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== Towards making this a fully active WikiProject ==
{{Resolved|1=Long since accomplished.}}
Any and all input welcome while the initial drafting of this WikiProject is in progress (and aftwards too, of course!) &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 09:02, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:I think you're doing a great job. The style guideline is well thought out and absolutely needed. I think the proposed project is far enough along that you should go ahead and post it as a project. I just worry that there aren't enough people with the specialized knowledge necessary to participate. Have you though of making a list of wanted articles on player profiles? We don't even have articles on many of the best and most famous players in the world presently and in the past. If you started such a section I can add much detail. --[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] 14:11, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

::Hey, bro, even if it's just me and you, having a WikiProject to store a Todo list, templates, etc., would be a big help!  As for player profiles, that should certainly get in there.  I've been so concerned with the sorry state of the main articles on the games themselves and their organization that I hadn't gone there yet, though I did adapt (in draft form) the snooker player profile template for pool players (need to do so again for carom players, etc.)  It's a start...  There's still a lot of <nowiki>[[Category:...]]</nowiki> and <nowiki>{{cuesports-stub}}</nowiki> cleanup to do on existing player articles, many of the former of which can be found in &#91;what is presently named&#93; [[:Category:Billiards, snooker and pool stubs]]. Lots of articles in there that are not yet cat'd under &#91;what is presently named&#93; [[:Category:Billiards]] or any non-stub sub-cat thereof yet.

::> We don't even have articles on many of the best and most famous players in the world<br />Yep.  It's a sad state.  But with templates (in the Wikipedia sense) and article "templates" (in the "fill-in-the-blanks" sense) I think that will be much easier to deal with down the road.  Ironically I literally right now am having a 9' pool table installed, and also have family arriving today for the (US) Thanksgiving hollerday period, so I may be out the gap for a bit, but I should be around and back at this some time next week.

::OH! If you've not already added your name to <s>[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Cue sports]]</s> and <s>[[User:SMcCandlish/WikiProject Cue sports#Participants]]</s> please do!  It wouldn't hurt to post something, anything, to the <s>[[User:SMcCandlish/WikiProject Cue sports]]</s> and subpages' talk pages, just to a) give evidence that there's interest and the ball's already rolling (no pun intended), and b) to actually record suggestions for improvements, etc.  E.g., adding in a recommendation to put a players section as a high priority item in the WikiProject; given the upcoming shindig at my place, I might even forget!  :-).  Also, at <s>[[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion#Add requests for speedy renaming here]]</s> there is one, and at [[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 November 16]] (1.<s>14</s>, <s>32</s>, <s>33</s>, <s>36</s>, and ''especially <s>35</s> and <s>13</s>'') there are several, cue sports-related category move/delete items that <s>could use a supporting "vote"</s>, and also a conforming rename at <s>[[Wikipedia:Requested moves#Uncontroversial proposals]]</s>.  I'm a little concerned that my "one-man show" attempts over the last several days to clean up this entire article space may rub some people the wrong way if at least one other person doesn't seem to be in consistent favor.
::PS: "Dabbler in three cushion (high run 13)."  Very impressive! My high run is 2 &lt;pout&gt;  I think even that was blind luck.  Heh.  &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 18:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:I don't think you need to worry about rubbing people the wrong way--sad as it may be, I may be the only other Wikipedian who has edited in this topic across many articles so there's no one to get upset:-( By the by, I originally wrote [[Billiard techniques]] in the main article on billiards which, like the glossary I wrote, got forked off. I don't think the name the forker used works. Any suggestions?--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] 19:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
::Pretty please?  It would just take a few minutes.  I should disclose that I have some "enemies" on WP, because I am a very outspoken [[M:Inclusionism|Inclusionist]]; there are people who will happily attack things I propose (if they notice them) if I don't have active supporters.  Personal vendatta crud aside, I agree that between you and me we're the only regular editors of non-snooker topics; but there are active snooker topic editors and they are largely the ones making waves when it comes to moves and renames.  As for [[Billiard techniques]] I agree that's a dreadful name (sounds like "techniques for scoring points in carom games").  What about [[Cue sports technique]]?  I'm thinking also another fork, to [[Cue sports equipment]], at least as a category if not a 2nd-level meta-article under [[Billiards]] &#91;&rArr;[[Cue sports]] soon!&#93;, to keep the "master" cue sports meta-article leaner and under the recommended max article length.  I think "Main article at <nowiki>[[whatever]]</nowiki>" is a Good Thing. :-)  At least when it is done properly.  &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 21:13, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

== Totally overhauled [[Three-ball]] article! ==
{{Resolved|Just an FYI.}}
:''&#91;Moved from [[:Talk:Cue sport]].&#93;'' 
I'd worked up a draft article several months ago on [[three-ball]], then someone else put up a very skeletal public one (that nonetheless had info mine didn't.)  I've merged and expanded them into the current public article, with citations to several (not very authoritative) sources.  Additional source citations supporting a) various consensus points about what the overall rules of the game are, and b) several unsourced facts, would be very appreciated. &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 23:40, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
:Note: Marked this topic "resolved" since that article has its own talk page for any further discussion. &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 01:32, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


== Proposal to move [[Billiards]] to [[Cue sport]] & make [[Billiards]] a disambig ==
{{Resolved|[[Billiards]] is a redirect to [[Cue sport]]}}
Two related proposals:

*''Rename [[Billiards]] (the present generic cue sports article) to [[Cue sport]] (and make [[Cuesports]] redirect there), with corresponding renames to relevant categories.'' Rationale: The term "billiards" only means "cue sports in general" to Americans (and perhaps a few others).  To most Europeans and non-British [[Commonwealth English]] speakers, it means "the family of [[carom billiards]] games", while to most of the British it means "the specific pocket billiards game '[[English billiards]]".  This is a serious problem, and people are already complaining about it (e.g. in [[Talk:Billiards]], and [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006 November 16#Category:Pool and Snooker computer games|Categories_for_deletion/.../Pool and Snooker computer games]].
:* Conforming move: ''Create a [[Billiards]] disambiguation page (and [[Billiard]] redirect to it).''

Thoughts?   &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 09:02, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

*'''Support''' the renaming of the article, as I believe the [[worldwide view]] is described above. It would also be more encyclopedic to present it this way. 
:Question: This would mean that "Billiards" would still have its own article, only about the family of carom games, correct? --[[User:ChaChaFut|ChaChaFut]] 02:26, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

:: I'd say that's an open question.  The word would certainly still work in Wikipedia; but at least for the nonce I think it should go to [[Cue sport]], just so as to not freak anyone out.  The "issue" is that to MOST American's it means "cue sports in general"; to SOME Americans and most Europeans, Australians, Canadians, Irish Republic citizens, etc., it means "carom billiards games", and to most English, Northern Irish, Scottish, and Welsh, it means "the specific game of English billiards", from what I can gather.  I'm not even certain that I'm completely accurate in this assessment's details, only in the fact that the term means at least three different things depending on what one's background is. &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 11:56, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''' the name change. I created the billiards article definitional header to address this very problem. Regarding the preceding post, I'm not sure. The problem is, as noted previously, that ''Billiards'' means different things in different places. If we make "billiards" into an article on the carom games that leads to the same problem—in England it refers solely to English Billiards. In Belgium it refers solely to three cushion, etc. I think the best way to go is to have the carom games under the umbrella [[Carom billiards]] and make billiards into a disambiguation page, with Cue sports as the lead post, followed by the descendant articles.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] 05:07, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' &mdash; The rename is being warmly debated at [[Talk:Billiards#Move of this artcle to "Cue sport"]]. &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 22:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' &mdash; It's been over a week now; any further input? &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 12:09, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
===Remaining problem with the disambig proposal===
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I don't think that was thought through too carefully by any of us.  It turns out that hundreds and hundreds of articles link to [[Billiards]] when trying to refer to some form of cue sport.  Actually making "Billiards" (with the -s) be a disambig. page will not actually serve anyone particularly well.  The [[Billiard]] (no -s) ''is'' now a useful disambig page, and "Billiards" redirs to [[Cue sport]], which has a standardized disambig note at the top directing people to [[Billiard]] if they aren't seeing what it is they were looking for.  Is this good enough for everyone? &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 09:45, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

== Disambiguation & move results ==
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Here's my tally of the consensus at [[Talk:Billiards]] and [[Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Cue sports]] on two closely-bound proposals.  Feel free to correct it if you think something in it is inaccurate:

;Making the search term/wikilink <nowiki>[[Billiards]]</nowiki> go to a disambiguation page
(i.e. ''create'' a disambiguation page and move [[Billiards]] out of the way.)

* [[User:Robert A West]], '''opposes''', but recognizes the ambiguity problem and suggests making it a [[WP:SUMMARY|summary style]] article
* All others '''support''' ([[User:SMcCandlish]] initially opposed, and suggested it redir to [[Cue sport]], with a new <nowiki>[[Billiard (disambiguation)]]</nowiki>, but rescinded this idea.)

;Renaming the present [[Billiards]] article (i.e. the content) to [[Cue sport]]
(to make room for the dab page and provide a non-ambiguous top level article name; make redirs to it from "cue sports", "cuesport", etc.)

* [[User:SMcCandlish]] '''supports''' without reservation, and opposes "Billiard-type games", "Billiard family games", etc.
* [[User:Robert A West]] '''opposes''', but favors "Billiard-type games", "Billiard family games", etc.
* [[User:Anþony]] '''supports''', with the caveat that use of the term shouldn't be too overboard
* [[User:Alai]] '''somewhat supports''', but favors "Billiard-type games", "Billiard family games", etc.
* [[User:Septentrionalis]] '''somewhat opposes''' ("doubt the usefulness"), but recognizes the ambiguity, without suggesting an alternative name
* [[User:ChaChaFut]] '''supports''', with a reservation rendered moot by the consensus on the disambiguation page idea
* [[User:Fuhghettaboutit]] '''supports''' without reservation

;Results:
There's broad consensus to make <nowiki>[[Billiards]]</nowiki> go to a disambiguation page, which ''necessitates'' that we arrive at consensus about what to call the extant article at [[Billiards]].  On that topic, there's a solid bloc of support for [[Cue sport]], with non-controversial caveats, and one fervent opponent.  The other alternatives proposed thus far all have "billiard(s)" in them, opening the question of whether they can still be unambiguous enough to use.

'''Arguments against <nowiki>[[Cue sport]]</nowiki>:'''
* "Cue sport(s)" isn't a recognized enough term (too new, not used broadly enough, or both).
* "Cue sports" aren't really sports, just games; the industry is just pushing them as "sports".
* Someone might think it means games involving verbal or gestural cues, like charades.
* "Billiard games", "billiard-family games", etc., aren't really ambiguous because they're generalized terms.

'''Arguments for <nowiki>[[Cue sport]]</nowiki>:'''
* It is used internationally in the sport/industry with a more consistent meaning than any other term, and is a general classifier like "water sports" that is not ambiguous (well, until you think dirty >;-)
* [[George Carlin]]'s assertion that it's not a sport unless you could get killed aside, all sports are "games"; cue sports are games of physical skill competed in by professionals at regional, national and international levels, with "regulating" organizations, so they are clearly sports. 
* It is easily understood simply from its word parts; charades isn't a sport, so no confusion will result.
* "Billiard games", "billiard-family games", etc., are ambiguous because many speakers on both sides of the Atlantic don't use the term "billiard(s)" to mean cue sports in general at all (British readers who vehemently deny that snooker is a form of billiards, Americans who think it means and must always mean carom, etc.), putting us right back where we started. &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 18:50, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

So now what?  I'm not an admin or arbitrator and I don't feel I'm in a position to "declare" consensus, but will opine that I feel that the consensus leanings are strongly toward the rename.  If anyone feels their positions have been miscast, I'll be happy to correct the above stuff, or you can just do it yourself of course.  &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 18:43, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

== [[Lee Van Corteza]] AfD ==
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[[Lee Van Corteza]]'s article is up for AfD (deletion). Please give your opinion at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lee Van Corteza]]. [[User:SportsAddicted|'''SportsAddicted''']] | [[User talk:SportsAddicted|<span style="font-size:smaller; color:dimgray;">discuss</span>]] 22:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

:The [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lee Van Corteza|result was '''keep''']]. &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 12:06, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

== Stub templates and categories ==
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As part of [[WP:WSS|WikiProject Stub sorting]], I would like to ask you all to participate in the [[Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/2006/December/28#Cue_sports_mess|SFD discussion]] that is going on regarding the stub templates and categories for this project.  It's kind of a big mess right now and I would like to straighten things out.  Thanks.  [[User:Amalas|<b style="color:maroon;">~ Amalas</b>]] [[User talk:Amalas|<span style="color:navy;">rawr</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Amalas|<sup style="color:navy;">=^_^=</sup>]] 21:21, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
*The results of the discussion are as follows:
:{{tl|cuesport-stub}} / {{cl|Cue sport stubs}}
I also noticed a template in the Wikipedia namespace ([[Wikipedia:WikiProject Cue sports/Template:Cuesports-bio-stub]]) that you might want to propose at the [[WP:WSS/P|WikiProject Stub sorting Proposals page]].  I would recommend using {{tl|cuesport-bio-stub}} to match {{tl|cuesport-stub}} You could then move it into the template namespace and it could be upmerged into {{cl|Cue sport stubs}} (similar to {{tl|snooker-bio-stub}}).  If you have any questions, let me know.  I'd be glad to do it myself if you'd like.  [[User:Amalas|<b style="color:maroon;">~ Amalas</b>]] [[User talk:Amalas|<span style="color:navy;">rawr</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Amalas|<sup style="color:navy;">=^_^=</sup>]] 17:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
:Marking this topic "Resolved" as it's all been taken to [[WP:SfD]] and [[WP:WPSS/P]]. &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 03:34, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

== New [[Template:Cuegloss]] to make Glossary wikilinks easier ==
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Just created the {{tl|Cuegloss}} template.  See that page for template documentation.  Basically, it makes is much easier to create terminology wikilinks to the [[Glossary of cue sports terms]] without having to keep typing such a long article name.  If anyone is feeling gnomish, the extant links of that sort can be converted to this template at will; doing so will help alert editors that the template even exists and how it is used. &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 01:08, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
::NB: This template should '''not''' be subst'ed; doing so will completely defeat the entire purposes of the template. &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 01:16, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
:::Marking topic "Resolved" since that template has its own talk page for further discussion.  [[User:Armbrust|Armbrust]] ([[User talk:Armbrust|talk]]) 10:49, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

==New [[:Template:Cue sports nav]], a navigation box for all relevant article pages==
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See the [[WP:CUE#Navigation]] section for details.  See also other new templates at [[WP:CUE#Templates]].  Some of them are still drafts and ''need input''. &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 01:18, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
:Marking topic "Resolved" since that template has its own talk page for further discussion.  [[User:Armbrust|Armbrust]] ([[User talk:Armbrust|talk]]) 10:49, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

==Please support the category cleanup==
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[[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 February 2#Category:Billiards]] <s>could use some supporting "'''Rename'''" !votes</s>. &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 13:18, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Here [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2007/February]] also, at "<nowiki>{{Cue-sports-bio-stub}}</nowiki> + conforming twiddles". &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 15:13, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

:''<s>I could still use some help on this, especially the latter one.  '''Just a moment of your time to say "per nom"'''.</s>''  &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 21:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

==ALERT! [[:Alfredo DeOro]] AfD==
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A meritless AfD against ol' Freddie has been filed.  Please oppose it here: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alfredo DeOro]] &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 00:52, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
:Article was Kept.  Should have been Speedily Kept, since the deletion nomination was in blatant bad faith, but oh well. &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 02:53, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

==Interesting patent sources==
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:''&#91;This thread was refactored in from [[User talk:SMcCandlish]] since it is more salient here.&#93;''
I am writing ''[[Baseball pocket billiards]]''. In my search for sources I came across [http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5350171&id=cEonAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=%22baseball+pocket+billiards%22#PPA2-IA1,M1 this patent application for a new game called "BLAZZ"]. Thought you might find it interesting (not the game itself, but the existence and methodology of the patent application).--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] 14:35, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
:The format it is nice, the way Google does it in that PDF frame (well, nice if you have a PDF plugin installed, but I would think most of us do at this point).  The text itself was also interesting in that it indicated that the 1974 ver. of the BCA rulebook includes games not listed in the later versions.  Time to look for a copy! &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 16:04, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
::Glad you pointed that out. Can't find the 1974 edition, but earlier editions would likely have the same different material right? I just ordered the 1970 edition from [http://amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/104-5044791-7010339?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=%22the+official+rule+book+for+all+pocket+%26+carom+billiard+games%22 amazon].--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] 16:43, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
:::And I just got the '71! I think we were both doing that pretty much simultaneously.  Anyway, yeah, I figure any version at least as old as 1974 should have that material.  I've been meaning to add something somewhere about the differences between the World Std.ized Rules and the old ones, anyway, so that'll come in handy for that as well. &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 16:48, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

==Cleanup progress==
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All the idenfied cue sports stubs that were bios have now been tagged with the new {{tl|Cue-sports-bio-stub}} tag, which sorts them into the new [[:Category:Cue sports biography stubs]].  The parent category is weirdly named [[:Category:Cue sport stubs]]; I've opened a SfD [[Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/2007/February/26|here]] that will resolve that typo.  Please support the move at the SfD.  This is the ''last'' of the needed category renames. &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 02:52, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

== Backlog at this page ==
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I'm not sure this page should have a backlog tag on it... happy to be persuaded otherwise. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 11:40, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
:Was in reference to our incredibly huge [[WP:CUETODO|to-do list]], which is technically a transclude. &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 12:26, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
:NB: The template feeds into [[:Category:Wikipedia backlog]], which is general/everyone, not [[:Category:Administrative backlog]], so I don't see an issue with it myself. Is it causing a problem of some kind? &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 12:33, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
::It seems someone else had a problem with it - it's been removed. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 14:53, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Oh well. Didn't seem to be having any effect like attracting "I'm bored and want to do something constructive" editors, so no big loss. &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 00:20, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

==Book recommendation==
{{Resolved|1=Self-resolving commentary.}}
Considering what a goldmine Shamos' encyclopedia is, I picked up another book by him. Wow! You want an overview of the entire sport, you have to get this. Pool: History, Strategies and legacies ([http://www.amazon.com/Pool-Strategies-Michael-Ian-Shamos/dp/1567990614/ref=sr_1_7/102-2919413-7597714?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1173324353&sr=1-7 Amazon listing, if you're interested]).--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] 03:28, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks, sounds good.  Just ordered one (for $7, not $64, heh). &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 03:53, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

==Good resource==
{{Resolved|1=Self-resolving commentary.}}
If you are looking for a free online newpaper resource for articles, I just found a new one (other than the NYT which I don't pay for). Note that I have searched high and low and there are very few free archives available. The [[Brooklyn Daily Eagle]], apparently one of the most popular papers in the country at one times and headed by Walt Whitman for a time has a free online archive from 1841 to 1902 at http://www.brooklynpubliclibrary.org/eagle/. Type in billiards and you'll see pahe after page of results for example.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] 18:58, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

:Cool!  How do you get the full NYT articles then? &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 19:30, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
::If you have a home subscription, you don't pay for any of their premium online services (so in a sense it's not free per se). You are restricted to 100 archive articles per month but I've never even come close to using that up.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] 19:40, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

==New Categories==
{{Resolved|Category was deleted}}
{{cl|Cue sports celebrity amateur players}} (and more specific subcategories thereof, which are the ones that should actually be used; the top-level one is just a subcat container).  Intended for bio articles of people notable for something else (e.g. [[Jackie Gleason]] and [[Jerry Orbach]]), not for am players who are notable for being am players, and probably should not be added to an article that does not sourceably document the subject's ardent involvement in pool or whatever.  I believe this category will obviate any need to maintain a list of such people, which was already being questioned over at [[Talk:Cue sport]]. &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 09:26, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:These are up for CfD in [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007_April_28#Category:Snooker celebrity amateur players|a nomination]] that has been in my view improperly expanded from a single (for the empty snooker one) to multiple days after the fact, without CfD tags on them.  Could use some additional input from the project over there. — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span></b> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]&#93;  <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> 09:20, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

== Notice: Zanetti article being AfD'd ==
{{Resolved|1=Article was not deleted.}}
[[:Marco Zanetti]] (UMB three-cushion world champion) has been taken to AfD: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marco Zanetti]]. — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span></b> &#91;[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]&#93;  <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> 02:44, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

== Nine-ball overhaul ==
{{Resolved|Just a note}}
''Major'' changes have been made to the [[:Nine-ball]] article, including addition of lots of sourced material, esp. on European rules changes that are starting to seep into international competition, addition of more derived games, plus some general restructuring and cleanup. — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span></b> &#91;[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]&#93;  <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> 20:53, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

==Troco==
{{Resolved|Just a note}}
I am not an expert on cue sports, but I am interested in Elizabethan passtimes, and I have started an article on [[troco]] which I have tagged for your project. - [[User:PKM|PKM]] ([[User talk:PKM|talk]]) 17:53, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

:Cool!  Oh, you really, really, really want to get Mike Shamos's ''The New Illustrated Encyclopedia of Billiards'' (you can sometimes get it for as cheap as $4 used from Amazon.com), as it chock full of info on virtually every pre-1900s billiards-like game of this sort.

==Merge WP:SNOOKER and WP:CUE?==
{{Resolved|No consensus for merge.}}
What do we think of the idea of merging [[WP:SNOOKER]] into [[WP:CUE]] as task force?  I don't think this would affect day-to-day operations in any way at all (e.g. the snooker project tags wouldn't be deleted or anything, just modified to point to the right place), would make [[WP:COUNCIL]] happy (they prefer it if closely-related projects merge), and (why I'm proposing it) would give us a larger, merged list of participants with a centralized talk page and help keep both projects active, not tagged with {{tl|Inactive}} nor sent to [[WP:MFD]]. — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span></b> &#91;[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]&#93;  <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> 09:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== Articles flagged for cleanup ==
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Currently, 261 articles are assigned to this project, of which 137, or 52.5%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of {{date|2008-07-14}}.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See [[User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings]] for details. More than 150 projects and work groups [[:Category:WolterBot cleanup listing subscriptions|have already subscribed]], and adding a subscription for yours is easy - just place the following template on your project page:

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== Eddy Merckx ==
{{Resolved|The article about the cyclist was moved back, and hints to the billiards player)}}
Hello cue sports fanatics!

As you might know, the name Eddy Merckx is in use by (at least) two persons: [[Eddy Merckx (billiards player)]] and [[Eddy Merckx (cyclist)]]. Until recently, the article [[Eddy Merckx]] was about the cyclist, but recently it has been changed into a disamb page, and a [[Talk:Eddy Merckx|discussion]] is going on if that was a good move. I think the cyclist is the primary use, see the discussion for some arguments. I just want to point you to the discussion, it would be good to have somebody from the cue sports project give some arguments. Even if you don't agree with me ;) --[[User:EdgeNavidad|EdgeNavidad]] ([[User talk:EdgeNavidad|talk]]) 13:20, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

== Coordinators' working group ==
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== CfD issue needs input ==
{{Resolved|1=Finally settled as "keep".}}
Please see [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 April 13#Category:Female pool players]]. This is the third time this particular category has been up at CfD, as it keeps closing without consensus. This time it should close with a clear consensus, one way or the other, as it has high precedent value with regard to whether categories should be broadly gender-divided (e.g. a [[:Category:Female snooker players]], [[:Category:Female carom billiards players]], etc.). — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span></b> &#91;[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]&#93;  <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> 22:13, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

==Does your WikiProject care about talk pages of redirects?==
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==Frequently asked questions==
#<span id="FAQ1" ></span>Why is the main article name [[Cue sport]] instead of [[Billiards]]?
#:A.  Because "billiards" has too many meanings.  To most Americans it means "[[pocket billiards|pool]]". To topically knowledgeable Americans it quite conversely more often means "[[carom billiards]]".  To yet other Americans, and most people in the industry regardless of nationality, it means "[[cue sport]]s in general".  To English-speaking continental Europeans, it generally means "[[carom billiards]]" exclusively.  To the British, it almost always means "the specific game of [[English billiards]]".  Historically it has also meant different things, such as carom, pool and [[bagatelle]] games played with a golf-club like proto-cue called the "mace".  Until the late 19th century in America, it mostly meant [[American four-ball billiards]].  And so on.  This multi-level ambiguity problem means that the core article on cue sports as a general, encompassing topic needs to be [[cue sports]], while the article on English billiards is at [[English billiards]], etc.  The term "cue sports" is generally not used much in other articles, where the ambiguity is unlikely to be problematic, as at [[Billiard ball]] and [[Billiards table]].  Also, "cue sports" encompasses a few games that are not billiards-family games but are played with a cue, such as some variants of the disks-on-a-board game, [[carrom]], and the related [[novuss]].
#<span id="FAQ2" ></span>Why is ''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Snooker|WikiProject Snooker]]'' a separate project instead of a taskforce of this one?
#:A.  For several reasons. It predates ''WikiProject Cue sports'' considerably.  While this is not by itself the most compelling of reasons to ''remain'' separate, there are others.  [[WP:SNOOKER]]'s membership has very little overlap with that of [[WP:CUE]], and participants in the former are almost exclusively focused on snooker topics, with little interest in the broader scope of cue sports, modern or historical.  By contrast, while many WP:CUE participants are as theoretically interested in [[snooker]] as they are in [[Cowboy pool]] or [[straight rail]], they do not have the depth of involvement and background to be principal organizers of the snooker articlespace, with all of its player statistics changing all the time; that requires dedicated snooker fans.  This does not mean that new WikiProjects should be formed for every major cue sport.  Snooker is a ''huge'' world-wide phenomenon, and is the most televised and most watched of the entire class of these games.  While [[eight-ball]] and [[nine-ball]] are very popular internationally as well, they are really simply variants of pool more generally, and most practioners (and fans) of one are of the other, and more besides such as [[one-pocket]] and [[bank pool]]. It is a more diffuse area of coverage, and so WP:CUE itself is well-equiped to handle the relevant articles' needs.  However, some proposals for WikiProject reform would eventually force WP:SNOOKER to become a WP:CUESPORTS task force.  That doesn't look to be any time soon (nor even particularly likely) as of this writing (July 2007).
#<span id="FAQ3" ></span>What should I do about terminology in articles? I know we're suppose to wikilink a lot, but link to ''what''?
#:A.  This one is easy!  We have a large [[glossary of cue sports terms]].  That's a long article name, but don't worry - you don't have to type it.  You can use the simple inline [[Template:Cuegloss]], which works like this: <code><nowiki>...if the {{Cuegloss|Cue ball|cue ball}} is {{Cuegloss|Scratch|scratched}}...</nowiki></code> will display as "...if the {{Cuegloss|Cue ball|cue ball}} is {{Cuegloss|Scratch|scratched}}..."
#<span id="FAQ4" ></span>How do I categorize the player article I've just written, about a Canadian snooker ''and'' pool player, who is also a noted pool and snooker TV commentator?
#:As with any article, put the person into every relevant category: [[:Category:Canadian snooker players]], [[:Category:Canadian pool players]], [[:Category:Snooker non-player personalities]], [[:Category:Cue sports non-player personalities]]. (There may be more specific such categories over time.)

== Historical info ==
Regarding the billiards article, I have been meaning to start reworking it into a history of billiards but the main source I would think to start working from, The Billiard Encyclopeda (Victor Stein, Paul Rubino) was borrowed by a friend and never returned. I gathered you were an "inclusionist" (as you so label yourself). I am the main author of [[Wikipedia:Notability (books)]] and noted your comments. I really hate the label deletionist and, parenthetically, have fought hard at times to keep certain articles others were arguing to delete but only because I felt the subjects were ''notable''. I do think it is and should be self-evident that encyclopedia articles be on notable subjects. Anyway, let's work on this and not open up that can of worms.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] 21:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
: Yeah the history stuff ''is'' sorely lacking in most of these articles.  Sad to hear of your Stein/Rubino loss.  I don't even have that one yet myself (I think I may go Amazon it right now just so at least one of us has it on hand. :-), though I do have Shamos's latest ''New Enc. of B.'', which will be a good source for a lot of stuff.  The article "templates" I want to draft will definitely include a <nowiki>==History==</nowiki> section by default.  (On the incl. vs. del./notability topic, I replied in userspace) &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 22:27, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
::No, I'm GOING to get it back. It's just that the borrower is not reliable sort and, frankly, I was crazy to lend it out, but lots of whining does have its uses I guess. I have Shamos' encyclopedia also—you'll note that I began sourcing the glossary using it a few weeks ago. Most glossaries are unsourced but let's make ours better.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] 04:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Hope you do!  I looked into getting one myself, but realized I'd have to save up ''quite'' a bit of money to get one.  I can't believe it's that expensive! &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 09:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

== Tournament results diagrams ==

&#91;''Moving this over from the non-talk page.'' &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 01:49, 18 January 2007 (UTC)&#93;

Such as at [[2005_Mosconi_Cup]] &mdash; where do these charts come from? &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span>
:They originated in the [[Ryder Cup]] pages... {{User|The Rambling Man}}
:: Is there a template for this, or are they built by hand? &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 01:49, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

==Hop to it!==
Please see the to-do list on the main page (or directly at [[WP:CUETODO]]).  The "Wanted" list of new articles (or at least sourced and accurate stubs) has been been prioritized, by an intersection of the subject's importance and the number of redlinks to them discovered so far.  If you are more interested in maintenance than wholesale article writing, there are '''loads''' of other to-do items that may interest you.  The to-do list is very regularly maintained, so it is recommended that you watchlist it (watching the ''WikiProject Cue sports'' main page won't watch the to-do list; it has to be watched separately). &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 21:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

==Five-pins source?==
The [[Five-pins]] article is now in ''fairly'' good shape.   Please help us find an English-language (or even Spanish or French) source with regard to this game.  Having only Italian sources (which get mis- or questionably-translated the same way by both Google and Babelfish) has left several crucial questions about the finer details of the game rules wide open, because the machine translation just utterly mangles the original in key places.  Aside from that lingering issue, I think it's actually one of the best basic articles I've put together so far. &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 21:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

==Anyone know Japanese?==
At ja.wikipedia.org [http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ビリヤード#ビリヤードを題材とした作品 here] there are two pool-related movies listed, without English names showing, and I'm wondering if anyone can ID them so we can look 'em up in IMDb:
*道頓堀川（1982年・日本）
*ナイン（2000年・日本)
&mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 06:11, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

==Template on players' articles==
The template {{tl|Cue sports nav}} is added to a few snooker players' articles, e.g. [[Ronnie O'Sullivan]], [[Graeme Dott]]. As the template isn't directly relevant to the articles, it would be best if it were removed. [[User:Christopher Connor|Christopher Connor]] 16:47, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

:How is it not relevant?  I do imagine that over time it would fork into some variants, like a more snooker-specific one with lots of snooker topics and just one row of "see also" links to more general topics, but [[WP:SNOOKER]] hasn't made one yet, so I'd leave the "stock" one in place until we get to that point; some navigation even if a little general is better than no navigation.  The {{tl|Cue sports project}} tag on the talk page is a different story.  I think I did accidentally slap it on the talk pages of some players who are snooker players ''only'', in which case it should be removed in favor of the WP:SNOOKER template.  Some players have both because they are, for example, both snooker players and Mosconi Cup pool players, so both projects have an immediate interest in shepherding the articles. &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 22:41, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

::It just seems to be only loosely related to the article. It's a bit like putting a template on ball sports onto a football player's article. Also, only a few of the players have the tag on them and others don't. [[User:Christopher Connor|Christopher Connor]] 11:13, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

:::Haven't gotten around to all of them yet!  Anyway, it's' the best that we have for now.  I'm doing more templating than anyone else in these topic areas, so it'll probably be me that makes more game-specific variants of the navigation bar at some point, but others are certainly welcome to give it a shot.  In the interim, better some nav than no nav! &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 12:28, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

:::I very much agree with this reasoning.  I think a navigational template should be used on pages that are actually referenced on the tempate, and not on much else.  This also seems to be how other navigational templates are used.  I would think that people checking out a pool players article are not very likely to want to check out some obscure billiards game.  If they do there is a link to the pool article (where the nav template is obviously useful).  And yes, I think that no nav is better than irrelevant nav. [[User:Havardk|Havardk]] 16:15, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

:::I'd like to see some precedential discussion, if there is any.  That is, if a consensus on this issue has generally formed, where was it formed?  Right now, here, it's just one opinion vs. another, and that's not very guiding. :-)  In my experience, I see both sorts of usage - navboxes that only appear on articles mentioned in the template, and navboxes that appear on relevant articles that are not mentioned on the template. Arguments can be made for either usage, but I've leant toward the latter ever since the auto-collapsing code was installed in most navboxes.  The major argument against seems to be that people interested in X are not likely to be interested in the parent topic of X, which we'll call Z, nor topics A, B and C which are also "descendants" of Z.  I don't see any evidence that this is actually true (and I know it is not true for me, as a reader rather than an editor, though of course that it completely subjective).  The major pro argument is that navigation leads readers to richer, related content and helps them explore a topic, and that limiting navboxes to only the topics that appear in the template is both somewhat self-defeating of the purpose but also inspirational of overly-long navboxes (cf. {{tl|United States topics}}).  I'm not asserting an "I'm right!" viewpoint here, just curious if this issue has already been explored (at WikiProject Templates? In the Village Pump?) in sufficient depth that an identifiable consensus has already been formed and can be relied upon.  (If there has, it should be added to as advice in [[Wikipedia:Navigation templates]] ''which is presently entirely silent on the matter''. — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span></b> &#91;[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]&#93;  <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> 19:14, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
::::While I'm a passing member of this project, I'd say that this template doesn't belong on individuals pages.  It's not directly relevant so it shouldn't be there, in my opinion.  On the other hand, it encourages further development of cue-sport articles.  Depends what you're driving at, but the encyclopaedic answer is to add it the template where it's relevant.  And nowhere else.... [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] 21:19, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

==Webby sources==
What's our rede collectively (and with [[WP:RS]], [[WP:WEB]], [[WP:EL]], etc., in mind) on the value of citing [http://www.billiardsforum.info billiardsforum.info] and other bloggish online forums?  One thing I've noticed about Featured Article/List status is that such sources generally have to go, in favor of "hard" ones.  Then again, if the particular one being cited in at least semi-authoritative it at least makes the article more reliable in the short term.  Hmph.  I really don't know where I stand on this one.  I think the anti-web slant of some of these guidelines is off-base, ironic, and hypocritical given what WP is, but sometimes they raise good points too. &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 22:53, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
:Agree, and think we should only use it where ''we can't find a better source'' (and have looked). With that in mind, I am leaving it in for ''on the lemonade'' but removing it for ''on the snap'', which already has three book citations.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] 22:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
::Sounds right to me.  Wasn't meant as a criticism, BTW; it's just something I've been thinking about for a while.  Like, the [[three-ball]] article is nothing but webby or otherwise questionable sources, because there just seem to be none. Yet everyone knows how to play.  It's a true folk game.  The week before I moved to Toronto, I played about 6 hours of dollar-ante three-ball in San Francisco.  Some 4 or so months after moving to T.O., I end up doing the same thing one night when there were kinda too many players at my local one-table watering hole for eight-ball to be anything but frustrating for everyone but the two people at the table.  The rules were about 95% identical.  Yet no one's ever read them.  I called Gino & Carlo's in San Francisco this week; knew they'd run three-ball tournaments in the past.  Asked for a copy of the rules. "Oh, we don't have printed rules.  It's like bar pool; ya just know how to play."  ARGH.  And most of the webby rules are obvious copy-pastes of nine ball rules where "9" has been globally search-replaced with "3".  I dunno what to do at this point. I think the article's worth keeping, but the sources are ''so'' shaky and contradictory.  If anyone gets a hare up their butt to AfD it, it will almost certainly go down under [[WP:N]] (the 'reliable' clause).  Bzzzzt.  &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">ツ</span> 00:20, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


== MAJOR annual pool tournaments -- yesterday and today ==

I was wondering if there should be a category for MAJOR pool tournaments, so that one could click a link to read more about the event.

Johnston City was a MAJOR tournament in days gone by, and there are others that were prominent in America.

Legends of One-Pocket comes to mind, Clyde Childress Memorial Tournament which took place in Kentucky each year.  Glass City Open in Toledo, Ohio, which ceased to exist last year, but was an annual event.  Hustlers Jamboree is another one.  One can read about these tournaments in pool literature.

The International Pool Tour, though it looks like it may have an end soon, is another MAJOR pool tournament event, the biggest tournament purses, multi-million-dollar purses, with Efren Reyes winning $200,000 in December 2005 in Orlando and much more.

Today, for instance, a couple would be U.S. Open Nine-ball Championship in Chesapeake Beach, Virginia, and the week-long Derby City Classic in Louisville, Kentucky, each January.  The BCA Open in Las Vegas, which is going on right now as I write this, is another annual pool event which takes place each year that attracts players from around the world.  Do you think this would be a worthy category?  That way the reader could learn about the games played, the rules, prize monies, who won, et cetera. [[User:RailbirdJAM|RailbirdJAM]] 11:13, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
:Lets not forget the historic Jansco brothers' Stardust Opens.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] 02:05, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

:See [[WP:CUEEVENTS]] for list of needed tournament articles (add to it as needed). — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span></b> &#91;[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]&#93;  <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> 22:03, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

== Ronnie Allen Pool Player ==

I was attempting to initiate an article about Ronnie Allen, but notice there is another "Ronnie Allen" article, but it is a different person.  However, they have the exact same name.  How can I begin an article about Ronnie Allen the pool player, so that it does not cause any conflicts?  Thanks in advance. [[User:RailbirdJAM|RailbirdJAM]] 20:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:Click here: [[Ronnie Allen (pool player)]] and start writing. I suggest after creation you add at the top of the existing [[Ronnie Allen]] article the following code: <nowiki>{{for|the pool player|Ronnie Allen (pool player)}}</nowiki> which formats as {{for|the pool player|Ronnie Allen (pool player)}}.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] 02:21, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
::Or we can move [[Ronnie Allen]] to [[Ronnie Allen (footballer)]], and make [[Ronnie Allen]] be a disambiguation page. — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span></b> &#91;[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]&#93;  <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> 02:49, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Sure. All that really matters is that people searching for this Ronnie Allen will find him and there's no real [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Primary topic|primary topic]] here; either way.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] 03:32, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
:PS: RailbirdJAM, what happened with your [[Ronnie Allen (pool player)]] article plans? — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span></b> &#91;[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]&#93;  <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> 21:59, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

== Trick shot ==

Hey people I am working on trick shot and any help would be appreciated...if you are interested contact me on my talkpage.[[User:Vandalfighter101|Vandalfighter101]] 11:16, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
:Certainly needs it, and I've worked on it a bit myself. It especially needs coverage of the major tournaments and their winners/runners-up.  As I've expressed elsewhere to you, I think it's a good idea ''for now'' to also include coverage of artistic pool, but that clearly at some point should be its own article. — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span></b> &#91;[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]&#93;  <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> 22:02, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

== [[2007 WPA Men's World Nine-ball Championship]] ==

Since the tourney's ongoing, I'd need help from you guys. :D --'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Howard</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">the</span>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">Duck</span>]]''' 11:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
:Article is complete now, but it needs sourced for verification. [[User:Armbrust|Armbrust]] ([[User talk:Armbrust|talk]]) 10:49, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

== Cool new sortable tables feature ==

See [[IBSF World Billiards Championship]]; the "widgets" in each table column allow the tables to be inverse sorted. Very cool feature.  Needs to be added to lists of championships, lists of events, etc.  How it works is documented at [[Help:Sorting]]. — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span></b> &#91;[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]&#93;  <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> 14:52, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

== Carom photos needed ==

There appear to be ''zero'' photos, either on WP or on Commons, of anything relating to carom billiards.  Not even the balls!  The best we have are lithographs, usually of extinct games, from the 1800s and earlier, and a cheesy, cartoonish CG image of the balls.  If anyone lives near a hall with a carom table, please just take a digital camera down there for a little while and get some usable shots of the balls, how the table is set up for various games (i.e. initial ball positions, if any are specified) and so on. Actually, I will see if I can borrow some from the billiard supply store near me, so I can at least get photos of them next to pool balls for scale, but I do not have a carom table and no hall near me has one. — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span></b> &#91;[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]&#93;  <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> 21:48, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
:I've managed to provide a couple of pics, but more are needed, showing the game being played, showing a carom cue in comparison to a pool cue, and so on.  Actually, what we really need are side-by-side pics of a carom, pool and snooker cue, showing the length, a closeup showing butt differences, and a closeup showing taper, tip and ferrule differences. — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span></b> &#91;[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]&#93;  <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> 19:30, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
::Well, I have four different carom cues and many more pool cues, but alas, no snooker cues. I also don't have a camera so what the hell am I doing in this thread? I really should pick up a camera. Hmmm, I'll ask for one for my birthday. If I get one I'll take a whole bunch of shots at a carom room of varous things including comparisons.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 03:21, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

== Cue sport FA ==
Hey.  As a (very) part-time member of the project, I was wondering if we could instigate some kind of FA drive?  I'm 100% certain an article like [[Steve Davis]]  would (with a bucket of work) get there.  Let me know if you'd be prepared to spend some time working with me on it!  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:51, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
:Sure, but this will need to be done one step at a time. The order I would suggest is [[WP:PR|Peer Review]], followed by a bid for [[WP:GA|Good Article]] status, then [[WP:SPORT|WP:SPORT A-class assessment]], and finally [[WP:FA|Featured Article]].  It's really rare for an attempt at FA status to succeed if there hasn't been peer review and GA (A-class is less vital, but can't possibly hurt). PS: Do you mind I repost this to [[WT:CUE]] and [[WT:SNOOKER]]? — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span></b> &#91;[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]&#93;  <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> 18:56, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
::Of course.  I've got a fair bit of experience over at [[WP:FAC]] with football and cricket articles so I know the deal (I'm now on 17 featured articles/lists).  I'm seriously going to suggest we avoid a GA - that could take months with the current backlog.  I think with my FAC experience and your cue knowledge we can go PR then FA.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:16, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
::P.P.S. Repost away, the more the merrier!  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:16, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Works for me then! — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span></b> &#91;[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]&#93;  <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> 19:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Okay, well [[Steve Davis]] seems like a good place to start!  I'll get going on [[WP:MOS|manual of style]] issues and start adding/refactoring sections.  I'll also probably add a bunch of {{tl|cn}} templates - we'll need to be watertight on references for FAC to succeed.  Let's kick it! [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:23, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::We also need to identify some additional likely candidates.  [[WP:CUE#GA]] and [[WP:CUE#B-class]] are good places to start, as is [[WP:SNOOKER#Article list]]. — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span></b> &#91;[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]&#93;  <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> 19:28, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::I'm onto the [[Steve Davis|Romford Slim]] now.  This is exactly the kind of article which could help escalate the project's profile.  All interested parties (particularly those with reference-able material!) welcome!! [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:48, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Those new to the FA process may find useful this [[User:Dweller/Dweller, on Featured Article Candidates|step by step guide to it]] --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 10:27, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

== Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Cue sports ==

[[Wikipedia:Release Version|Wikipedia 0.7]] is a collection of English Wikipedia articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The [[Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team]] has made an [http://toolserver.org/~cbm/release-data/2008-9-13/HTML/ automated selection of articles for Version 0.7].

We would like to ask you to review the [http://toolserver.org/~cbm/release-data/2008-9-23/HTML/Cue_sports.s0.html articles selected from this project]. These were chosen from the articles with this project's talk page tag, based on the rated importance and quality. If there are any specific articles that should be removed, please let us know at [[Wikipedia talk:Version 0.7]]. You can also nominate additional articles for release, following the procedure at [[Wikipedia:Release Version Nominations]]. 

A [http://toolserver.org/~cbm/cgi-bin/problems.cgi list of selected articles with cleanup tags], sorted by project, is available. The list is automatically updated each hour when it is loaded. Please try to fix any urgent problems in the selected articles. A team of copyeditors has agreed to help with [[Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Copyediting|copyediting requests]], although you should try to fix simple issues on your own if possible. 

We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at [[User:SelectionBot/0.7/X-1|this project's subpage]] of [[User:SelectionBot/0.7]]. We are planning to release the selection before December 2008, so we ask you to select the revisions before October 20. At that time, we will use an automatic process to identify which version of each article to release, if no version has been manually selected. Thanks! For the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team, [[User:SelectionBot|SelectionBot]] 16:14, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

:Alright compadres! Aside from ongoing [[WP:GA]] and [[WP:FA]] pushes, we should clearly focus our energies on the 7 articles so far selected for the CD/DVD releases and get them up to spec.  After that, we can see what other articles are likely to be able to be raised to these standards quickly and get them nominated for WP release versions as well. — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span></b> &#91;[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]&#93;  <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> 21:09, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

== 61-Pool ==

As I dimly recall from at least forty years ago and I do not know if this is from personal experience or a description in a book of games, "61-Pool" is another name for a game whose "true" name I have forgotten in which the values of the balls sunk by each player are added together and the winner is the person whose score is sixty-one or higher as the sum of the numbers one through fifteen is one hundred twenty.  I think that stripes and solids had to alternate, so that a player could not win by only sinking a few stripes.  I believe the eight ball did not count, it may have meant either a loss of game or a loss of turn if it were sunk.  I do remember that if the wrong type ball were sunk the player lost his turn and the ball was credited to his opponent.  

I know the above is OR but it may give some one a start on researching the game.

Have fun.
:[[User:JimCubb|JimCubb]] ([[User talk:JimCubb|talk]]) 23:34, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

:I have it in some old rulebooks.  It'll get added eventually, but as it is essentially an extinct game, and one that did not have a marked effect on modern games, the priority is pretty low. — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span></b> &#91;[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]&#93;  <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> 22:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

==T'other Russian Billiards==
Is there a particular reason why the North American/Canadian game called Russian Billiards isn't given a page? It's not the Pyramid one. Is it contentious, too uncommon, or just not got round to yet? There are some rules here [http://www.billiardsforum.info/pool-rules/russian-billiards-rules.asp] though they are not quite how I've been taught to play. [[User:Dumbledad|Dumbledad]] ([[User talk:Dumbledad|talk]]) 08:49, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure this was deleted long ago at [[WP:AFD]] because it was [[WP:N|non-notable]] and [[WP:NFT|recently invented]]. Just the fact that it has software-style version numbers to its rules is a tell-tale sign. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''<big>[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</big>'''   <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ʕ(<sup>Õ</sup>ل<sup>ō</sup>)ˀ</span>  <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 08:48, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

== Are there enough articles on this subject to justify an [[Outline of cue sports]]? ==

[[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Outline of knowledge#Utility of outlines to wikiprojects|Here's a discussion about subject development you might find interesting]].  

P.S.: See Wikipedia's collection of outlines at [[WP:OOK]].

[[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 00:08, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

:Definitely. It is something that's been vaguely on my mind since you mentioned OoKs on my talk page several months ago.  My main concern is that too many of our core articles are still in iffy shape. Same reason we haven't done anything in the "Book:" namespace yet. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''<big>[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</big>'''   <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ʕ(<sup>Õ</sup>ل<sup>ō</sup>)ˀ</span>  <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 08:50, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

== GAN backlog reduction - Sports and recreation ==
As you may know, we currently have 400 [[WP:GAN|good article nominations]], with a large number of them being in the sports and recreation section. As such, the waiting time for this is especially long, much longer than it should be. As a result of this, I am asking each sports-related WikiProject to review two or three of these nominations. If this is abided by, then the backlog should be cleared quite quickly. Some projects nominate a lot but don't review, or vice-versa, and following this should help to provide a balance and make the waiting time much smaller so that our articles can actually get reviewed! [[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#060">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] 23:39, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

== AZ Billiards pics ==

{{Unresolved|1=SMcCandlish wrote to this Mike person for clarification, but did not hear back. Someone else may want to try again.}}
:<small>''This topic was moved here from [[User talk:SMcCandlish]], as being more relevant here than in usertalkspace. Could be a good source of with-permission pics of living players!''.</small>
Hi :)

AZ Billiards replied to my request to use their photo of Strickland.  Here's what they said:

>Use any of the ones that are credited to Diana Hoppe. Just make sure that you credit her as 'Diana Hoppe - Pool Pics by Hoppe'.

>Thanks,
>Mike

Does that make it sound like we can source their photo? <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:MichaelJHuman|MichaelJHuman]] ([[User talk:MichaelJHuman|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MichaelJHuman|contribs]]) 18:49, 13 March 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

:Probably.  Do you have a last name and contact info for "Mike"?  If you get me the details I can take care of this at the image page (use e-mail - see e-mail link at top of my [[User:SMcCandlish|userpage]]; other people's e-mail addresses shouldn't ever be put into WP pages, even talk pages, since spammers can harvest them, even from article histories!)  If you want to do the license tagging and stuff yourself, a good trick is do something like 'Mike Smith, contactable at the site "AZBilliards.com", with a username of "MSmith"', so e-mail address harvesters won't recognize it as an e-mail address but any human could figure it out.  But anyway, I know how to source pics with the right licensing templates, so it might be easier for me to deal with it.  You could just forward me a copy of the e-mail. Might be good for more than one of us to have a copy of it anyway, just in case!
:Oh!  Can you write back and ask him if this means we can use other photos (of other players and stuff) by same photographer?  Their "any of the ones" language suggests this, but I think we should know for certain.  That could come in ''very, very'' handy.  Or I can do it; either way. &mdash; <span style="font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span> &#91;[[User_talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contrib]]&#93;</span> <span style="color: #990000; font-weight: bold;">?</span> 19:12, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

== Charles Dickens on billiards! ==
{{Unresolved|1=Source not added to any articles yet.}}
:<small>''[This topic was moved here from [[User talk:SMcCandlish]].]''</small>
If you have not seen this before (I hadn't), check [http://books.google.com/books?id=TNkRAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA349 this out]. Who knew? And a rather involved and interesting history it is.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 22:21, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
:Definitely worth citing, probably on several points and for several reasons in several articles, including [[Cue sports]] and [[carom billiards]] among others, and [[American four-ball billiards]] when that exists (for one thing it's good evidence that the game was known internationally by the date of his British writing). — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''<big>[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</big>'''   <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ʕ(<sup>Õ</sup>ل<sup>ō</sup>)ˀ</span>  <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 09:40, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

== Event pics available ==
{{Unresolved|1=Great pics can be used on several articles but have not been.}}
:<small>''[This topic was moved here from [[User talk:SMcCandlish]].]]''</small>
;18 new pool pictures available on Commons from the Mosconi Cup 2008
hi, i know you are a bit interested in billiards, ans so i just wanted to told you, that someone, who was in malta an made picures from the [[Mosconi Cup]] allowed me to upload them. Maybe you could put them into the articles and make good subtitles here in the english wiki - i'll do so in the German wiki (my mother tongue as you might have guessed after these lines)... All 18 pics can be found here: [[:commons:Category:Mosconi Cup 2008]]   Greets --[[User:De-tmv23|De-tmv23]] ([[User talk:De-tmv23|talk]]) 17:06, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks! — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span></b> &#91;[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]&#93; &#91;[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]&#93;  <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> 17:13, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
::new pics again - not sure if you used the MC pics for the english wiki (if you forgot i either remind or annoy you now), however 6 new pics are uploaded now from the World Pool Masters 2007. To be found on my [[commons:User:Tmv23|commons profile page]] (2nd row the six pics left of the skyscraperpic) --[[User:De-tmv23|De-tmv23]] ([[User talk:De-tmv23|talk]]) 23:03, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) These pics should be used where possible, e.g. to illustrate the events in question and perhaps some of the players' articles. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''<big>[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</big>'''   <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ʕ(<sup>Õ</sup>ل<sup>ō</sup>)ˀ</span>  <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 09:22, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

:Picture were added to [[2008 Mosconi Cup|the article]]. &mdash; {{User|Armbrust}} 09:41, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
::That's a good start, but [[:Mosconi Cup]] itself, the other tournament article, and various player articles could also probably use some of these pictures. It's been very difficult for us to get any pictures of modern, active pros, so these are quite valuable for us. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''<big>[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</big>'''   <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ʕ(<sup>Õ</sup>ل<sup>ō</sup>)ˀ</span>  <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 11:59, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

::PS: We should use the [[WP:GALLERY|gallery function]] to put ''all'' of these pics (that are not already used there) into the articles on the events at which they were taken, too. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''<big>[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</big>'''   <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ʕ(<sup>Õ</sup>ل<sup>ō</sup>)ˀ</span>  <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 13:05, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

:::Added all picture with [[Template:Gallery]] to the [[2008 Mosconi Cup]] article, but the captions should be altered to better describe the pictures. [[User:Armbrust|Armbrust]] ([[User talk:Armbrust|talk]]) 14:50, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

== WP 1.0 bot announcement ==
{{Resolved|Just a note}}
This message is being sent to each WikiProject that participates in the [[Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment|WP 1.0 assessment system]]. On '''Saturday, January 23, 2010''', the [[User:WP 1.0 bot|WP 1.0 bot]] will be upgraded. Your project does not need to take any action, but the appearance of your project's [[Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Cue sports articles by quality statistics|summary table]] will change. The upgrade will make many new, optional features available to all WikiProjects. Additional information is available at the [[Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index|WP 1.0 project homepage]]. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 03:11, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

== Request for comment on Biographies of living people==
{{Resolved|Just an FYI.}}
Hello Wikiproject! Currently there is a discussion which will decide whether wikipedia will delete 49,000 articles about a living person without references, here:

[[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people]]

Since biographies of living people covers so many topics, nearly all wikiproject topics will be effected.

The two opposing positions which have the most support is:  
# '''supports''' the deletion of unreferenced articles about a living person, [[User:Jehochman]]
# '''opposes''' the deletion of unreferenced articles about a living person, except in limited circumstances, [[User:Collect]]

Comments are welcome.  Keep in mind that by default, editor's comments are hidden. Simply press edit next to the section to add your comment. 

Please keep in mind that at this point, it seems that editors support deleting unreferenced article if they are not sourced, so your project may want to pursue the projects below.

{{done}} <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Armbrust|Armbrust]] ([[User talk:Armbrust|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Armbrust|contribs]]) 11:25, 18 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

==Tools to help your project with unreferenced Biographies of living people==
{{Resolved|Just a note; the cleanup listing feature is installed on this project's homepage.}}
;List of cleanup articles for your project
If you don't already have this and are interested in creating a list of articles which need cleanup for your wikiproject see: [[User:B._Wolterding/Cleanup_listings#How_to_obtain_a_listing#User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings| Cleanup listings]] A list of examples is [[:Category:WolterBot_cleanup_listing_subscriptions|here]]

;Moving unreferenced blp articles to a special "incubation pages" 
If you are interested in moving unreferenced blp articles to a special "incubation page",  contact me, [[User talk:Ikip]]

;Watchlisting all unreferenced articles
If you are interested in watchlisting all of the unreferenced articles once you install Cleanup_listings, contact me, [[User talk:Ikip]]

[[User:Ikip|Ikip]]  02:09, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

==Unreferenced living people articles bot==
{{Resolved|1=Integrated into main project page and into to-do list as highest priority fix-it item.}}
{{User:DASHBot/Wikiprojects/welcome}} [[User:Okip |Okip ]]  01:08, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
::This list is now active. There are [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Cue_sports/Unreferenced_BLPs|currently 15 Unreferenced Cue sports articles]]. Regards, [[User:SunCreator|SunCreator]] <sup>([[User talk:SunCreator|talk]])</sup> 20:59, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

== Sports notability ==
{{Resolved|1=Just an FYI.}}
There is discussion ongoing at [[Wikipedia_talk:BIO#RFC:_WP:Athlete_Professional_Clause_Needs_Improvement]] debating possible changes to the [[WP:ATHLETE]] notability guideline.  As a result, some have suggested using [[WP:NSPORT]] as an eventual replacement for WP:ATHLETE.  Editing has begun at [[WP:NSPORT]], please participate to help refine the notability guideline for the sports covered by this wikiproject. —[[User:LiberalFascist|Joshua Scott]] <small>[[User_talk:LiberalFascist|(LiberalFascist)]]</small> 03:27, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

==Emma Bonney==
{{Resolved|1=Just an FYI}}
I've established the notability of [[Emma Bonney]] by editing the article to show that she is a multiple Ladies Billiards world champion. Over to members of this WP to improve further. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 17:34, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks! That's our first female [[English billiards]] player article. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''   <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ʕ(<sup>Õ</sup>ل<sup>ō</sup>)ˀ</span>  <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 06:03, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== Important AfD test case ==
{{Resolved|1=Nomination withdrawn after 17 more sources found and added to article.}}
[[Golden Cue]] is up for AfD, at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The golden cue]].  This is one of the very few articles ever written here on a cue sports ''venue'' (a pool hall in this case).  Notability is the main issue, and can be interpreted either way. It's really a borderline case. The outcome may have far-reaching implications for such articles in the future.  Obviously, not every pool hall is notable. But some of them surely are.  Is this one?  That's up to you. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''   <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ʕ(<sup>Õ</sup>ل<sup>ō</sup>)ˀ</span>  <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 07:12, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== [[:Category:Cue sports video game stubs]] nominated for deletion ==
{{Resolved|1=Stub category was deleted. [[User:Armbrust|<span style="color:#082567;">Armbrust</span>]] [[User talk:Armbrust|<sup style="color:#E3A857;">Talk</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Armbrust|<sub style="color:#008000;">Contribs</sub>]] 11:21, 18 October 2010 (UTC)}}
A stub category which this project uses has been nominated for deletion at [[Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion]]. The stub type allegedly doesn't meet [[Wikipedia:Stub|Wikipedia requirements for a stub type]], through failure to meet standards relating to the scope, current stub hierarchy or likely size, as explained at [[Wikipedia:Stub]]. Please feel free to make any comments at [[WP:SFD]] regarding this stub type. <small>This message is boilerplate, left here as a courtesy, and should not be considered personal in nature.</small><!-- modifed From  Template:Sfd-notice -->

:This stub type did go through proper proposal channels. I'm not sure why it's being SfD'd now; doesn't make any sense to me. It is a somewhat small stub category, but serves its purposes.  The proposal on the table is to delete the category and upmerge the stub type to [[:Category:Sports video game stubs]].  I have issues with that myself, but others might agree with the move.  Comments, pro or con, at the SfD would be a good idea (few SfDs generate much commentary at all, frankly). — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''   <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ʕ(<sup>Õ</sup>ل<sup>ō</sup>)ˀ</span>  <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 00:44, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== Important CfD ==
{{Resolved|1=The result of the CfD was keep. [[User:Armbrust|<span style="color:#082567;">Armbrust</span>]] [[User talk:Armbrust|<sup style="color:#E3A857;">Talk</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Armbrust|<sub style="color:#008000;">Contribs</sub>]] 11:22, 18 October 2010 (UTC)}}
[[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 September 18#Category:Pool venues]] looks like a minor CfD nitpick, but actually has very significant potential consequences for the categorization (and proposed <em>de</em>categorization) of articles within the scope of both [[WP:CUE]] and [[WP:SNOOKER]], and the autonomy these projects have in relation to each other (for better or worse). — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''   <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ʕ(<sup>Õ</sup>ل<sup>ō</sup>)ˀ</span>  <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 01:09, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

== Cue sports articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release ==
{{Resolved|Just a FYI.}}
Version 0.8 is a collection of Wikipedia articles selected by the [[Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team|Wikipedia 1.0 team]] for offline release on USB key, DVD and mobile phone.  Articles were [[Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Article selection|selected based on their assessed  importance and quality]], then article ''versions'' (revisionIDs) were chosen for trustworthiness (freedom from vandalism) using an adaptation of the [[WikiTrust]] algorithm.

We would like to ask you to review the [http://toolserver.org/~enwp10/bin/list2.fcgi?run=yes&namespace=0&pagename=&quality=&importance=&score=&limit=100&offset=1&sorta=Importance&sortb=Quality&filterRelease=on&reviewFilter=0&releaseFilter=1&projecta=Cue%20sports Cue sports articles and revisionIDs we have chosen]. Selected articles are marked with a diamond symbol (&diams;) to the right of each article, and this symbol links to the selected version of each article. If you believe we have included or excluded articles inappropriately, please contact us at '''[[Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8]]''' with the details.  You may wish to look at your WikiProject's [http://toolserver.org/~cbm/cgi-bin/problems.cgi articles with cleanup tags] and try to improve any that need work; if you do, please give us the new revisionID at [[Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8]]. We would like to complete this consultation period by midnight UTC on Monday, October 11th.

We have greatly streamlined the process since the Version 0.7 release, so we aim to have the collection ready for distribution by the end of October, 2010.  As a result, we are planning to distribute the collection much more widely, while continuing to work with groups such as [[One Laptop per Child]] and [http://schools-wikipedia.org/ Wikipedia for Schools] to extend the reach of Wikipedia worldwide.  Please help us, with [[Wikipedia_talk:Version_0.8|your WikiProject's feedback]]! 

For the Wikipedia 1.0 editorial team, [[User:SelectionBot|SelectionBot]] 22:20, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

== List of World Three-cushion Billiards Champions ==

Perhaps others can help me at: [[List of World Three-cushion Billiards Champions]]. Multiple people are listed as that year's champion. I want to know if there were multiple organizations sponsoring titles, and what those organizations were. Most news articles don't list who the sponsoring organization was. Another possibility is that there were two championship matches a year from the same organization. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 15:13, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

== Cuemaker nominated for deletion ==

{{Resolved|1=Just an FYI.}}
[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Parris]]. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''   <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ʕ(<sup>Õ</sup>ل<sup>ō</sup>)ˀ</span>  <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 15:47, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

==WikiProject cleanup listing ==

I have created together with [[User:Smallman12q|Smallman12q]] a toolserver tool that shows a weekly-updated list of cleanup categories for WikiProjects, that can be used as a replacement for [[User:WolterBot|WolterBot]] and this WikiProject is among those that are already included (because it is a member of [[:Category:WolterBot cleanup listing subscriptions]]). See [[User:Svick/WikiProject cleanup listing|the tool's wiki page]], [http://toolserver.org/~svick/CleanupListing/CleanupListing.php?project=Cue_sports this project's listing in one big table] or [http://toolserver.org/~svick/CleanupListing/CleanupListingByCat.php?project=Cue_sports by categories] and [http://toolserver.org/~svick/CleanupListing/Index.php the index of WikiProjects]. [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 20:21, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

== [[Outline of cue sports]] needed ==

Sports-related outlines currently under development include:

* [[Outline of basketball]]
* [[Outline of tennis]]
* [[Outline of motorcycles and motorcycling]]
* [[Outline of running]]
* [[Outline of cricket]]

But there is no [[Outline of cue sports]].


Can you guys beat the other Sports WikiProjects to completion?

To create an outline on cue sports, click on the redlink above and add this line:

'''<nowiki>{{subst:BLT|baseball|Baseball}}</nowiki>'''

Then press ''Save page'' and start adding relevant subheadings and links.


For the whole set of outlines on Wikipedia, see [[Portal:Contents/Outlines]].

Here are some examples of developed outlines:

* [[Outline of cell biology]]
* [[Outline of meteorology]] (weather)
* [[Outline of Iceland]]
* [[Outline of Japan]]
* [[Outline of anarchism]]
* [[Outline of chocolate]]

[[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 00:07, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

== CfD on Category:Pool ==

There is a proposal at [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_December_24#Category:Pool]] to rename [[:Category:Pool]] to [[:Category:Pool (cue sports)]] and a counter-proposal to rename both the category and the article to [[:Category:Pocket billiards]] and [[Pocket billiards]] (the original name of [[Pool (cue sports)]].  The argument for the former is that it would match the disambiguated article name, and for the latter it is that using the industry-standard if less vernacular term simply eliminates any need for disambiguation at all. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''   <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ʕ(<sup>Õ</sup>ل<sup>ō</sup>)ˀ</span>  <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 03:45, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

== Pool (cue sports) vs. Pocket billiards ==

This may be of interest to most participants in this project: [[Talk:Pool (cue sports)#Requested move]].  The outcome will affect the name of the category, too, which is already at CfD. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''   <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ʕ(<sup>Õ</sup>ل<sup>ō</sup>)ˀ</span>  <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 05:24, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

== Bar billiards ==

Hello. I see you're looking for images for [[Bar billiards]].  I found some that might be useful on Flickr.  I've posted them on [[Talk:Bar billiards]].  Cue sports aren't really my area at all so it'd be great if someone could drop by and give an opinion on their suitability for the article. [[User:Ka Faraq Gatri|Ka Faraq Gatri]] ([[User talk:Ka Faraq Gatri|talk]]) 22:48, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

==[[Talk:Steve Davis/GA1]]==
[[Steve Davis]] is going through a GA review, and is on hold for 14 days to allow time to deal with the issues listed on the review page.  <span style="border: 1px  #F10; background-color:cream;">'''[[User:SilkTork|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:#1111AA;font-size:small;">SilkTork</span>]]''' *[[User talk:SilkTork|<sup>Tea time</sup>]]</span> 13:12, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

== 2011 World 9-ball championship is ongoing ==

The 2010 article can be used as a template -- there are templates there that can be used as this year's format is identical to last year's. This event is at [[WP:ITNR]] so it better be spruced up or else its listing there may be revoked. –'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">H</span>]][[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">T</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">D</span>]]''' 19:05, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

== Popular pages feature ==

I've put in a request that this project's pages be indexed by Mr.Z-man's "Popular Pages" tool (see [[User:Mr.Z-man/Popular pages FAQ]]). It generates a list of project articles by how often they are visited. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''   <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ʕ(<sup>Õ</sup>ل<sup>ō</sup>)ˀ</span>  <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 15:55, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

== [[WP:CUEMOS]] / [[WP:MOSCUE]] / [[MOS:CUE]] ==

I've promoted, after years of "not getting around to it", [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Cue sports/Spelling conventions]] to MOS guideline sub-page status as [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style (cue sports)]].  About time.  [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style (snooker)]] has already been there for ages. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''   <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ʕ(<sup>Õ</sup>ل<sup>ō</sup>)ˀ</span>  <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 10:46, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

== Custom watchlists for cue sports! ==

How cool!  Bot author {{user|tedder}} has come up with some cool stuff that helps us out.  It is now trivially easy to watch all cue sports edits from some custom watchlists. I've added them to the project nav banner (see top of [[WP:CUE]], etc.), but you might want to integrate them into your own stuff (Firefox sidebar, whatever). These all even help find pages you should be watching but aren't, and to identify new articles you haven't seen and watchlisted yet, since "Changes to pages on your watchlist are shown in bold", and others aren't.

* Watchlist for all changes to cue sports articles:
http://poolcuereview.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangesLinked&target=Wikipedia%3AWikiProject_Cue_sports%2FAdmin&hidemyself=1&hideminor=0&hidebots=0&days=30&limit=500

You can tweak the <code>hideminor=</code>, <code>hidebots=</code>, <code>days=</code> and <code>limit=</code> of course. This list is made possible by the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Cue sports/Admin]] page cread by tedder's bot. It picks up transcluded templates sometimes; not sure there's a way around that.

* Watchlist for all changes to cue sports non-articles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangesLinked&target=Wikipedia%3AWikiProject_Cue_sports%2FAdmin2&hidemyself=1&hideminor=0&hidebots=0&days=30&limit=500

You can tweak the <code>hideminor=</code>, <code>hidebots=</code>, <code>days=</code> and <code>limit=</code> of course. This list is made possible by the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Cue sports/Admin2]] page cread by tedder's bot. It picks up transcluded templates sometimes; not sure there's a way around that.

* Watchlist for all changes to cue sports talk pages:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangesLinked&target=Category:All_cue_sports_pages_minus_snooker&hidemyself=1&hideminor=0&hidebots=0&days=30&limit=500

This one's just based on a category, and picks up a few non-"Talk:" items in there sometimes.

* Snooker equivalents:
articles: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangesLinked&target=Wikipedia%3AWikiProject_Snooker%2FAdmin&hidemyself=1&hideminor=0&hidebots=0&days=30&limit=500

non-articles: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangesLinked&target=Wikipedia%3AWikiProject_Snooker%2FAdmin2&hidemyself=1&hideminor=0&hidebots=0&days=30&limit=500

talk: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangesLinked&target=Category:All_snooker_pages&hideminor=0&hidemyself=1&hidebots=0&days=30&limit=500

— <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''   <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ʕ(<sup>Õ</sup>ل<sup>ō</sup>)ˀ</span>  <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 20:32, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

== Problem at [[Frank Taberski]] ==

The article [[Frank Taberski]] has a severe problem requiring research and cleanup, in that the most significant fact of his bio &ndash; when he won his first World Championship &ndash; is off by at least one entire year, one direction or the other, between two reliable sources (the [[Billiard Congress of America]] and ''[[New York Times]]'' material) cited.  It's possible that the BCA just has an off-by-one error, but the ''NYT'' archives are actually notorious for getting archival dates incorrect, and the PDF of their old article does not actually specify the year in the scan itself. So, this really needs to be sourced by at least two additional, entirely independent sources. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''   <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ʕ(<sup>Õ</sup>ل<sup>ō</sup>)ˀ</span>  <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 09:15, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

== AfD against [[Stefano Pelinga]] ==
{{Resolved|1=Article kept, after some work proving notability.}}
[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stefano Pelinga]] could use some WP:CUE attention.  The short version is that his notability has been challenged, but this was after the nominator deleted all the sources (poorly cited, but real). I've suggested that the nomination should be closed as out-of-process, but others may wish to have input on the matter, since just adding the sources back in doesn't necessarily make the subject automatically notable. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''   <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ʕ(<sup>Õ</sup>ل<sup>ō</sup>)ˀ</span>  <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 00:14, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

== New WPA world champions have no articles! ==
{{Unresolved|1=Probably the single most obvious current player bios are {{em|still redlinks}}.}}
Badly needed new bios: [[Yukio Akakariyama]] and [[Bi Zhu Qing]] ([[2011 WPA World Nine-ball Championship|2011 WPA World Nine-ball Champions]], male & female respectively). — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''   <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ʕ(<sup>Õ</sup>ل<sup>ō</sup>)ˀ</span>  <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 02:14, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
:If anyone has any time to write even a sourced stub or two, these are the obvious top targets for pool right now. (I don't, or I'd already be on this.) — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''   <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ʕ(<sup>Õ</sup>ل<sup>ō</sup>)ˀ</span>  <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 01:35, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
:WPA's own article on Bi Zhu Qing (not sure of family vs. given names): http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/index.asp?id=21&pagetype=photo_gallery&eventid=41
:— <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''   <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ʕ(<sup>Õ</sup>ل<sup>ō</sup>)ˀ</span>  <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 18:15, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
:PS: Also missing are 2011 WPA World Artistic Pool]] Champion [[Andy Segal]] (USA) and 2011 WPA World Ten-ball Champion [[Huidji See]] (NLD).  This is getting embarassing. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''   <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ʕ(<sup>Õ</sup>ل<sup>ō</sup>)ˀ</span>  <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 18:21, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
::Let's see if I can find something for Akakariyama. Presumably it's easier to find something for See. I dunno if there's something that can be found for the women players. –'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">H</span>]][[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">T</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">D</span>]]''' 18:10, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

==Brackets==
I was going to create an article for the [[2011 U.S. Open 9-ball Championship]] but we'd need a 256-player double elimination bracket. I dunno how that can be done (would a 16-player double elim bracket divided into 16 sections, plus a final bracket, work?), and I don't want to do what was done in the [[2010 U.S. Open 9-ball Championship]] where it's like a maze. –'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">H</span>]][[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">T</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">D</span>]]''' 18:10, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
:That would probably work.  See the snooker world championship articles, e.g. [[2011 World Snooker Championship]], for how some other big events have been dealt with. PS: See [[MOS:CUE]]; the event title should be given as [[2011 U.S. Open Nine-ball Championship]]. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''  &nbsp; <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]]〈°⌊°〉</span> <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 12:45, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
::I tried applying the brackets there before but it didn't work, basically there were rounds were there were byes; hence I tried splitting it up into 16 brackets: the winners bracket turned out fine but the losers' brackets were a maze. If someone is willing to slave on a 256-team double elim bracket it would've been perfect. –'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">H</span>]][[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">T</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">D</span>]]''' 12:52, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Try enlisting aid at [[WT:SNOOKER]]; several editors there churn out complicated tournament brackets as if it's nothing. Beats me how; makes my brain hurt. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''  &nbsp; <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]]〈°⌊°〉</span> <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 05:12, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
::::If ever they create one humongous 256-team double-elim bracket, I think it's a buzzkill. Not only is it hard to use, it's also hard to read. Have you seen the AZBilliards' brackets? –'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">H</span>]][[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">T</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">D</span>]]''' 06:14, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::They've figured ways of splitting it up that seem to work. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''  &nbsp; <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]]〈°⌊°〉</span> <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 06:16, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

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== Wikimedians to the Games: Paralympic cue sport events ==

If you're participating or considering in participating in [[:outreach:HOPAU/W2G|Wikimedians to the Games]], you may be interested in attending the events below.  They may provide an opportunity to get information to write a Wikinews article or to take pictures for points on Commons.  If you're not participating, it would still be great to see people attending these events to take pictures for use on Wikipedia and Wikinews.  If you do decide to attend, consider hosting a Wikimedia meetup at the end or the evening of the event, or even just letting HOPAU organisers know you are planning to attend.  If you leave [[User_talk:LauraHale|a message on my talk page]], I can help you promote the meetup. :)  If you need help with organising attendance because of transport cost issues or accessibility in terms of wanting press access, again please get in touch. :) --[[User:LauraHale|LauraHale]] ([[User talk:LauraHale|talk]]) 07:17, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

; Cue sports in South Australia
*    Wednesday 21 March 2012 02:00pm - 04:00pm    Cue Sports Program - South Australia [http://www.sports.org.au/events-calendar.html?option=com_jevents&task=cat.listevents&offset=1&category_fv=29&Itemid=92]
*    Wednesday 18 April 2012 02:00am - 04:00pm    Cue Sports Program - South Australia [http://www.sports.org.au/events-calendar.html?option=com_jevents&task=cat.listevents&offset=1&category_fv=29&Itemid=92]

::Is there any info anywhere on what they mean by "cue sports"? I'm guessing surely snooker, but I don't know what else is popular and competitive in Australia these days &ndash; English billiards, "American style" nine-ball and eight-ball (solids and stripes), "British style" blackball/8-ball-pool (reds & yellows), three-cushion billiards? — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''  &nbsp; <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]]〈°⌊°〉</span> <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 06:29, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

== New [[Template:Accu-Stats]] for citing their videos more easily ==

This may be especially useful for [[Glossary of cue sports terms]].

'''One-off usage: '''

<pre>Article text.<nowiki><ref name="Accu-Stats">{{Accu-Stats
 |event=2009 U.S. Open 9-ball Championship  |match=Kim Davenport vs. Johnny Archer
 |last1=Wych   |first1=Jim
 |last2=Ceilen  |first2=Michele
 |time=23:49
 |by=Wych
 |year=2009
 |catno=349B-15
 |quote=Archer's force-follow left him in exactly the position he needed for the 9.
 |accessdate = {{CURRENTYEAR}}-{{CURRENTMONTH}}-{{CURRENTDAY}}
}}</ref></nowiki></pre>

Produces:

Article text.<ref name="Accu-Stats"><nowiki>{{Accu-Stats
 |event=2009 U.S. Open 9-ball Championship  |match=Kim Davenport vs. Johnny Archer
 |last1=Wych   |first1=Jim
 |last2=Ceilen  |first2=Michele
 |time=23:49
 |by=Wych
 |year=2009
 |catno=349B-15
 |quote=Archer's force-follow left him in exactly the position he needed for the 9.
 |accessdate = {{CURRENTYEAR}}-{{CURRENTMONTH}}-{{CURRENTDAY}}
}}</nowiki></ref><br />
...<br />
{{Reflist}}


'''Multiple citations''': See the template documentation for two different options.

<small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]] ([[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contribs]]) 12:42, 19 February 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

== [[Template:Cuegloss]] now easier to use! ==

You can now just do {{tlx|cuegloss|<var>term here</var>}} to link terms in articles to their entries in the [[glossary of cue sports terms]] if the term and the linked text are the same except for capitalization, because the template will normalize the case.

*Old: <code>{{!bxt|1=fifteen {{tnull|cuegloss|Object ball|object ball}}s and one {{tnull|cuegloss|Cue ball|cue ball}} }}</code>
*New: <code>{{bxt|1=fifteen {{tnull|cuegloss|object ball}}s and one {{tnull|cuegloss|cue ball}} }}</code>

You still need both parameters if they don't match:

*Complex: <code>{{bxt|1=pocketing the 8 {{tnull|cuegloss|on the snap|on the break}} }}</code>

If the same term is cuegloss-linked twice in the same article (or at all inside the glossary itself), use {{tlx|cuegloss2}} instead of {{tlx|cuegloss}}, for technical reasons.

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== New template for extlinking to AzBilliards player profiles, 2000 to present ==

[[Template:AzB player]].  It uses the AzBilliards player profile <code>playernum</code> ID. There's not an index of them on AzBilliards.com I've found yet, but you can google for them with: "<var>Firstname</var> <var>Lastname</var> site:http://azbilliards.com/thepros/" (without the quotes).

Example basic usage:

<code><nowiki>* {{AzB player|id=6|name=Ewa Laurance}}</nowiki></code>
* {{<nowiki>AzB player</nowiki>|id=6|name=Ewa Laurance}}

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== Andy Segal article has WP:V, WP:COI and other issues ==
{{FYI|Pointer to article that needs work.}}
A notable professional player (one with an article here) contacted me directly with the following, about [[artistic pool]] (and I've paraphrased a little, e.g. to add links, and to shorten/clarify some stuff):

<blockquote><p>I just stumbled upon [[Andy Segal]]'s Wikipedia article. It seems [[WP:NPOV|very biased]]. Many of the alleged facts stated in that page are [[WP:V|not cited]] to [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] and, in my opinion and experience, are not even true in some cases.</p>
<p>Only official competitions, sanctioned or televised, should be mentioned in a champion's bio.  Mr. Segal is [[WP:NFT|personally hosting several events a year for his own purposes]], but they are {{em|not}} sanctioned by any [[sport governing body]]. The events use his own shots and rules, and only his friends are invited.  [[WP:SPAM|The article appears to promote these private events]], and [[WP:COI|seems to have been written or extensively edited by him or someone close to him]]. I could host similar things in my basement just about every weekend, but that would not make them [[WP:N|notable]]. There is [[WP:TRIVIA|no value to most of the "titles" he lists]] and his page definitely needs to be [[WP:NOT|fixed to comply with Wikipedia standards]].</p>
</blockquote>

I'm in the process of moving across the country and have only intermittent Internet access, so I'm not in a position to do anything about this myself right now. 

Further discussion should be at [[Talk:Andy Segal#Article has WP:V, WP:COI and other issues]].

— <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''  &nbsp; <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ɖ∘¿<span style="color:red;">¤</span>þ </span>&nbsp; <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contrib.]]</small></span>  04:24, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

== "Bevington Smuts" vandalism ==

Hi folks,
You might want to keep an eye out for a vandalism relating to "Bevington Smuts". I have just found a handful of snooker players whose personal life biogs have been amended to suggest they are descendents from the "microscopic laundrette impresario, Bevington Smuts"...!!
[[Mark Allen (snooker player)|Mark Allen]], [[Shaun Murphy (snooker player)|Shaun Murphy]], [[Stephen Lee]], [[Walter Lindrum]] have been targeted over the last few weeks by {{user| 84.86.222.169}} and {{user|2.218.31.47}}. There may be more, but those are the ones from the two IPs I've mentioned.

Best wishes, and enjoy the UK Championships!
&mdash;[[User:MDCollins]] ([[User talk:MDCollins|talk]]) 02:00, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

==RfC on the use of flag icons for sportspeople==
An [[WP:RFC|RfC discussion]] about the [[MOS:FLAG]] restriction on the use of flag icons for sportspeople has been opened at [[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons]]. We invite all interested participants to provide their opinion [[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons#RfC on MOS:FLAG|here]]. [[User:Qwyrxian|Qwyrxian]] ([[User talk:Qwyrxian|talk]]) 02:48, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

== Cuegloss ==

The {{tl|Cuegloss}} template was nominated for deletion at [[Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2013_June_26#Template:Cuegloss]]. [[User:Armbrust|Armbrust]] <sup>[[User talk:Armbrust|<span style="color:#E3A857;">The</span> <span style="color:#008000;">Homunculus</span>]]</sup> 13:02, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

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== Flag usage on sports articles ==

A discussion has begun to outline usage of flags on sports articles and to review their usage. Sports articles have long diverged from what is stated in the manual of style. Please comment on the proposals and add suggestions by contributing at [[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons]]. Thanks. [[User talk:Sillyfolkboy|SFB]] 13:59, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

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== TfD notices ==

{{FYI|Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.}}
Two of WP:CUE's single-source citation templates have been nominated for deletion:
* [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 February 25#Template:BCA 2011]]
* [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 February 25#Template:AZBilliards]]
<span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>≼ </span> 08:08, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

== Cue tip size  ==

I've asked a question about the conversion of measurements of cue tip sizes at [[talk:Cue stick#cue tip size "Don't convert"]]. I'm soliciting wider input as that was the first edit to the page since 2012 and it doesn't appear widely watched. Please comment there to avoid duplication. Thanks, [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 19:31, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

== UMB website links ==

There appears to be a task ahead of those of us interested: the UMB, the governing body of carom billiards, seems to have moved their website from [http://www.umb.com umb.com] to [http://www.umb-carom.com umb-carom.com], thereby invalidating every link to their site that we have in articles. As many of those links are to specific subpages, and the new website has an entirely different structure, a simple bot task replacing the "umb" in URLs with "umb-carom" is not going to work. Indeed, I'm pretty sure that many of the old pages don't have clear replacements. This is going to be a fairly large manual undertaking, and frankly I'm not sure where to start, being that carol carom is not a variety I'm particularly familiar with. In other words, I am unable to help with the solution, but I figured it'd be better to note the problem so others that do know the sport better can take a crack at it. [[User:Oknazevad|oknazevad]] ([[User talk:Oknazevad|talk]]) 17:06, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
:Blech. Hopefully archive.org can recover a lot of them, and site-specific Google searches can find where some of have moved to in the new site. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>≼ </span> 01:56, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

== André Gagnaux ==
{{Resbox|Fixed}}
[[André Gagnaux]] was categorized under [[:Category:Cue sports referees and officials]], which is tagged as a container (subcats only), but I'm unsure whether it belongs in one of the existing subcats, needs a new subcat, or something else. [[User:Slivicon|Slivicon]] ([[User talk:Slivicon|talk]]) 23:46, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
:Good catch. That category isn't ready to be a container cat. yet; it would need a [[:Category:Carom billiards referees and officials]] subcat., but there's only one member to put in there as far as present articles go, named Gagnaux. I commented out the container cat. tag. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>≼ </span> 01:55, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

== DRV of cue sport citation template ==

{{FYI|Link to relevant discussion elsewhere.}}
Please see: [[Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2015 August 21#Template:AZBilliards]]

<small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]] ([[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|contribs]]) 04:26, 21 August 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

==Kings Cup==
Is the Kings Cup (being held in Manila in November 2015) a major pool event? -- [[Special:Contributions/70.51.44.60|70.51.44.60]] ([[User talk:70.51.44.60|talk]]) 06:39, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

== The use of self-published sources in snooker articles ==

There is an RFC relevant to this project regarding the use of personal blogs and fansites in snooker articles. So far there has only been one respondent but I would like to get further input since a large number of articles are affected: [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Snooker#RfC: Does the use of self-published sources in snooker articles violate BLPSPS and SPS?]]. [[User:Betty Logan|Betty Logan]] ([[User talk:Betty Logan|talk]]) 07:23, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

== Cue sports nav box matter ==

Your (plural) input is requested at [[Template talk:Cue sports nav#Section order]]. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>≼ </span> 17:55, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

== Blackball Pool ==

The content relating to Blackball Pool really needs to start again from scratch I think.
There are both misleading and incorrect statements. The structure would benefit from a revamp.

I could help with this.
There would I believe need to be more specifically about blackball. That after all is the title of the article.
An accurate summary of the actual rules of blackball is clearly necessary... and a little less information about WEPF rules which, if wanted, could be detailed (linked) in a completely separate article.

I'd structure it roughly along these lines.


'''Blackball Brief Overview'''

'''History...'''
* 8ball pool and its introduction to UK from USA.
* Development and increasing popularity.
* Reasons.
* Introduction in pubs and clubs.
* Variations in rules.
* Individual and team competition.
* Leagues, then governing bodies were created.
* Role of UK and South Africa in spreading blackball game worldwide.
* WPA involvement.
* Pub closure effects.
* Pool Halls increasingly providing blackball facilities.

'''Blackball Equipment...'''
* Balls.
* Tables.
* Cloth fabric.
* etc.
* Changes in equipment over time.
* Differences from other cue sports.

'''Rules...'''
* 8ball.
* Pub/Club Rules and variations.
* BAPTO Rules.
* WEPF Rules.
* Blackball.
* Comparison of rules.
* Merits of WPA blackball.

'''Unification...'''
* Confusion.
* Antagonism.
* WPA Meeting 2004.
* Purpose.
* Progress.
* Minor rules update 2008.
* Organisations/events subsequently switching to blackball.

'''Blackball Today...'''
* Current popularity.
* Countries playing.
* Live streaming growth.
* Organisations running blackball events eg IPA.
* Major events.

'''Use of Internet...'''
* Increasing at all levels.
* Promoting game and events.
* Streaming.
* Providing live results.
* Custom websites.
* Blogs.
* Facebook and twitter.  <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Blackballuk|Blackballuk]] ([[User talk:Blackballuk|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Blackballuk|contribs]]) 23:41, 23 February 2016 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

'''Governing Bodies.'''

'''Past Championships Winners.'''

'''Links.'''


Best Regards, Bill Hunter
[[User:Blackballuk|Blackballuk]] ([[User talk:Blackballuk|talk]]) 23:33, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

== Eight-ball variations ==

{{FYI|Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.}}
Please see [[Talk:Eight-ball#Variations not documented yet]]. There are several variations that may need to be covered and are not (plus a few asserted that are probably just regional [[WP:NFT]] material we shouldn't be covering). <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>≼ </span> 09:41, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

== Sang Lee International Open and Verhoeven Open ==
{{FYI|pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.}}
Please see split proposal at what is presently [[Talk:Verhoeven Open#Split]] (after an undiscussed move and questionable scope expansion to cover two unrelated events). <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>≼ </span> 02:36, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

==Women in Red online editathon on sports==

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==RFC on sports notability==
An RFC has recently been started regarding a potential change to the notability guidelines for sportspeople. Please [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Global consensus check:Sports notability guideline|join in the conversation]]. Thank you. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 23:08, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

== Artistic pool, and sources ==

We really need to do a proper [[Artistic pool]] article (it presently just redirects to a section at [[Trick shot]]).  This has become a major cue sport with a lot of television coverage, and today way more amateur (thanks to Tom Rossman's efforts in running side events at amateur eight-ball league national championships for many years; I was in one of those!) and professional, international competition than a decade ago when it was basically Mike Massey and and handful of other guys.

I've been alerted by Rossman to the fact that ArtisticPoolPlayers.com, which is frequently cited at pages like [[Andy Segal]], is a one-author blog, and thus not a reliable source per [[WP:SPS]].  There are various sites run but league organizations that are more reliable, but he suggests using http://wpa~apd.com, since it's run by the [[World Pool-Billiard Association]], the primary [[sport governing body]] for cue sports other than snooker and three-cushion.  I'm not sure if it will have information on all titles and tournaments or just WPA ones, but at any rate it's going to be the no. 1 source for WPA artistic pool stats, since it's the most official source of them. 

PS: I'm going to post a copy of this over at [[Talk:Trick shot]]. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] &gt;<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>&lt; </span> 10:11, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

== High-priority article to create: [[Chinese pool]] ==

[[Chinese pool]] a.k.a. [[Chinese eight-ball pool]], not to be confused with [[Chinese eight-ball]] ([[Chinese 8-ball]]).

This is a new-ish variant of [[eight-ball]], using snooker-style rails and pockets. It is sanctioned by the WPA, and open to international amateur and professional competition; redlink from [[Darren Appleton]], [[List of world eight-ball champions]], etc.  Needs to be disambiguated from "[[Chinese eight-ball]]" which isn't really Chinese.

Mention of it needs to be integrated into key articles like [[Eight-ball]], [[Blackball (pool)]], [[Cue sports]], [[World Pool-Billiard Association]], etc.<br /><span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] &gt;<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>&lt; </span> 20:23, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

== English dialect, a two articles ==

{{FYI|Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.}}
Please see [[Talk:Billiard table#English dialect]]; the discussion there about [[MOS:ENGVAR|which variant of English to use]] has implications for that article and [[Billiard ball]] as well. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] &gt;<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>&lt; </span> 13:09, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

== [[Lynette Horsburgh]] AfD ==

{{FYI|Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.}}
Please see [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lynette Horsburgh]]. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 08:09, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

== Reliable sources? ==

Hi All, 

Does anyone have any good place for sourcing for Pool articles (Specifically, the World 9-Ball Championships, and the world cup of Pool events). There seems to be a lot of issues with using azbilliards, as it's stuck behind a paywall. Is there anywhere else for match results? '''[[User:Lee Vilenski|<span style="color:green">Lee Vilenski</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lee Vilenski|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/Lee Vilenski|contribs]])</sup>''' 09:28, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

== The Color of Money ==

The Color of Money was a nine-ball challenge match between Efren Reyes and Earl Strickland in 1996. As some of you might know, the match is named after the film starring Tom Cruise. Because of that, I wonder if its a good idea to put some information about the match in some "Legacy" section in the film's article? [[Special:Contributions/2605:E000:2E54:8F0:4C03:70A9:D87A:F1FE|2605:E000:2E54:8F0:4C03:70A9:D87A:F1FE]] ([[User talk:2605:E000:2E54:8F0:4C03:70A9:D87A:F1FE|talk]]) 20:57, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

== Infobox Pool Player ==

Hi all, 

I've created a very basic trial for [[Template:Infobox pool player]]. See how it looks, and if any of the fields need changing. It seemed a bit odd that we have hunreds of BLPs, whilst we had only the infobox person and infobox Snooker to deal with. Any questions, hints or distain, let me know. '''[[User:Lee Vilenski|<span style="color:green">Lee Vilenski</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lee Vilenski|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/Lee Vilenski|contribs]])</sup>''' 14:29, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
:Summary of user talk feedback: Great idea; [[Pool]] is a DAB page; [[Nickname]] need not be linked; people will probably want parameters for reported earnings, and for world records. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 16:40, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

== Commentator comments ==

Is it okay to use commentator comments from televised matches as sources? [[User:Rattatast|Rattatast]] ([[User talk:Rattatast|talk]]) 15:41, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
: {{U|Rattatast}} Generally speaking, this would be a fat no. There are always exceptions to any sourcing rules. I could see any arguement for potentially [[WP:BLP]] articles to have it sourced for nicknames, or similar. We generally use [[WP:RS]] to make arguments on Wikipedia. 

:What were you trying to source? '''[[User:Lee Vilenski|<span style="color:green">Lee Vilenski</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lee Vilenski|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/Lee Vilenski|contribs]])</sup>''' 17:07, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

::Occasionally during matches, commentators would talk about a player's past. Therefore this sometimes makes them providers of such information. [[User:Rattatast|Rattatast]] ([[User talk:Rattatast|talk]]) 18:15, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
== AfD notice for [[American 14.1 Straight Pool Championship]] ==

{{FYI|pointer=y}}
Please see [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American 14.1 Straight Pool Championship]].

While it hasn't been suggested yet, it would actually be possible to merge this with [[U.S. Open Straight Pool Championship]] in a re-organized article. The current tournament by that name, and the American 14.1 Straight Pool Championship, are both modern attempts to fill the gap left by the demise of the original, historical U.S. Open Straight Pool Championship (which was under different management – the modern tournament by that name is not actually the same event but simply has the same name). I'm not sure I would support such a merge, and it would require rewriting the base article at U.S. Open Straight Pool Championship, to identify an original tournament by that name and two successor tournaments, one also named U.S. Open Straight Pool Championship and one named American 14.1 Straight Pool Championship. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 13:32, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
== Various improvements ==

Merry christmas. In an attempt to get the [[WP:CUE]] wikiproject active again, I've fully updated our list of [[WP:CUETODO|to dos]]. I will be doing some more updates to other things, but here is what I view as the most important areas to improve/create/update:

# Create BLPs. We have a list at [[WP:CUEBIOS]]; although checking out the [[de:Wikipedia]] is a great place to find current bios, or at least sourcing for any bios. Anyone who has at least reached a quarter-final in a world title is notable, as far as I'm concerned. If you struggle, anyone who has played in the [[Mosconi Cup]] needs an article; or any world champion. 
# Tournament articles. See [[WP:CUEEVENTS]]. I see us requiring at least all of the main tournament articles to be completed. The big one is [[World 14.1 Continuous Championship]]. After the main tournaments articles, articles for individual year events such as the [[2009 WPA World Eight-ball Championship]]. A lot of these already have the brackets on the German wikipedia that simply need to be translated/changed formats. 
# [[WP:CUEGAMES]] - Articles on versions of pool sports. Information on [[Hand billiards]]; [[Artistic pool]]; and some information on [[Continuous pool]]. 
# The new {{tl|Infobox pool player}} needs adding to all pool BLPs (unless they are predominantly a Snooker player). 

I have a gold account (and, could potentially sort one out for others who are interested) for [https://www.azbilliards.com azbilliards]. This is the best place for sourcing/information; and they have been very supportive to me in the past. I'm currently speaking to the WPA for additional sourcing materials. In addition to the above, I have put an auto-archive on this page (as it's huge), and I will work on some templates to bring in new members. Thanks for reading. '''[[User:Lee Vilenski|<span style="color:green">Lee Vilenski</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lee Vilenski|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/Lee Vilenski|contribs]])</sup>''' 16:08, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

:Also, as an aside, inviting new members to the wikiproject is as simple as posting: <nowiki>{{subst:Cue sports welcome}}</nowiki> on a userpage, which will display the following '''[[User:Lee Vilenski|<span style="color:green">Lee Vilenski</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lee Vilenski|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/Lee Vilenski|contribs]])</sup>''' 16:38, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
{{Cue sports welcome}}
== A new newsletter directory is out! ==

A new '''[[Template:Newsletters|Newsletter directory]]''' has been created to replace the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:List_of_newsletters&oldid=891896284 old, out-of-date one]. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like [https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page WikiSpecies]), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the [[Template talk:Newsletters|template's talk page]] and someone will add it for you.
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== Ronnie O'Sullivan's 15 Reds-15 Pinks vs Stephen Maguire  ==

I'm surprised to see that Ronnie's 15 Red-15 Pinks vs Stephen Maguire is missing from the Wiki bio on him.<br />
'''Ronnie O'Sullivan 15 Pink Finisher vs Stephen Maguire 2006 UK Championship'''<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hICY9KXh058</ref>
I think it should be included. It need not be under a separate subject/headline, just integrated with the natural flow.
[[User:Moitraanak|Moitraanak]] ([[User talk:Moitraanak|talk]]) 19:34, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
:A YouTube video of him completing the pink ball maximum isn't really enough. Is there any news sources that commented on it? Best Wishes, '''[[User:Lee Vilenski|<span style="color:green">Lee Vilenski</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lee Vilenski|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/Lee Vilenski|contribs]])</sup>''' 19:36, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
::You'd also be better off posting these sorts of questions at [[WP:SNOOKER]]. Best Wishes, '''[[User:Lee Vilenski|<span style="color:green">Lee Vilenski</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lee Vilenski|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/Lee Vilenski|contribs]])</sup>''' 19:48, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
== Nomination of [[:Portal:Snooker]] for deletion ==
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The page will be discussed at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Snooker]] until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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==Two month virtual editathon on Women in Sports==
[[wp:Women in Red|WikiProject Women in Red]] is devoting the next two months (July and August) to a [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/126|virtual editathon on Women in Sports]]. Please take this opportunity to write more articles about women in cue sports who lag far behind men on Wikipedia.--[[User:Ipigott|Ipigott]] ([[User talk:Ipigott|talk]]) 07:22, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
== Request for information on WP1.0 web tool ==

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the [[User:WP_1.0_bot|WP 1.0 Bot]]! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the [[:toolforge:enwp10/cgi-bin/pindex.fcgi|web tool]] that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScK30kJtKQ3cp-QLY1VJhB94HP2q6437Cdk3E2rVRYHowcL4A/viewform?usp=sf_link this Google form] where you can leave your response. [[User:Walkerma|Walkerma]] ([[User talk:Walkerma|talk]]) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
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== Infobox template discussion ==

{{FYI|pointer=y}}
Please see [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Snooker/Archives/2020/March#Infobox template]], which also involves discussion of player infoboxes for non-snooker cue disciplines. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 21:10, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
== Help with a little bit of "unhelpful editing" ==

Hi all. There were three edits on the [[World Billiards Championship (English billiards)]] article made on 6 November that ought to be reverted. I think there should be more to addressing this than just undoing those edits, would someone more experienced than I am in these matters please be able to take a look? Thanks in advance. [[User:BennyOnTheLoose|BennyOnTheLoose]] ([[User talk:BennyOnTheLoose|talk]]) 17:57, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
:If it was just the last three edits, I reverted as clear vandalism. Probably could give them a warning, but couldn't see the point as it wasn't that bad. Best Wishes, '''[[User:Lee Vilenski|<span style="color:green">Lee Vilenski</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lee Vilenski|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/Lee Vilenski|contribs]])</sup>''' 19:34, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
:Thanks - again! [[User:BennyOnTheLoose|BennyOnTheLoose]] ([[User talk:BennyOnTheLoose|talk]]) 23:05, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
== Missing players lists ==

Hi! I have a few lists for players that are on wikidata, but not on wikipedia (for whatever reason) that updates every now and again. These also contain links to images on commons, and links to other language wikipedias. It might be a good idea to look through and see which ones are deemed as notable on en.wiki. 

* [[User:Lee Vilenski/cue sports red lists|Cue sports players]]
* [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Cue sport players|Women only cue sport players]]

I also have this list of articles that do currently exist. It might be a good one to watchlist, as it shows new articles and articles that have recently been deleted:

* [[User:Lee Vilenski/cue sports blue links|Current cue sport articles‎]]

Let me know if these are helpful, or if they need tweaking. Best Wishes, '''[[User:Lee Vilenski|<span style="color:green">Lee Vilenski</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lee Vilenski|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/Lee Vilenski|contribs]])</sup>''' 12:37, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
:Yes, I find these helpful, thanks. Redlisted John Roberts (Q20804729) has an article at [[John Roberts Sr.]]. [[User:BennyOnTheLoose|BennyOnTheLoose]] ([[User talk:BennyOnTheLoose|talk]]) 00:20, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
::These are based on wikidata. The item is now linked on there, so if will update with the next listeria bot update. Best Wishes, '''[[User:Lee Vilenski|<span style="color:green">Lee Vilenski</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lee Vilenski|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/Lee Vilenski|contribs]])</sup>''' 13:08, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
== AZ Billiards subscription ==

Hello. I was wondering if anyone has a subscription to AZ Billiards. I have at least ten statements that need verification at [[Talk:Gerda Hofstätter/GA1]] but are unfortunately hidden behind a paywall. Thanks! --[[User:MrLinkinPark333|MrLinkinPark333]] ([[User talk:MrLinkinPark333|talk]]) 21:33, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
== WP Cue sports, Ongoing activities section, new links ==

Greetings {{ping|SMcCandlish}} - Saw your 2011 request [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cue_sports/Archive_1#Popular_pages_feature here] and thought to let you know. Today I added link to monthly "Popular pages" and daily "Quality operations" log. [[User:JoeNMLC|JoeNMLC]] ([[User talk:JoeNMLC|talk]]) 15:09, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
:Thanks. :-)  Has it really been that long?  I feel like a wiki-fossil. Heh. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 00:48, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
== Article on Kamal Chawla ==

Hello, I have created an article “Draft: Kamal Chawla” which has been in review for about 5+ weeks now. This article is on Kamal Chawla who is a Billiards/Snooker player and has represented India in multiple events and won awards. Wanted to check if there is a way to expedite the review process. I have resolved all open comments so far on this article, hence wanted to check how soon this can be published. [[User:Kcsnooker|Kcsnooker]] ([[User talk:Kcsnooker|talk]]) 17:44, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
:[[Draft: Kamal Chawla]]? I'll take a look. Best Wishes, '''[[User:Lee Vilenski|<span style="color:green">Lee Vilenski</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lee Vilenski|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/Lee Vilenski|contribs]])</sup>''' 18:24, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
::I think it's very likely this person isn't all that notable. The article is quite promotional, and you probably have a [[WP:COI]] with the subject. Also, you suggested that the subject had a third place on the [[2011 World Snooker Championship]] which is incredibly over exaggerated. Best Wishes, '''[[User:Lee Vilenski|<span style="color:green">Lee Vilenski</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lee Vilenski|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/Lee Vilenski|contribs]])</sup>''' 18:29, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
::{{ping|Kcsnooker}} A review of [[WP:NPOV]] and [[MOS:TONE]] are probably in order.  The material cannot read like a profile in a magazine.  Encyclopedic writing is very "dry". <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 00:48, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the prompt response and review comments provided. Please find below my responses:
1. I re-looked at the article and made few wording changes to avoid the article seeming to be promotional. Entire content now is based on facts with references provided. It would really help if you share any segment which seems promotional and I would be happy to make further edits.
2. Yes, I have COI with the subject as I know the person, hence in full transparency called that out. Please do let me know if this is an issue. Since all the content is based on facts (which are referenced too), I hope COI is not a problem.
3. I do not see a reference to World Snooker championship of 2011, England in the article. The article references IBSF World Snooker Championship at Bangalore in 2011.  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Kcsnooker|Kcsnooker]] ([[User talk:Kcsnooker#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kcsnooker|contribs]]) 16:43, 8 July 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Hello, bumping up this thread to see if there are any more questions! [[User:Kcsnooker|Kcsnooker]] ([[User talk:Kcsnooker|talk]]) 14:28, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
== [[Pichenotte]] nominated for deletion or merger ==

{{FYI|pointer=y}}
Please see [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pichenotte]]. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 02:28, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
== The Cue sports Barnstar ==

[[File:Cue sports Barnstar.png|200px]]<br />

Introducing [[Template:The Cue sports Barnstar]]. [[User:Jerm|Jerm]] ([[User talk:Jerm|talk]]) 03:11, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
== Stein & Rubino's ''Billiards Encyclopedia'' for cheap ==

At the risk of sounding spammy, I want to note that Stein & Rubino's huge ''Billiards Encyclopedia'' (3rd and probably final edition) is on deep discount at eBay.  One of the authors is selling off what must be his personal stockpile of them.  Not unusual; my old ''Protecting Yourself Online'' book was something I had several cases of (though I mostly gave them away).  Anyway, S&R's book and Shamos's ''New Encyclopedia of Billiards'' are key sources in this topic area (though avoid the original edition, without "New" in the title, and the red-cover version under a different title, which is the same text as the original); the newer edition had many additions and corrections made to it.  I looked, and it is also much cheaper on eBay for now than Amazon, and I'm seeing this a lot (at least with games- and sports-related nonfiction, which is what I was looking at).  That can change at any times, so it's always a good idea to check both before buying a book to use as a source. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 18:53, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
:I checked this out. I picked up Shamos' book, sadly Stein & Rubino's book was still up at well over £100 for me, and postage is about £20 for me in the UK, which is a bit too rich for my blood. I feel a membership to the BNA would be of more use. Thanks for letting me know though! Best Wishes, '''[[User:Lee Vilenski|<span style="color:green">Lee Vilenski</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lee Vilenski|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/Lee Vilenski|contribs]])</sup>''' 10:29, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
== Request for Comment on SSN at [[WP:Notability (sports)]] ==
There is a discussion on SSN (sport specific guidelines) at [[Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)#RFC on Notability (sports) policy and reliability issues|RFC on Notability (sports) policy and reliability issues]]. Feel free to go there and post your comments.[[User:Cassiopeia|<b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:105%;color:#FA0"> Cassiopeia</b>]]<sup>([[User talk:CASSIOPEIA|<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>]])</sup> 00:55, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
== Delet ==

Hi! Can you Help me?
Is it normal to delet national Snooker Champions?
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== Cannabis and sports ==

New stub: '''[[Cannabis and sports]]'''. Any project members care to help expand? ---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 17:58, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
== Cue sports portal ==

[[Portal:Cue sports]] is back, new and improved compared to the old (deleted) version. The [[Portal:Cue sports/Selected articles]] page could use more entries, so if anyone here is into it, feel free to add more articles there. <span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User:Northamerica1000|North America]]<sup>[[User talk:Northamerica1000|<span style="font-size: x-small;">1000</span>]]</sup></span> 09:44, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
:I can't say I understand the need for portals, but at least there is plenty of quality content to fill it up. Might be worth a message at [[WT:SNOOKER]] too, which is more active. Best Wishes, '''[[User:Lee Vilenski|<span style="color:green">Lee Vilenski</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lee Vilenski|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/Lee Vilenski|contribs]])</sup>''' 10:28, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
== User script to detect unreliable sources ==

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I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to [[WP:URS|unreliable sources]] and [[predatory journal]]s. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the [[Wikipedia:User scripts/Most imported scripts|39th most imported script on Wikipedia]]. The idea is that it takes something like
*John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14. (<code><nowiki>John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.</nowiki></code>)
and turns it into something like
* John Smith "{{highlight|[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]|pink}}" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{tl|cite web}}, {{tl|cite journal}} and {{tl|doi}}.

The script is mostly based on [[WP:RSPSOURCES]], [[WP:NPPSG]] and [[WP:CITEWATCH]] and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is '''not a script to be mindlessly used''', and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at [[User:Headbomb/unreliable]]. Questions, comments and requests can be made at [[User talk:Headbomb/unreliable]].

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== Is Chris Turner's Snooker Archive a reliable source? ==

Opinions are being sought [[Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Chris_Turner's_Snooker_Archive|here]]. Regards, [[User:BennyOnTheLoose|BennyOnTheLoose]] ([[User talk:BennyOnTheLoose|talk]]) 13:34, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
== World Straight Pool Championship ==

The [[World Straight Pool Championship]] is a pool tournament where some editions were sanctioned to be world championships while the rest, which makes up the majority, weren't. The reason why I posted this was that some users removed the editions from 2009 and 2011-2019 because those events weren't sanctioned. I think those unsanctioned events can be included because those events and the ones that sanctioned are basically the same tournament. What do you think? [[Special:Contributions/104.172.112.209|104.172.112.209]] ([[User talk:104.172.112.209|talk]]) 22:44, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
:Yes, they should be included, or the article is incomplete. We should just be clear in the article about which ones were WPA sanctioned and which were not. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 03:37, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
[[User:Leed andrew|Leed andrew]] goes against the idea of including the unsanctioned editions in the article simply because they weren't sanctioned. Yes, some editions of Charlie Williams' 14.1 tournament were WPA-sanctioned while others weren't. But beyond the sanctioning statuses of the editions, everything is the same when it comes to how they were presented and played. [[Special:Contributions/104.172.112.209|104.172.112.209]] ([[User talk:104.172.112.209|talk]]) 02:45, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Unsanctioned titles shouldn't be included, as it falsely promotes them as valid when they are not. Dragon Promotions have a vested interest in making their unsanctioned tournament sound important in order to sell entries for it, which still gets barely any notice. Wikipedia is not here to promote a minor tournament on behalf of its organizers. [[User:Oknazevad|oknazevad]] ([[User talk:Oknazevad|talk]]) 19:07, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
:The events from 1912 to 1920 weren't sanctioned by any governing body yet they're included in the article. [[Special:Contributions/104.172.112.209|104.172.112.209]] ([[User talk:104.172.112.209|talk]]) 20:14, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
::They're historic events from before the formation of the governing bodies and the winners have long been retroactively recognized by the WPA and BCA as historic champions. That's entirely different than a current promoter claiming their tournament is a world title with no sanctioning. [[User:Oknazevad|oknazevad]] ([[User talk:Oknazevad|talk]]) 20:31, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
:::Here's what happened. When Charlie Williams staged his straight pool tournaments, the 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2010 editions were sanctioned by the WPA to be world championships. The WPA stopped sanctioning the tournament in later editions because of financial problems. But despite that, the unsanctioned editions are pretty much the same as the sanctioned ones in terms of the quality of the players, the format, and the presentation. [[Special:Contributions/104.172.112.209|104.172.112.209]] ([[User talk:104.172.112.209|talk]]) 02:04, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
::::But they remain unsanctioned. And, frankly, I dispute the claim that they are pretty much the same in terms of quality. They struggled to fill the brackets and had a lot of no-name players. It's obvious from looking at the paltry coverage they received on AZ Billiards that any claim to world championship status was dubious. I'm beginning to wonder why you're so insistent on including unsanctioned events, to be frank. [[User:Oknazevad|oknazevad]] ([[User talk:Oknazevad|talk]]) 03:26, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::While the unsanctioned events are definitely not world championships, they retained the spirit of their sanctioned world championship counterparts. [[Special:Contributions/104.172.112.209|104.172.112.209]] ([[User talk:104.172.112.209|talk]]) 23:07, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
::::::That's just a sad statement. And totally POV. [[User:Oknazevad|oknazevad]] ([[User talk:Oknazevad|talk]]) 14:23, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::Whether the "quality" (which WP has nothing to say about, being a PoV matter) has slipped is irrelevant. The article coverage will be incomplete and downright misleading without the unsanctioned years. The event did not just stop, it simply changed business arrangements.  Whether one source likes to continue devoting heavy coverage to it or not is irrelevant. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 11:17, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
::::::Nonsense. If it's not sanctioned it's not a world championship. Period.Including it is promotional and POV. [[User:Oknazevad|oknazevad]] ([[User talk:Oknazevad|talk]]) 01:17, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::::True, the unsanctioned events are not world championships. But those events and the WPA-sanctioned ones are still the same tournament. Though the promoter is unable to get a governing body have any involvement in the later editions of his tournament because of money issues, a number of things are kept. The format is the same, the style of which the tournament is presented is the same, and players who finished first, second, and third still get to stand on a podium and be medaled. The sanctioning maybe gone, but the essence still exists.  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/104.172.112.209|104.172.112.209]] ([[User talk:104.172.112.209#top|talk]]) 09:17, 3 February 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
== RfD ==

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== Project-independent quality assessments ==

Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at [[Wikipedia:Content assessment]], but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent [[WP:Village pump (proposals)/Archive_198#Project-independent_quality_assessments|Village pump proposal]] was approved and has been implemented to add a {{para|class}} parameter to {{tl|WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

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== List of champions ==

I've been wondering. When creating a table listing the champions of a tournament, the champions are usually listed from earliest to latest. It is normal and traditional to write first what came first.

In the article [[U.S. Open Straight Pool Championship]], the champions used to be listed earliest to latest. But some later users, mostly IPs, relisted the champions from latest to earliest. What kind of style is that? [[User:Rattatast|Rattatast]] ([[User talk:Rattatast|talk]]) 16:07, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

:Where did newest first become traditional? 
:These should be sortable, so it shouldn't really be an issue. '''[[User:Lee Vilenski|<span style="color:green">Lee Vilenski</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lee Vilenski|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/Lee Vilenski|contribs]])</sup>''' 18:48, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

::The idea of listing things from latest to earliest, I don't know where it is traditional, but I see it as unnatural. [[User:Rattatast|Rattatast]] ([[User talk:Rattatast|talk]]) 01:07, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
== Sudden Death Seven-ball ==

Someone's put a [[WP:Proposed deletion]] tag on [[Sudden Death Seven-ball]]. As sources about it seem few and far between, I've not been inclined to remove the prod tag, since [[WP:AFD]] would probably delete the stub. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 16:08, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
== AfD: ''Virtual Pool 4'' ==

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== Major table deletion at [[List of world three-cushion billiards champions]] ==

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Please see [[Talk:List of world three-cushion billiards champions#Major deletion]]. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 18:37, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
== AfD: ''Sudden Death Seven-ball'' ==

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Please see: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sudden Death Seven-ball]] <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 21:07, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
== List of cue sports media? ==

What do we collectively think about a [[List of cue sports media]] article, for TV shows, video games, etc.?  Lots of such stuff doesn't quite meet the [[WP:Notability]] threshold for individual stand-alone articles, but seems to meet the [[WP:NOT#INDISCRIMINATE]] threshold for entries in a list article.  I had the recently deleted [[Sudden Death Seven-ball]] userspaced to [[User:SMcCandlish/Incubator/Sudden Death Seven-ball]] to cannibalize for a list entry, and there were several previously deleted TV shows and video games that could also be [[WP:REFUND]]ed for such a purpose.  There are off-site articles and lists we can draw on, e.g. [https://www.billiardsmovies.com/complete-list-of-movies-shorts-and-tv-shows/ here], and [https://poolmania.com/en/blog/post/5-billiard-movies-you-shouldnt-miss/390 here] and so on, probably also some for games. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 01:32, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
== Shakeup/drama with WPA in the pro-pool news; also, Fedor Gorst playing for the US ==

From what I can gather from this billiards news pience, with a cagey interview with a WPA rep, WPA has instituted a new rule that pro players will be barred (starting in March 2024) from WPA-sanctioned events for 6 months after participation in any non-WPA-sanctioned events (plus lose all their WPA ranking points, and be subject to a US$500 fine), causing some pros to just abandon WPA entirely and go with events organized by Matchroom Sport, et al. Need to find more info about what's going on, though, from other sources if possible. The Shane Tyree interviewed was speaking as the North American WPA rep, but is also the current head of the [[Billiard Congress of America|BCA]][https://bca-pool.com/page/1]. The drama relates to a 2022 decision by [[Matchroom Sport]] to stop seeking WPA sanctioning for Matchroom-organized events. WPA's position is that Matchroom's setting up of unsanctioned events all over the world undermines WPA's ability to [[Sport governing body|"govern" the sport]] and reach its eventual Olympic goals. One particular issue was Matchroom scheduling events that have direct date conflicts with "official" WPA ones. As Mosconi Cup is no longer WPA sactioned, this is forcing some top pros to pick a side. And the impact on lower-ranked players is going to be more marked in Europe (especially Germany) and some parts of Asia, where WPA federations have been subsidizing players (giving them more reason to side with WPA), unlike in the US were the BCA (the WPA affiliate for North America, narrowly defined as the US and Canada) doesn't do much for players, perhaps giving N.Am. players a greater incentive to jump ship to a non-WPA schedule, especially since there is more money available via Matchroom and other non-WPA events (the US is chock full of independent tournaments). A salient quote from host Panozzo: "The players who were quick to make a definitive statement are all behind Matchroom. I have yet to see a single comment from anyone saying 'I'm 100% WPA. Go team!{{'"}} [49:43] The piece seems to indicate that BCA did not really go along with this larger WPA decision willingly. And the pushing out to a deadline about 6 months away is seen as leaving room open for more negotiation between the WPA governing-body NGO and the Matchroom for-profit organization. More detail might be extractable from the interview segement (I didn't pore over all of it), but it has to be taken as primary-source material, that is also being phrased very carefully as PR and policy-stance-taking, like a statement from a politician. The relevant material in the longer clip ends at 1:16:38.

Just the interview:
* {{cite web |title=Interview with Shane Tyree about WPA News |last=Tyree |first1=Shane |last2=Panozzo |first2=Mike |date=October 18, 2023 |work=Billiards Digest Live |publisher=Luby Publishing / [[American Poolplayers Association]] |via=Facebook |url= https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=6809703362453796}}

Longer show with some additional background, pertinenet material starting at 42:24 (and includes the above interview segment, starting 50:40):
*{{cite web |title=Billiards Digest Live - October 2023 |last1=Panozzo |first1=Mike |last2=Bowman |first2=Jason |display-authors=etal |date=October 11, 2023 |work=Billiards Digest Live |publisher=Luby Publishing / [[American Poolplayers Association]] |via=Facebook |url= https://www.facebook.com/poolplayers/videos/706025708227617}}

Some other news earlier in the longer piece is that [[Fedor Gorst]] of Russia has been granted permanent US residency, and while originally slated to play for Team Europe in the upcoming [[Mosconi Cup]] will actually be playing for Team USA.

Anyway, I'm not in a rush to go edit articles with this material yet; thought it better to bring it here for further looking first. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 22:44, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
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== [[All Japan Championship (pool)]] AKA Japan Open needs work ==

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Please see: [[Talk:All Japan Championship (pool)#Too much missing information, and possible reason for a split]]. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 06:10, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
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