be okay for me to change the picture for professional wrestling from [[:File:Pankratiasten in fight copy of greek statue 3 century bC.jpg]] to [[:File:WWE ring.jpg]] per a request on my talk page? The former doesn't have much to do with modern professional wrestling. I just wanted to check before I did it to make sure there wasn't an issue. [[User:Nikki311|<span style="color:Teal;">'''Nikki'''</span>]]<span style="color: Salmon">'''♥'''</span>[[User Talk:Nikki311|<span style="color:Purple;">'''311'''</span>]]  04:45, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:I can't see any problem with that. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 19:44, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

== Specifying the height ==

Would there be any problem about allowing the (maximum) height of an image to be specified? I intend to replace "28" with <nowiki>"{{{height|28}}}"</nowiki>. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 19:55, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:{{added}} &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 15:55, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

== No icon ==

Is there currently any way to produce a portal box without any icon? I ask because we intend to use it in this way from [[Template:WPBannerMeta]] shortly. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 19:56, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:Not using this template without changes to it. The part that shows the image isn't inside any condition. [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 21:10, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
::What's the best way to support this option? {{para|image|none}} ? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 22:24, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I think empty <code>image</code> parameter is better for two reasons:
:::#Empty image currently doesn't work (the wikicode <code>[[Image:|32x28px|alt=]]</code> can be seen where image should be normally placed, see the [[Template:Portal/testcases|testcases]]), so this may actually fix some articles.
:::#It's possible that images on Wikipedia won't be based around extensions in the future, so [[File:None]] may actually exist.
:::I [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Portal/sandbox&diff=355783488&oldid=355781751 implemented this] in the sandbox. [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 16:57, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Alternatively, we could add <nowiki>{{#ifexist:media:{{{image}}}|...</nowiki>? [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 19:14, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

== Remove FOSS logo ==

{{tlx|editprotected}}

Per [[template talk:FOSS#FOSS Logo|this discussion]], the logo used for the free software portal (currently [[:File:Free Software Portal Logo.svg]]) is inappropriate as it is an original construction. This was removed from {{tl|fossportal}} for the same reason. Until such point as an acceptable logo is agreed on, please remove the logo. Actually, is it possible to also suppress the logo where it is incorrectly manually specified in this case? Cheers. [[user:thumperward|Chris Cunningham (not at work)]] - [[user talk:thumperward|talk]] 13:21, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

: Are you asking to change an image in {{tl|Portal/images}}?  I believe you can edit that one.  As far as "incorrectly manually specified", do you mean in the case that it doesn't exist?  I had proposed something in the thread above for that.  Let me know if there is something else. [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 17:30, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

:: {{tl|Portal/images}} is cascade-protected, so no, I can't fix this myself. And I meant is it possible to override cases where that image is manually specified on the FOSS portal, because it's been agreed that this is inappropriate. [[user:thumperward|Chris Cunningham (not at work)]] - [[user talk:thumperward|talk]] 09:34, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

:::I don't think overriding manual specification of that image is a good idea, instead bot should do it (there's about 2800 such articles according to my counting). [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 11:19, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

:::: I'd be happy for that solution as well. [[user:thumperward|Chris Cunningham (not at work)]] - [[user talk:thumperward|talk]] 12:48, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

::::: Okay, I removed the link to the image.  Hopefully that's what you are looking for.  I'm going to sort this massive switch statement.  [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 15:14, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

:::::: The switch was sorted by usage, so that it is executed faster for more used portals (see [[#Default image|above]]). [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 15:33, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

::::::: Okay, I will undo the sorting.  By the way, there seems to be some case-variation duplicates and blank entries, which cause a broken image <nowiki>[[Image: |]]</nowiki> in the box.  I am assuming the blank ones should be set to the default? [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 15:42, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

::::::: Yeah, you can set the blank ones to default (University of the Arctic seems to be the only one remaining). Thanks for noticing that. As for the duplicates, they are there because switch is case sensitive and people sometimes use different capitalizations. Having the different variants of one portal in one place (like you did with FOSS) is a good idea. [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 16:22, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

:::::::: Okay, I went ahead and merged the obvious ones, but the ones where the cases produce different images will require making a decision as far as which image to use.  Thanks! [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 17:26, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

== Case duplicates ==

The following entries only differ in case, but have different icons?
<pre>
| Anime and manga = Wikipe-tan face.png
| Anime and Manga = Wikipe-tan without body.png
| Molecular and Cellular Biology = Portal.svg
| Molecular and cellular biology = TPI1 structure.png
| Rock and Roll = Queens of the Stone Age Bologna 2005 small.jpg
| Rock and roll = 'A' (PSF).png
| Video games = Gamepad.svg
| Video Games = Crystal Clear app package games.png
</pre>
Should we merge these? [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 15:59, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, I think so. I went the other way and merged entries for the same portal with the same image (this doesn't have any visible effect, but makes managing the list little easier) in the sandbox, can you apply it to the template? (I also fixed image for [[Portal:Georgia]] in that edit.) [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 18:16, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
::Even better. I applied your change.  I have dropped notices at the various WProjects to see if there is any preferences for the portal image in the case of the duplicates listed above.  [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 19:25, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Your note at [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology#Default_portal_image|the MCB talk page]] stimulated a thread culminating in some new dog poo-inspired artwork.  Just a heads-up per your request.  [[User:Adrian J. Hunter|Adrian&nbsp;'''J.'''&nbsp;Hunter]]<sup>([[User talk:Adrian J. Hunter|talk]]•[[Special:contributions/Adrian J. Hunter|contribs]])</sup> 06:41, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
:For the Anime-Manga Portal, I prefer the use of the Wikipe-tan face image over the alternate. It just looks better in my opinion. [[User:Fox816|Fox816]] ([[User talk:Fox816|talk]]) 18:46, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

:I have posted Plastikspork's comment at [[WT:ANIME#Portal image]]. So far 3 votes for [[:file:Wikipe-tan face.png|Wikipe-tan face.png]] and 3 votes for [[:file:Wikipe-tan without body.png|Wikipe-tan without body.png]]. [[User:G.A.S|<span style="font-family:Brush Script MT; font-size:1.4em;">G.A.S</span>]][[User talk:G.A.S|<sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;">talk</span></sup>]] 04:56, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

For the Video Games portal, I prefer <nowiki>{{Portal|Video games}}</nowiki> . My argument is that it is easier to immediately understand what the image depicts in #2 than in #1, since #2 is larger because the handles on both ends of #1 make the image smaller. <span style="font-family:Verdana">[[User:Gary King|<span style="color: #02b;">Gary&nbsp;<b>King</b></span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Gary King|<span style="color: #02e;">talk</span>]])</span> 17:44, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Why don't we make the parameter non case-specific? Converting everything to lowercase might be simplest. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 20:55, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Another thing that may also need looking at are some items that are using the old default icon.
<pre>
| Lancaster, Pennsylvania = Portal.svg
| Oz = Portal.svg
| Molecular and Cellular Biology = Portal.svg
| Emo = Portal.svg
</pre>
-- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 10:54, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Some could be set as follows:

<pre>
| Computer security = Monitor padlock.svg
| Journalism = Newspaper nicu buculei 01.svg
| East Sussex = E_Sussex_arms.png
| Northamptonshire = Northamptonshire Flag.PNG
| Devon = Flag of Devon.svg
| Strategy games = Chess.svg
</pre>
-- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 17:40, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
:{{added}} those. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 19:15, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
:: And the case-duplicates are now merged as well.  Thanks! [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 16:34, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Cornwall ==

{{portal|Cornwall}}
Could <code>| Cornwall = Portal.svg</code> be changed to <code>| Cornwall = Flag of Cornwall.svg</code> please? Many thanks --[[User:Joowwww|Joowwww]] ([[User talk:Joowwww|talk]]) 11:44, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
:{{done}} &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 12:07, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

== Why so many templates? ==

These syntax have the same result:

{{Portal box|name1=Geography}}
{{Portal|Geography}}
{{portal|Geography}}

<nowiki>{{Portal box|name1=Geography}}</nowiki><br />
<nowiki>{{Portal|Geography}}</nowiki><br />
<nowiki>{{Geography portal}}</nowiki><br />

In Italian Wikipedia we use only 1 template to do this, and it works perfectly.
I think is useless to have 3 types of template too have the same result, so I propose to:

* delete all template such as "Geography portal" (so all the [[:Category:Wikipedia Portal navflags]]), substituting it with [[Template:Portal]] (I can do it in a very simple manner white a bot);
* copy the code of [[template:Portal box]] (that is more generic, cause it can contain 1-5 links) on [[template:Portal]] (making some little change to include the syntax of template:portal, too, so we can write "<nowiki>{{Portal|Geography}}</nowiki>" instead of "<nowiki>{{Portal box|name1=Geography}}</nowiki>");
* delete "template:Portal box", substituting it with [[Template:Portal]] (I can do it in a very simple manner white a bot).
--[[User:Aushulz|Aushulz]] ([[User talk:Aushulz|talk]]) 16:24, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:Nice ideas. I don't really see the point of deleting {{tl|Geography portal}} and the likes. Some people might prefer to use them as a shortcut for the full syntax. However I think I support your idea of merging this template with {{tl|portal box}}. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 16:49, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::[[:Category:Wikipedia Portal navflags]] can't be included on [[Template:Portal box]], and they are difficult to manage with bot. If you prefer, we can leave them, substituting only where there are more than one, or deprecate their use. I think however there are no benefit to maintain them (<nowiki>{{Portal|Geography}}</nowiki> and <nowiki>{{Geography portal}}</nowiki> have the same length, so it isn't a "shortcut"). --[[User:Aushulz|Aushulz]] ([[User talk:Aushulz|talk]]) 16:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:"{{Tl|Geography portal}}" is more natural to type. But no reason is shouldn't be a wrapper for {{|TlX|Portal|Geography}}. Also {{Tl|Portal}} should support multiple portals in one call - maybe it already does. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 19:59, 2 May 2010 (UTC).
::OK it wa a wrapper but it used its own icon. Simplified massively - no doubt someone will be along to explain why I shouldn't have done that. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 20:03, 2 May 2010 (UTC).
{{Portal box|name1=Geography|name2=Physics|name3=Nudity}}
Portal box does this (see right) - I don't think Portal supports that - although it should. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 20:06, 2 May 2010 (UTC).

There are 116 (well 115 now, I deleted one) cases of portal with no arguments.  By fixing these up we can de-special case them ({{done}}), and simplify the template (on 2,500,000 pages).  The breaking I would suggest can be forced for names over a certain length.  There is sometimes need to override the icon used, but this really shows that it is a bad choice of icon.  If we standardise the layout (height, border, icon location etc.) then stacked instances will look good (they often don't). Having done that we can make the multi-box use a much simpler syntax.  I would like it to be {{Tlx|Portal|Nudity|Bicycles|Thunder storms}}.  This is simple for anyone to use. Maybe we should make the canonical name "Portals". ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 08:11, 3 May 2010 (UTC).

Oh and maybe we should error trap non-existent portals, by suppressing display and adding to a hidden cat. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 08:19, 3 May 2010 (UTC).

== More Images ==

{{tlx|editprotected}}
Could the following be added to the [[Template:Portal/images|/images]] page.
<pre>
|Hertfordshire = Hertsflag.jpg
|Swimming = Swimming pictogram.svg
|United States Merchant Marine = Usmm-seal.png
|Tamil = Tamil-flag.gif
|Tamil People = Tamil-flag.gif
|Liberalism = Yellow flag waving.svg
|Socialism = Red flag II.svg
</pre>
thanks -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 08:25, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
: Done. Thanks! [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 16:24, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Xbox Image ==

{{tlx|editprotected}}
If someone could add this it would be appreciated:
<pre>
|Xbox = Xbox-logotype.png
</pre>

Thanks.--'''[[User:Blackwatch21|<span style="color:red;">B</span>]]lack[[User talk:Blackwatch21|<span style="color:red;">W</span>]]atch[[WikiProject Xbox|<span style="color:red;">21</span>]] ''' 18:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
: Sure, will do. [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 19:48, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Please change to alphabetical listing ==

{{tlx|editprotected}}
Much appreciated. <sup>[[User:Carlaude|'''{{#if:|<span style="background-color:şṗøʀĸ;color:red;"></span>|<span style="color:red;">şṗøʀĸ</span>}}'''{{#if:|<span style="background-color:ɕäɾłäů∂ɛ:;color:green;"></span>|<span style="color:green;">ɕäɾłäů∂ɛ:</span>}}]][[User talk:Carlaude|{{#if:|<span style="background-color:τᴀʟĸ;color:purple;"></span>|<span style="color:purple;">τᴀʟĸ</span>}}]]</sup> 00:37, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

{{Collapse top|alphbetical listing}}

| A Nightmare on Elm Street = Nightmare Portal.gif
| A Series of Unfortunate Events | Lemony Snicket = Eyes lumen design.svg
| Abkhazia = Flag of Abkhazia.svg
| Aboriginal peoples in Canada = Aboriginal War Veterans monument (close).JPG
| Afghanistan = Flag of Afghanistan.svg
| Africa = Africa satellite orthographic.jpg
| African American = AmericaAfrica.png
| Agriculture and Agronomy = Farmer plowing.jpg
| AI = ArtificialFictionBrain.png
| Alabama = Flag of Alabama.svg
| Alaska = Flag of Alaska.svg
| Albania = Flag of Albania.svg
| Alberta = Flag of Alberta.svg
| Algebra = Arithmetic symbols.svg
| Algeria = Flag of Algeria.svg
| Alternative music = Musical note nicu bucule 01.svg
| American Civil War = Acw bs 7a.png
| American football = Wilsonnflfootball.png
| American Revolutionary War = Washington Crossing the Delaware.png
| Amusement parks = Roller Coaster Icon.svg
| Analysis = Nuvola apps kmplot.svg
| Anarchism = BlackFlagSymbol.svg
| Ancient Egypt = Pyramide Kheops.JPG
| Ancient Greece = Parthenon from west.jpg
| Ancient Near East = Babylonlion.JPG
| Ancient Rome = SPQRomani.svg
| Anglicanism = Canterbury cathedral.jpg
| Angola = Flag of Angola.svg
| Animals = Sow with piglet.jpg
| Animation = Animhorse.gif
| Anime and manga | Anime and Manga = Wikipe-tan face.png
| Antarctica = ContinentAntarctica.svg
| Aquarium Fish = Pterois antennata-3.jpg
| Archaeology = Stonehenge Closeup.jpg
| Architecture = Parthenon.JPG
| Arctic = Ibca gebco comp cover.jpg
| Argentina = Flag of Argentina.svg
| Arizona = Flag of Arizona.svg
| Arkansas = Flag of Arkansas.svg
| Armenia = Flag of Armenia.svg
| Art = Ballerina-icon.jpg
| Arthropods = Brachypelma edit.jpg
| Artificial intelligence = Animation2.gif
| Arts = Nuvola apps package graphics.png
| Asia = Asia map.jpg
| Association football = Soccer ball.svg
| Astrology = Astrologia-tynkä.jpg
| Astronomy = Crab Nebula.jpg
| Atheism = Atom of Atheism (lowres)-Zanaq.png
| Atlas = BlankMap-World6.svg
| Austin = Sixth Street Austin.jpg
| Australia = Flag of Australia.svg
| Australian rules football = Sherrin-transparent.png
| Austria = Flag of Austria.svg
| Austria-Hungary = Wappen Österreich-Ungarn 1916 (Klein).png
| Aviation = Aviacionavion.png
| Azerbaijan = Flag of Azerbaijan.svg
| Ballet = Ballerina-icon.jpg
| Bande dessinée = FrancoBelgianballoon.svg
| Bangladesh = Flag of Bangladesh.svg
| Baptist = Baptism logo.jpg
| Baseball = Baseball (crop).jpg
| Basketball = Basketball.png
| Basque = Lauburu.svg
| Battlestar Galactica = BattlestarMandala.svg
| Bavaria = Flag of Bavaria (lozengy).svg
| BBC = BBC.svg
| Beer = Beer.jpg
| Belarus = Flag of Belarus.svg
| Belgium = Flag of Belgium.svg
| Bengal = BengaliScriptKo.svg
| Benin = Flag of Benin.svg
| Berbers = Berber flag.svg
| Bermuda = Flag of Bermuda.svg
| Bible = Bible.malmesbury.arp.jpg
| Bihar = BiharSeal.jpg
| Biography = P vip.svg
| Biological warfare = Anthrax culture.jpg
| Biology = Darlingtonia californica.jpg
| Biotechnology = 3d tRNA.png
| Book of Mormon = Book of Mormon English Missionary Edition Soft Cover.jpg
| Books = Nuvola apps bookcase.svg
| Bosnia and Herzegovina = Flag of Bosnia and Herzegovina.svg
| Boston = Flag of Boston.svg
| Botswana = Flag of Botswana.svg
| Brazil = Flag of Brazil.svg
| Bridges = Pont-type-4-haubans.svg
| Brighton = Brighton Royal Pavilion.jpg
| Bristol = Bristol arms cropped.jpg
| British Army = Flag of the British Army.svg
| British Columbia = Flag of British Columbia.svg
| British Empire = British Empire 1897.jpg
| British Virgin Islands = Flag of the British Virgin Islands.svg
| Brussels = Flag Belgium brussels.svg
| Buddhism = Dharma Wheel.svg
| Bulgaria = Flag of Bulgaria.svg
| Bulgarian Empire = Coat of Arms of the Bulgarian Empire.PNG
| Burkina Faso = Flag of Burkina Faso.svg
| Burundi = Flag of Burundi.svg
| Business and economics = EUR 1 (2007 issue).png
| Byzantine Empire = Flag of PalaeologusEmperor.svg
| California = WPCF.svg
| Calvinism = Kreuz-hugenotten.jpg
| Cambodia = Flag of Cambodia.svg
| Cameroon = Flag of Cameroon.svg
| Canada = Flag of Canada.svg
| Canadian football = Canadian football.png
| Cannabis = Cannabis leaf.svg
| Cape Verde = Flag of Cape Verde.svg
| Capital District = Empire State Plaza symbol 2.svg
| Caribbean = Caribbean map blank.png
| Cars = Sportcar sergio luiz ara 01.svg
| Catholicism = 046CupolaSPietro.jpg
| Cats = Cat03.jpg
| Central African Republic = Flag of the Central African Republic.svg
| Cetaceans = Sperm whale fluke.jpg
| Chad = Flag of Chad.svg
| Cheesehead = Cheesehead.png
| Chemistry = Nuvola apps edu science.png
| Cheshire = EnglandCheshire.svg
| Chess = Nuvola apps package games strategy.png
| Chicago = Chicago city seal.png
| Children and Young Adult Literature = Tom Sawyer 1876 frontispiece.jpg
| Chile = Flag of Chile.svg
| China = China-outline.png
| Christian metal = Ibanez440rs1.jpg
| Christian music = Musical note nicu bucule 01.svg
| Christianity = P christianity.svg
| Christianity in China = Blessing message.svg
| Christmas = Xmas tree.svg
| Classical Civilisation | Classical Civilization = 2006 01 21 Athènes Parthénon.JPG
| Classical music = 'A' (PSF).png
| Cleveland, Ohio = Flag of Cleveland, Ohio.svg
| Cold War = Cold War Map 1959.svg
| College basketball = Basketball.png
| College football = NCAAFootball transparent.png
| Colombia = Flag of Colombia.svg
| Colonialism = PithHelmetTruman.jpg
| Colorado = Flag of Colorado.svg
| Comedy = SMirC-laugh.svg
| Comics = Comiclogo.svg
| Commonwealth realms = Flag of Belize.svg
| Communism = Hammer and sickle.svg
| Companies = Factory 1b.svg
| Computer graphics = 5-cell.gif
| Computer networking | Computer Networking = Bus icon.svg
| Computer science | Computer Science = Internet map 1024.jpg
| Computer security = Monitor padlock.svg
| Computing = Nuvola apps display.png
| Connecticut = Flag of Connecticut.svg
| Cooperatives = Twinpines.gif
| Cornhusker = Nebraska silhouette.png
| Cornwall = Flag of Cornwall.svg 
| Côte d'Ivoire = Flag of Cote d'Ivoire.svg
| Country Music = Steel guitar-KayEss.1.jpeg
| Creationism = Blake ancient of days.jpg
| Cricket = Cricketball.png
| Crimea = Flag of Crimea.svg
| Criminal justice = Scale of justice 2.svg
| Croatia = Flag of Croatia.svg
| Crusades = Blason ville fr Villejust (Essonne).svg
| Cryptography = Crypto key.svg
| Cuba = Flag of Cuba.svg
| Culture = P culture.svg
| Current events = Ambox globe.svg
| Current events/Turkey = Wikinews-logo.png
| Cycling = Cycling pictogram.svg
| Cyprus = Flag of Cyprus.svg
| Czech Republic = Flag of the Czech Republic.svg
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: They are mostly sorted in order of usage, which should be more efficient, since fewer comparisons are needed in the switch statement.  See [[#Remove FOSS logo|this section]] above. [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 01:54, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::I changed the template to not use a switch, an alphabetical list of the portals supported is at [[Template:Portal/Images]].  Adding support for an additional portal is simply a question of adding a new sub-page of the form  [[Template:Portal/Images/My portal name]]  (note capitalisation).  We can cascade protect the image names if we wish, or not, or only for the widespread portals.  There is little point however, unless the corresponding images are also protected.  Note that  casing is no longer an issue for the image part, (provided the correct page name is set up) {{Tlx|Portal|My PoRtAl nAmE}} will still find the right image. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 07:58, 3 May 2010 (UTC).

== Proposed change because of Template:Portal box ==

I proposed a change to {{tlx|portal box}} that requires also a change of this template. See the discussion at [[Template talk:Portal box#Better syntax]]. [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 20:58, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

== Error ==

{{portal|History of Canada}}
I may be being a bit stupid, but I [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Portal/images&diff=prev&oldid=361764052 added] an image for the History of Canada portal but {{tlx|portal|History of Canada}} still produces the standard icon. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 22:03, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:It seems that the ifexist check returns false for this file ... &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 22:05, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::That's because it's changed since then and you now need to add it at [[Template:Portal/Images/History of canada]]. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 22:08, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh I missed that competely. It wasn't really discussed properly though. What were the benefits of this? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 06:55, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::::It was never really discussed, but I agree that it's better.  The switch statement just doesn't scale well as more and more portals are added.  The switch is traversed until the first match is found, which can be quite long if the portal is either not on the list, or, near the end.  The other additional benefit is that a bad edit on a single icon page will only impact one portal, rather than all of them.  However, the downside is that some needs to watch these pages for vandalism.  I already reverted one and wouldn't have found it if it weren't the example used in the documentation.  I don't know a good way to watch them all for vandalism other than creating a page with all of them listed and looking for "related changes".  I started one [[User:Plastikspork/portal|here]], but it will be continuously out of date as new images are added. These pages are being actively edited, with edits being reverted, if you check the related changes on that page. [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 19:35, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== Image syntax ==

Just wondering if it would be better to include the full <code><nowiki>[[File:image.png]]</nowiki></code> rather than just <code>image.png</code> on all those subpages as then other options such as borders for flags, link and alt could then be specified for each individual image. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 20:11, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
{{portal|Test}}
: <code><nowiki>[[File:image.png]]</nowiki></code> by itself wouldn't work, because we need to set the image size (maybe something like <code><nowiki>[[File:image.png|{{{1}}}]]</nowiki></code> would work). But you can specify border already, see the {{tlx|portal|Test}} on the right. It uses [[Template:Portal/Images/Test]] that contains <code>Blank.svg|border</code>. [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 20:55, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:: Link works as well. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 06:06, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
{{portal|Battleships}}{{portal|Battleships}}
::: Specifiying the size can be occasionally useful, for example with the Battleships portal where the image is a bit wider than most: -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 06:13, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Perhaps the solution to this would be specifying the height of the image, which is the approach as we have recently taken with {{tl|WPBM}}. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 07:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Fixing the height of all images seems sound.  Assuming images are a good thing, then it does not seem to onerous to ask that they conform to some dimension limits. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 09:23, 22 May 2010 (UTC).
::::::There is some code for this in the [[Template:Portal/sandbox|/sandbox]]. If the size parameter is not specified then the height will be set at 28px. Could someone else have a look at this and let me know if it looks okay? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 12:17, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I gave up waiting for feedback on this and implemented. Please revert if it causes any problems. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 10:21, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

== Protection ==

Portal images and names protected at [[Template:Portal/Image lockboxs]]. I was hoping we could cascade semi the less frequently used one, but that's not an option. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 15:47, 22 May 2010 (UTC).
:I don't think we should be automatically protecting every image. Have you built that page by considering the number of transclusions in some way? And Rich, thanks for your work here but would you please start discussing things before doing? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 06:27, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::I have removed the protection for now. I would support selective protection of highly used portals, but this blanket protection is extreme, not warranted in most cases, and not in line with the protection policy. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 22:01, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
No problem, if Svick's figures can be used to select only the top 10 or 50 or whatever number of images/names that would be good. The point is the structure is there, albeit static rather than dynamic.  ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 07:14, 24 May 2010 (UTC).
:Those listed on [[Wikipedia:Database reports/Templates with the most transclusions]] would be a good start. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 10:01, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::These images are hidden away and quite difficult to find. Is there actually any evidence that vandalism is likely to be a problem? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 12:11, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't know. Was just pointing out the list of most used icons. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 12:31, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::Copied the list to the names section.  Cut it down and/or lock it if you wish. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 22:45, 25 May 2010 (UTC).
:::I locked the high use names. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 05:56, 2 June 2010 (UTC).
*Not sure it's still in discussion, but one option would be to lock the templates over the [[MediaWiki:Titleblacklist|title blacklist]]'s <code>noedit</code>. It could also alternatively reduced to <code>autoconfirmed</code> if necessary. --[[User:The Evil IP address|The Evil IP address]] ([[User talk:The Evil IP address|talk]]) 18:29, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

== Borders ==

{{tlx|editprotected}}
Could [[Template:Portal/Images/Cyprus]] be changed to <code>Flag of Cyprus.svg|border</code> ? -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 16:13, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:Would it be necessary to use {{tl|!}} for that to work? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 06:22, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:Apparently not. {{done}} &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 06:29, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

{{tlx|editprotected}}
Could a border also be added to [[Template:Portal/Images/Finland]]. Thanks -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 21:14, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:{{done}} [[User:Blurpeace|<span style="color:#002BB8;">'''Blurpeace'''</span>]] 22:45, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

== Template:Porta and Template:Portb ==

I have just discovered the templates {{tlx|Porta}} and {{tlx|Portb}}. They seem to be a work of [[User:Buaidh]] and the difference between them and this template seems to be that “it creates linkboxes of uniform height, with the link text centered”. As I think our goal here is to make all the portal templates simpler and less confusing, creating new templates that largely copy existing ones doesn't seem like a good idea. What do you think? [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 19:40, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:I have sympathy for both ideas, but if it is right we should do it here. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 09:19, 22 May 2010 (UTC).
:Agree that it would be easier to maintain one template. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 06:30, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::So should we merge their features to this template and redirect them (together with the new {{tlx|port}})? Or just redirect them? [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 14:43, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I've redirected them all. If that is reverted we can take them to TfD. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 16:55, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
I've disabled Template:Porta and Template:Portb.  Please see [[#Template:Port]] below.  Yours aye, [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh|talk]]) 18:33, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

== Wikipedia Portal navflags deletion nomination ==

I've nominated a few of the unused templates from [[:Category:Wikipedia Portal navflags]] at [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2010 May 23]] if anyone wants to comment. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 17:42, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

== Template:Port ==

As I stated at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Port&oldid=363649697 Template:Port&oldid=363649697]:
<blockquote>
This linkbox template creates a floating box linking to a [[Wikipedia:Portal|Wikipedia portal]].  This template is functionally identical to [[Template:Portal]], with the following exceptions:
#This template can float the linkbox to either the right or left.
#This template can add a border around the image and adjust the image size accordingly.
#This template can adjust the maximum image height.  The default is 24 pixels or 22 pixels with a border.
#This template has a default maximum image width of 60 pixels or 58 pixels with a border.
#This template can align the link text to the left, center, or right.
#This template can display substitute link text.
#This template can break the link text in any way desired (see '''Examples''' below.)
</blockquote>
This functionality can either be integrated into [[Template:Portal]] or [[Template:Port]] can be left as a separate template.  Yours aye, [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh|talk]]) 18:51, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:I think it might be best if we discuss each of those issues separately. I will start with the first one below. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 19:01, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

=== Floating right or left ===
There is a {{{left}}} parameter on this template. Does {{para|left|yes}} achieve the functionality you are looking for? If not, can you describe the differences. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 19:01, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

:Aye.  I merely used float=left because I think it is a bit more intuitive.  I included point No. 1 merely to point out the difference in syntax.  [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh|talk]]) 19:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::Okay, maybe. But it is probably not worth changing it at this stage? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 19:05, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Not if we merge Template:Port into Template:Portal.  The real problem comes when we get to the image size defaults.  [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh|talk]]) 19:08, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
The thing is the float left is only used on a very few non-encylopedia pages. To have the functionality transcluded on 2.5 million pages for that wafer thin benefit is ... something we do a lot  ... but a bad idea. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 20:09, 23 May 2010 (UTC).
:You can always include an unlisted parameter for such infrequent uses.  Perhaps we should delete references to float=left from the documentation.  --[[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh|talk]]) 22:42, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::Good point, however the code is still transcluded whether the parameter is set or not. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 07:25, 24 May 2010 (UTC).

=== From [[User talk:Buaidh]] ===
Sorry I didn't get back to you about the questions you raised on my talk page some weeks back.  Basically the goals you mention are being achieved through the main template. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 19:36, 23 May 2010 (UTC).
:What about the issue of image borders and the automated resizing of images to accommodate those borders?  If I wish to generate a portal linkbox to Portal:England with an image border and a uniform image height of 24 pixels, I can invoke:
 '''<nowiki>{{portal|England|image=Flag of England.svg{{!}}border|size=22|height=44}}</nowiki>'''
:or I can invoke:
 '''<nowiki>{{port|England|border=yes}}</nowiki>'''
:The former requires either (1) an expicit invocation of the image file (bypassing the Template:Portal/Images files) with a border suffix, or (2) a permanent alteration of the Template:Portal/Images file which makes it impossible to remove the border for other users.  The former also requires an explicit resizing of the resultant image size.  --[[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 22:15, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::Or you can specify it at [[Template:Portal/Images/England]], like it currently is. [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 22:26, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:::OK.  Same question, using [[Template:Portal/Images/Colorado]].  My point is that you can append a |border to any Template:Portal/Images file, but then you are stuck with the border forever and the apparent image size increases by two pixels in each direction.
:::Lets move this back to [[Template talk:Portal#Portals]].  --[[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 22:33, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::::My suggestion is instead of just having the image name, it would be better to have the full image syntax as then the sizes could be individually specified for each image and also any other things such as alt tags. e.g instead of <code><nowiki>Flag of England.svg|border</nowiki></code>, could have <code><nowiki>[[Image:Flag of England.svg|border|x22px|alt=Flag of England]]</nowiki></code>  -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 07:07, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::I think I disagree because then we would not be able to code the size centrally, and I think we should be looking to standardise the size across these templates. Question: why does adding "border" work but not adding alt text? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 12:05, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::The alt text doesn't currently work due to alt always being specified in the template and so if there are two alt parts, the last one is the one used. Changing
<pre>
|alt={{{alt|}}}
</pre>
::::::to
<pre>
{{#ifeq:{{{alt|¬}}}|¬||{{!}}alt={{{alt|}}}}}
</pre>
::::::would do it I think. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 12:27, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that makes sense (although I had to think quite hard about that!). Could you let me know if you find any problems? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 12:35, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::Should portal boxes have borders? If yes, put them in the code, if no, leave them out.  The page Budiah made that indexes the US state portals and projects is a thing of beauty, and one way it achieves this is to format  the portal boxes identically to the project boxes.  However, to me the question is should they look the same? Personally I prefer the slightly larger tags (I am also not opposed to 
* [[Portal:Mathematics|Mathematics Portal]]
::), but if the consensus is that they should be the same and small, so be it, or the same and larger, or different. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 07:21, 24 May 2010 (UTC).
:::The advantages of a border=yes parameter are:
:::*The border need not be explicitly included in the [[Template:Portal/Images]] files.  (This requirement is not currently explained anywhere.)
{{portal|United States}}
{{portal|United States|size=54}}
:::*The border can be turned on or off.  (<nowiki>{{portal|United States}}</nowiki> usually does not need a border, but <nowiki>{{portal|United States|size=54}}</nowiki> may.)
:::*The image height and width can be adjusted for the extra two pixels required for the border, as in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Port&oldid=363649697 Template:Port&oldid=363649697].
:::Yours aye, [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh|talk]]) 13:26, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Why do you think that <nowiki>{{portal|United States}}</nowiki> does not need a border, but <nowiki>{{portal|United States|size=54}}</nowiki> does? Surely a decision can be made for each image rather than a case-by-case basis? And, can the human eye really detect the difference of 2 pixels? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 13:29, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::At smaller image sizes, the stripes appear to alternate, while at larger sizes it becomes obvious that the white stripes do not terminate.  I can certainly see two pixels with my unaided sexagenarian eyeballs.  Allow me to illustrate my point.
[[image:Flag of the United States.svg|32px|right]]
:::::*'''<nowiki>[[image:Flag of the United States.svg|32px|right]]</nowiki>''' yields:
{{clear}}
[[image:Flag of the United States.svg|border|30px|right]]
:::::*'''<nowiki>[[image:Flag of the United States.svg|border|30px|right]]</nowiki>''' yields:
{{clear}}
[[image:Flag of the United States.svg|border|32px|right]]
:::::*'''<nowiki>[[image:Flag of the United States.svg|border|32px|right]]</nowiki>''' yields:
{{clear}}
[[image:Flag of the United States.svg|100px|right]]
:::::*'''<nowiki>[[image:Flag of the United States.svg|100px|right]]</nowiki>''' yields:
{{clear}}
[[image:Flag of the United States.svg|border|98px|right]]
:::::*'''<nowiki>[[image:Flag of the United States.svg|border|98px|right]]</nowiki>''' yields:
{{clear}}
[[image:Flag of the United States.svg|border|100px|right]]
:::::*'''<nowiki>[[image:Flag of the United States.svg|border|100px|right]]</nowiki>''' yields:
{{clear}}
:::::Two pixels is enough to distort Template:Portalbox or Template:port.  Yours aye, [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh|talk]]) 14:03, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::The advantages of the use of a label= parameter in place of a break=yes parameter are:
:::*The link label can be broken any way desired.
:::*Abreviations can be used.
:::To illustrate:
{{portal|Commonwealth realms}}
:::'''<nowiki>{{portal|Commonwealth realms}}</nowiki>'''  yields:
{{clear}}
{{portal|Commonwealth realms|break=yes}}
:::'''<nowiki>{{portal|Commonwealth realms|break=yes}}</nowiki>'''  yields:
{{clear}}
<div class="noprint tright portal" style="border:solid #aaa 1px;margin:0.5em 0 0.5em 0.5em}}}};">
{| style="background:#f9f9f9; font-size:85%; line-height:110%; max-width:175px;"
|[[Image:Commonwealth Realms map2.png|60x24px]]
|style="padding:0 0.2em;"|<div style="text-align:center">'''''[[Portal:Commonwealth realms|Commonwealth<br/>realms portal]]'''''</div>
|}</div>
:::'''<nowiki>{{port|Commonwealth realms|label=Commonwealth<br/>realms portal}}</nowiki>'''  yields:
{{clear}}
{{portal|New South Wales}}
:::'''<nowiki>{{portal|New South Wales}}</nowiki>''' yields:
{{clear}}
<div class="noprint tright portal" style="border:solid #aaa 1px;margin:0.5em 0 0.5em 0.5em}}}};">
{| style="background:#f9f9f9; font-size:85%; line-height:110%; max-width:175px;"
|[[Image:Flag of New South Wales.svg|60x24px]]
|style="padding:0 0.2em;"|<div style="text-align:center">'''''[[Portal:New South Wales|NSW portal]]'''''</div>
|}</div>
:::'''<nowiki>{{port|New South Wales|label=NSW portal}}</nowiki>''' yields:
{{clear}}
:::Abbreviations will become more important when we create portals like Portal:United States Virgin Islands.  Yours aye, [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh|talk]]) 14:55, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::::At the moment the templates have a maxwidth of 175, this should make stuff break sensibly for example:
{{Portal|Professional wrestling}}
{{Portal|United States Virgin Islands}}
::::If we need 2 more pixels for the icons, then we should take 2 more pixels for all of them. (I am not even wholly sold on the idea of icons.)  Abbreviations are not a good idea, in my opinion, unless they are things like NATO, known almost exclusively by the abbreviation.  One of the joys of Wikipedia is exploring areas you are unfamiliar with, and even commonplace abbreviations in the US or UK might present a barrier to a fourteen year old student from a non-English speaking country.   ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 17:45, 24 May 2010 (UTC).
{{portal|NSW}}
::::If abbreviations are desired, you can use redirects: {{tlc|portal|NSW}} already works, because [[Portal:NSW]] redirects to [[Portal:New South Wales]] (it doesn't have NSW's flag as icon this way, but that can be sloved by redirecting [[Template:Portal/Images/Nsw]] to [[Template:Portal/Images/New south wales]]). [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 19:14, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::#Redirects can be avoided with a label= parameter, but the real value is flexibility with line breaks as shown above with Portal:Commonwealth realms.
::#The issue with borders is not boxsize, but effective image height for Template:Port and horizontal alignment for Template:Portalbox.
::#I also think the align=center feature is useful for horizontal alignment of the link label.  Yours aye, [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh|talk]]) 22:06, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

== A suggestion ==

One logical solution to this whole problem is to have three templates which perform somewhat differently.  Template:Portal and Template:Portalbox use a default image size of 32x28 pixels.  Template:Port creates linkboxes with a uniform effective image height of 24 pixels.  '''''Vive la différence!'''''  --[[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh|talk]]) 22:44, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:In one of the threads above, one of the things we were trying to achieve was to merge {{tlc|portal}} and {{tlc|portal box}}. We don't want to confuse editors with many different templates that do almost the same thing. If there was a template that would be used in rare circumstances, I guess that would be fine, but that's not the case here. [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 11:48, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:{{ec}} No, the logical solution would be to decide here which image size looks best and then to implement that. This keeps code centralised, the portal boxes consistent and ensures that related discussion happens in one place where everyone can participate. ''Vive le standardisation.'' &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 11:55, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::We can make Template:Portal a [[Swiss Army knife]] of templates, but at what cost?  Sometimes it is far simpler to divide up functionality into separate routines.  I've been writing code professionally for 39 years.  I would love to see the functionality of Template:Portalbox and Template:Port merged into Template:Portal, but the complexity may be prohibitive.  Yours aye, [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh|talk]]) 13:06, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::::The question is rather if we really need the ability to use different functions. I can see no point why some of these images should suddenly have a different image size on a per-article base. --[[User:The Evil IP address|The Evil IP address]] ([[User talk:The Evil IP address|talk]]) 17:53, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::My current view is that one additional template might be useful.  That would be {{Tl|Portal frameless}}.  It would be used when a portal tag was wanted inside another box (see [[Template:Infobox GB station]] for an example), and would be otherwise identical to {{Tl|Portal}}.  The syntax for both would be {Portal|<portal name 1>|<portal name 2>....}.  We use only free images, no link and no alt  (per accessibility and licensing requirements).  All the overrides for various  other features and parameters I believe are unused or virtually unused (I am checking on {{Tl|portal box}} now)<sup><small>see [[Template talk:Portal box]]</small></sup>, and can be dispensed with. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 17:57, 24 May 2010 (UTC).
:::Continuing the audit [[:Template:WPBannerMeta/taskforce]] uses height=15 and margin=0. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 00:00, 26 May 2010 (UTC).
::::That would need {{TL|Portal taskforce}}.  Virtually no other beneficial use of the parameters is made anywhere as far as I can see. Most of the links to the Indiana portal, for example used left=no which does nothing, and those to the Professional wrestling portal used "break=yes" which is not needed ,as with maxsize the text breaks there anyway. Math rating uses break for invocations  that use a small version of the template, but there are none. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 11:58, 11 June 2010 (UTC).
:::::There are several disadvantages to splitting this template and having to maintain separate versions of it, and I see no advantages. I support the idea of improving consistency. If this desire to remove all optional parameters is to prevent inappropriate usage of them in articles, then you could mention in the documentation that a particular parameter should not be used in articles, or even ''not mention it at all''. I remain opposed to having separate portal templates. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 12:03, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== Portal:China ==

{{portal|China}}
{{Portal|China}}

FYI, someone replaced the China image with the PRC flag, in all usages of [[Portal:China]]'s portal template. This is a different portal from [[Portal:People's Republic of China]], and from [[Portal:Republic of China]], which is different from [[Portal:Taiwan]].

[[Special:Contributions/76.66.193.224|76.66.193.224]] ([[User talk:76.66.193.224|talk]]) 00:57, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

:{{done}} someone has fixed it. [[Special:Contributions/76.66.193.224|76.66.193.224]] ([[User talk:76.66.193.224|talk]]) 02:38, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
::You're welcome.  --[[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh|talk]]) 13:42, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

== Portal:Republic of China ==

{{Portal|Republic of China}}
{{Portal|ROC}}
{{Portal|Taiwan}}

FYI, ROC and Taiwan have separate portals, why doesn't the ROC portal use the flag, like other country portals, and it's synonymous link? [[Special:Contributions/76.66.193.224|76.66.193.224]] ([[User talk:76.66.193.224|talk]]) 01:04, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

:Note: {{tl2|Portal|Taiwan}} uses the correct image for Taiwan Portal. [[Special:Contributions/76.66.193.224|76.66.193.224]] ([[User talk:76.66.193.224|talk]]) 01:08, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
::Fixed.  --[[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh|talk]]) 13:52, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
{{clear}}

== Portal:People's Republic of China ==

{{Portal|People's Republic of China}}
{{Portal|PRC}}

FYI, PRC doesn't have the flag that goes with the portal, unlike it's full name. [[Special:Contributions/76.66.193.224|76.66.193.224]] ([[User talk:76.66.193.224|talk]]) 01:07, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
::Fixed.  --[[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh|talk]]) 13:53, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
{{clear}}

== China ==

{{portal|China}}
'''<nowiki>{{portal|China}}</nowiki>''' yields:
{{clear}}
{{Portal|People's Republic of China}}
'''<nowiki>{{portal|People's Republic of China}}</nowiki>''' yields:
{{clear}}
{{Portal|PRC}}
'''<nowiki>{{portal|PRC}}</nowiki>''' yields:
{{clear}}
{{portal|Republic of China}}
'''<nowiki>{{portal|Republic of China}}</nowiki>''' yields:
{{clear}}
{{portal|ROC}}
'''<nowiki>{{portal|ROC}}</nowiki>''' yields:
{{clear}}
{{portal|Taiwan}}
'''<nowiki>{{portal|Taiwan}}</nowiki>''' yields:
{{clear}}
{{portal|People's Republic of China}}
'''<nowiki>{{People's Republic of China portal}}</nowiki>''' or '''<nowiki>{{PRC portal}}</nowiki>''' yields:
{{clear}}
{{portal|Republic of China}}
'''<nowiki>{{Republic of China portal}}</nowiki>''' or '''<nowiki>{{ROC portal}}</nowiki>''' yields:
{{clear}}
{{portal|Taiwan}}
'''<nowiki>{{Taiwan portal}}</nowiki>''' yields:
{{clear}}
--[[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh|talk]]) 14:49, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

== Image templates with default image ==

As an example, see [[Template:Portal/Images/Free software]]. We should delete such templates to make sure that, in case the default image should ever change, the image of this portal remains up to date. --[[User:The Evil IP address|The Evil IP address]] ([[User talk:The Evil IP address|talk]]) 18:31, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
{{Portal|Free software}}
:I made it into  a redirect, which should be standard practice I think, this prevents vandalism if it is a high use template (created on the fly and not protected). ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 05:49, 2 June 2010 (UTC).
::Right, that works too. --[[User:The Evil IP address|The Evil IP address]] ([[User talk:The Evil IP address|talk]]) 14:06, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

== U.S. state portal images ==

*[[Template:Portal/Images/Florida]] should contain the Flag of Florida.svg|border.
*[[Template:Portal/Images/State of Georgia]] should contain the Flag of Georgia (U.S. state).svg|border.
*[[Template:Portal/Images/Hawaii]] should contain the Flag of Hawaii.svg|border.
*[[Template:Portal/Images/Illinois]] should contain the Flag of Illinois.svg|border.
*[[Template:Portal/Images/Iowa]] should contain the Flag of Iowa.svg|border.
*[[Template:Portal/Images/Mississippi]] should contain the Flag of Mississippi.svg|border.
*[[Template:Portal/Images/Missouri]] should contain the Flag of Missouri.svg|border.
*[[Template:Portal/Images/Nevada]] should contain the Flag of Nevada.svg.
*[[Template:Portal/Images/New york]] should contain the Seal of New York 02.svg.
*[[Template:Portal/Images/North carolina]] should contain the Flag of North Carolina.svg|border.
*[[Template:Portal/Images/Rhode island]] should contain the Flag of Rhode Island.svg|border.
*[[Template:Portal/Images/Texas]] should contain the Flag of Texas.svg|border.
*[[Template:Portal/Images/Vermont]] should contain the Flag of Vermont.svg.
--[[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh|talk]]) 19:17, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
:: I see no objections, so now done.  Thanks! [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 06:28, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

== Deleting portal templates ==

Before deleting any more portal templates, please post a notice on the corresponding WikiProject for at least a few days.  Thanks, [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh|talk]]) 22:22, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

== Code error ==

As Template:Portal is currently written, the default size of 32 pixels is never invoked.  If both size and parameter 3 are missing, the size defaults to a height of 28 pixels.  If this is the intent, the 32 pixels should be removed from both the code and the documentation.  If this is not the intent, the code should be fixed.  I would like to modify [[Template:WPbox]] and [[Template:Lbox]] to conform to the same dimensions as Template:Portal, but this error confounds me.  --[[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh|talk]]) 20:32, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, I believe you are right: the default 32 is never invoked. I have removed it. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 07:44, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== Category:Templates with transitional syntax ==

Is the use of [[:Category:Templates with transitional syntax]] intended as preparation for eliminating the named parameters, eliminating the positional parameters, or merely an act of terrorism?  Yours aye, [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh|talk]]) 20:42, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
:I am concerned about this mass-"cleanup" and removal of parameters and see little discussion on this page to support these changes. I am thinking about removing all these tracking categories from the template until the case is made for removing each of them. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 12:06, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
::Is there a consensus that the named parameters should be eliminated?  Named parameters are generally considered more flexible than positional parameters.  If a template has more than five positional parameters, it is pretty hard to tell which position is which.  --[[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh|talk]]) 13:24, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
:::I have removed all the tracking categories for named parameters for now. I would not automatically oppose the removal of them, but a discussion and consensus is definitely needed before they are removed. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 16:03, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

== interwiki link request from Mahir78, 11 June 2010 ==

{{tlx|editprotected}}
<!-- Begin request -->
pls add [[:ta:வார்ப்புரு:வலைவாசல்]]
<!-- End request -->
[[User:Mahir78|Mahir78]] ([[User talk:Mahir78|talk]]) 12:10, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
:Can you please add it to the bottom of [[Template:Portal/doc]] which is not protected? Thanks &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 12:13, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
::Its protected from editing. [[User:Mahir78|Mahir78]] ([[User talk:Mahir78|talk]]) 12:21, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Sorry, so it was. For some reason [[Template:Portal frameless]] was cascade-protected which was protecting this page. I don't think this could be intentional, so I have removed it. Please try again. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 12:25, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks Martin. - [[User:Mahir78|Mahir78]] ([[User talk:Mahir78|talk]]) 12:33, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== from [[User talk:Buaidh#Portal]] ==

Sorry I misunderstood your use of the word "positional. Let me explain more fully.

The named parameters are flexible,and yes they are better than positional parameters for doing anything complex.  But the thrust here is simplicity:

# Very widely used template (nearly 3 million pages, well over 3 million uses I would estimate), therefore it should be simply implemented (despite a very old injunction by then tech. god Brion Vibber not to worry about performance).
# This is use on the article ages, therefore it should follow a consistent look and feel. 
# The template should be trivial to use.

So that's all very well, what are the confounding factors?  Here are the ones I have found. 

# Multiple portals - currently supported by {{Tl|Portal box}} - ideally they should be merged but to do that we need to get rid of the existing unlabelled (positional) parameters apart from <nowiki>{{{1}}}</nowiki>.
# Unusual but reasonable  - in terms of layout - uses of presentation parameters
# Not uniform with other "flag" templates such as WikiProject boxes, noticeboard boxes etc.

And here's what I propose to overcome those factors

# Remove all the old unlabelled (positional) parameters apart from <nowiki>{{{1}}}</nowiki> - this turned out to be much harder than expected
# Create and use two specific templates, one for task-forces in WikiProject banners, one for embedding in navboxen and infoboxen.
#* {{Tl|Portal frameless}} created and implemented
#* {{Tl|Portal taskforce}} created and implemented and de-implemented in case someone objects
# Create two new templates 9and more if needed)
#* {{Tl|Project}} (displacing the existing {{Tl|Project}} to {{Tl|Project header}} ) and
#* {{Tl|Notice board}} 
These should have the same basic layout as {{Tl|portal}}, and will use the same images, but can have any fancy parameters required, since they will not be used on articles.

Hoped for result:
# Articles (and talk page banners) are all consistent with one another.
# {{Tl|Portal}} becomes trivial to use, less of a resource hog, and easier to maintain.
# Creating a new set of navflags for each new portal/project/interest group becomes unnecessary.
 
(Even given that the above was all resolved there are still questions, some very basic, that this exercise has raised. For example I discovered that Portal:Lost had been deleted (the actual portal not a template) after a discussion, and the page redirected to the appropriate WikiProject.  All well and good, but articles were now linking to WikiProjects which is a [[WP:Selfref]] we are not supposed to do.)

This is a fairly straightforward process that should have taken a couple of days, instead I have spent the best part of a month on it, and I know a number of other people have been working on it too.  Oh well, I hope it will be worth it.  ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 13:52, 11 June 2010 (UTC).
:Are there any objections to Rich's grand plan?  While this plan has its virtues, it seems to me like a significant case of [[megalomania]].  Yours aye, [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh|talk]]) 14:42, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
::Well it's great to at last have some kind of proposal brought for consideration!! (And thanks to Buaidh for moving it to the proper place.) For the main I support the thrust for simplicity and consistency but have concerns about the way this is being achieved. I can support the move away from unnamed parameters except for {{{1}}}. However I do not see the need for any additional templates and would prefer to see this template handle all cases. The issue of performance should not be a concern because most articles do not show more than a handful of portals. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 15:58, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
:I'm confused (as usual.)  If Rich proposes removing all the positional parameters except parameter 1, why has Rich marked and removed the named parameters from invocations of Template:Portal?  Are there any parameters other than parameter 1 that you wish to keep?  --[[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh|talk]]) 17:40, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
::That's right, the only uses as far as I can tell are the taskforce mini-flags.  ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 00:07, 21 June 2010 (UTC).
*'''Comment''' Removing all named parameters will be good, so that it's real simple to use it and it's consistent all over the place. The second unnumbered parameter seems to be away already, so I'd say it's good time starting to remove the named ones. --[[User:The Evil IP address|The Evil IP address]] ([[User talk:The Evil IP address|talk]]) 16:43, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

== Problem with the flag of Finland ==

There seems to be a problem with {{tl|Portal/Images/Finland}}.  On {{tl|WikiProject Finland}} the portal icon is marked as being in error, but if you click on it, [[:File:Flag of Finland.svg]] is displayed correctly.  The image is configured with "border", but that shouldn't be a problem, compare {{tl|WikiProject Cyprus}}.  [[User:Favonian|Favonian]] ([[User talk:Favonian|talk]]) 11:09, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
:It's something odd with the x28 size.
{| class="wikitable"
!Size!!Image
|-
|x27px||[[Image:Flag of Finland.svg|border|x27px]]
|-
|x28px||[[Image:Flag of Finland.svg|border|x28px]]
|-
|x29px||[[Image:Flag of Finland.svg|border|x29px]]
|}
:-- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 13:16, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
::I [[WP:purge|purge]]d the file on commons and [[WP:BYC|bypassed my cache]] and the image shows correctly now. [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 14:13, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Yup, it looks fine now.  Thanks! [[User:Favonian|Favonian]] ([[User talk:Favonian|talk]]) 16:05, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

== About alt text ==

{{portal|Colorado}}
I have a question about recent changes of deleting "Templates" then the change in articles to <nowiki>{{portal|example}}</nowiki>. When this is done alt text is removed, so i take it alt text is no longer needed for portals - or is this something that will have to be re-added by hand?  [[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 01:28, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
:Alt text can be added centrally on the /Image/ subpage. For example see [[Template:Portal/Images/Colorado]]. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 08:47, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
::Ok will go back and add them all...the bot that did this has been blocked due to many problems -->[[User talk:SmackBot]] [[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 14:33, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Alt text is an accessibility issue, and should not be used for this kind of image as I understand it. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 15:06, 16 June 2010 (UTC).
:I've heard that too, but normally in conjunction with {{para|link}}. But if the link is required for attribution purposes, then surely some alt text is better than none? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 16:35, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
::I have talked to the FA guys and they have np with no Alttext for portal images [[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 18:37, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
:::We should really set the alternative text to <code>alt=</code> and not filling anything there. I checked it with [[Lynx]] already, where this is best. Otherwise, the mouseover or in the worst case, the file name of the image (for example "Heckert GNU white.svg" for the GFDL license plates) of the image will be shown to you. Since the image is purely decorative anyway, there's nothing that one misses here. --[[User:The Evil IP address|The Evil IP address]] ([[User talk:The Evil IP address|talk]]) 18:26, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

== East Timor ==

{{portal|East Timor}}
Could <code>| East Timor = Portal-puzzle.svg</code> be changed to <code>| East Timor = Flag of East Timor.svg</code> please? Thank you [[User:Tibullus|Tibullus]] ([[User talk:Tibullus|talk]]) 13:55, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:{{done|[[Template:Portal/Images/East timor|Done]]}} &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 14:01, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
::thank you [[User:Tibullus|Tibullus]] ([[User talk:Tibullus|talk]]) 23:12, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

== Image params ==

Now that there hasn't been many pages left in [[:Category:Templates with transitional syntax]] for a few weeks now, should this template be updated to remove the image parameter? Or perhaps even merging with {{tl|portal box}}. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 14:27, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:Sounds okay to me. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 14:52, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

== Portal ==

{{tl|editprotected}}
I'd like to request a couple of simple changes just for one of the portal image subpages:
*[[Template:Portal/Images/Hong kong]] be renamed to [[Template:Portal/Images/Hong Kong]] with the uppercase K.  I initially could not find this because I was typing in the uppercase K in the URL of my browser.
*[[Template:Portal/Images/Hong kong]] be changed to use [[:File:Hong Kong SAR Regional Emblem.svg]] instead of [[:File:Flag of Hong Kong.svg]].  The portal template for Hong Kong had initially used the emblem as an image instead of the flag.
:Thanks.  [[User:HongQiGong|Hong Qi Gong]] <small>([[User talk:HongQiGong|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/HongQiGong|Contribs]])</small> 13:45, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
:The naming of those pages is that all letters except the first are always lower-case. This is so that it doesn't matter whether you use {{tlc|Portal|Computer Science}} or {{tlc|portal|computer science}}. I realize this is not an issues with Hong Kong, but it's better to have it this way for all portals than for none of them. [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 14:10, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
::I'm very confused as to why it has to be all or nothing.  Couldn't we name them like article naming, where proper names are in all uppercase and everything else only has the first word in uppercase?  Anyway it's not a big deal, but if we must stick to this policy, you will have to rename the following:
**[[Template:Portal/Images/Ancient Germanic culture]]
**[[Template:Portal/Images/Georgia USA]]
**[[Template:Portal/Images/Greater Los Angeles]]
**[[Template:Portal/Images/Hispanic and Latino American]]
**[[Template:Portal/Images/Hispanic and Latino Americans]]
**[[Template:Portal/Images/Lady Gaga]]
**[[Template:Portal/Images/Metro Detroit]]
**[[Template:Portal/Images/Metropolitan Manila]]
**[[Template:Portal/Images/San Diego County]]
**[[Template:Portal/Images/State of Georgia]]
**[[Template:Portal/Images/U.S. Roads]]
**[[Template:Portal/Images/U.S. Virgin Islands]]
**[[Template:Portal/Images/US Roads]]
::[[User:HongQiGong|Hong Qi Gong]] <small>([[User talk:HongQiGong|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/HongQiGong|Contribs]])</small> 15:08, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
::This whole system is backwards...this is the only template that has LOST its user abilities...Only place i see were we are going in revers as to parameters being lost. Not sure y the original system was stoped now we have noting but problems - blank picture templates (i see 110 have lost there image and noone cares)- wrong names (56 i see so far) - missing alttext (just randonly deleted form 89 portals) - redirects that go no were ( now we have 32)....etc...This new system is the only one that is being less and less adaptable most templates grow with age ..but not here only gets less and less parameters.   [[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 15:12, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
:::We just need an admin to take away the cascading option in the protection of the template. Then users can edit the subpages for individual portals. But yeah, I know what you mean. This probably came out of yet another irrational need to standardise things on WP when it's utterly unnecessary. [[User:HongQiGong|Hong Qi Gong]] <small>([[User talk:HongQiGong|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/HongQiGong|Contribs]])</small> 15:18, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
::::[[File:Padlock-dash2.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' requests for changes to the page protection level should be made at [[Wikipedia:Requests for page protection]].<!-- Template:EP --> <small>--[[User:Anowlin|ANowlin]]: [[User talk:Anowlin|talk]]</small> 01:53, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Oh forget it.  I'll just get around it somehow.  [[User:HongQiGong|Hong Qi Gong]] <small>([[User talk:HongQiGong|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/HongQiGong|Contribs]])</small> 13:37, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

== Keeping track ==

I am just wondering if someone or something is keeping track of all the portals that still need there pictures fixed/replaced. I mean all those that got deleted in the conversion process and now use the stranded icon. I would be willing  to help with this as i cant stand to see blanked portals and my edits to add the portal images back keeps getting deleted by this wonderful bot you guys are using. I have a small list  that are waiting to have the images put back and know of many more...can they not be done when that are converted in the first place? From what i can tell if they did not have a template to be deleted and the images were simply in the Portal template  they seem to have been forgotten about.[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 04:05, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

:Ok never mind i found the list..i will go by [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Portal/Images/Default&limit=500] so i simply have to make a page called [[Template:Portal/Images/PortalName]] and add the pic to that page - without using the '''File:''' par but rather just the name of the file right??[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 04:22, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
::Correct! &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 09:37, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
::::I an having a bit of a problem...So i am doing work just fine like [[Template:Portal/Images/Martial arts]] and [Template:Portal/Images/Atmosphere]] -- however some are not like [[Template:Portal/Images/Hamilton, Ontario]], [[Template:Portal/Images/The Beach Boys]] and [[Template:Portal/Images/Shania Twain]] could you show me what is wrong ..is it the type of file?? is there a redirect i must convert? i am just a  moron and don't know how to sPeLl? just not sure y some work and some dont.[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 17:03, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::All the names need to have an uppercase first letter and the rest in lowercase. I've moved your three issues to [[Template:Portal/Images/Hamilton, ontario]], [[Template:Portal/Images/The beach boys]] and [[Template:Portal/Images/Shania twain]] and they now work. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 17:16, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Well thank you ....i will continue to add fairuse images to this portals...[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 17:19, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
::::Got one i cant fix---> [[Template:Portal/Images/AC/DC]] - [[Template:Portal/Images/Ac dc]].[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 14:27, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
{{portal|AC/DC}}
:::::{{fixed}}. It should have been at [[Template:Portal/Images/Ac/dc]]. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 14:49, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

== Update change ==

Can someone please update the change to recent move of [[Portal:Children's literature]]? Thank you for your time, -- '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 09:56, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:Odd, somehow this appears to be fixed. Oh well, -- '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 10:14, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::Was WOSlinker who [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Portal/Images/Children%27s_literature&diff=391213922&oldid=385696317 moved] it for you. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 21:20, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh, thank you! :) -- '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 11:35, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

== Bacon ==

Please list this somewheres: [[Template:Portal/Images/Bacon]]. Thank you, -- '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 11:35, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
:It's automatically listed at [[Template:Portal/Images#B]]. Or did you mean something else? [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 22:14, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

== Portal LGBT ==

{{portal|LGBT}}
{{tlx|editprotected}}
Could [[Template:Portal/Images/Lgbt]] be changed to "Nuvola LGBT flag borderless.svg"? Thanks. --[[User:Morn|Morn]] ([[User talk:Morn|talk]]) 11:20, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
:{{done}} &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 11:41, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

== Fix Template:Portal for parameter boxsize ==

{{tlx|editprotected|Template:Portal}}
The parameter "boxsize" as used in any <nowiki>{{Portal|test|boxsize=90}}</nowiki> is being used with mismatched braces, ending with only 2 braces "}}" rather than 3 "}}}" as if invoking Template:boxsize. Fix the 11th line to add another closing "}":
::* OLD: <code><nowiki>|width:{{{boxsize|}}px;</nowiki></code>
::* NEW: <code><nowiki>|width:{{{boxsize|}}}px;</nowiki></code>
{{Portal|test|boxsize=90}}
Once corrected, the <nowiki>{{Portal|test|boxsize=90}}</nowiki> box shown here, during edit preview, will no longer list redlink "<span style="color: red">'''''Template:Boxsize'''''</span>" in the list of templates used (at the end of an edit-preview page).

The problem only occurred when passing parameter "{Portal...|boxsize=nn}" and, hence, most portal links did not list redlink "Template:Boxsize" during article edits. -[[User:Wikid77|Wikid77]] ([[User talk:Wikid77|talk]]) 11:28, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

:{{done}}. Now fixed. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 13:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
== Projects that do not use a See also section ==

The [[WP:MEDMOS]] deprecates See also sections, so another place option is necessary for portal links in general, including this format. There is a discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Medicine-related articles]] where we are trying to come to a consensus. [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter (Southwood)]] [[User talk:Pbsouthwood|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]: 08:14, 10 June 2012 (UTC)