Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Immortal Game

Immortal Game

Original

Reason

If you're not a chess expert, you might not realize that Black is losing badly until it's too late.

Proposed caption

The immortal game was a chess game played on 21 June 1851 by Adolf Anderssen (white) and Lionel Kieseritzky (black). It is one of the most famous chess games of all time, and acclaimed as an excellent deomonstration of the style of chess play in the 19th century, when where rapid development and attack were considered the most effective way to win. In this game, Anderssen achieves checkmate and wins despite sacrificing a bishop, both rooks, and the queen.

Articles this image appears in

Chess, Immortal game

Creator

User:Karophyr, with edits by User:Capmo

• Support as nominator -- Spikebrennan (talk) 21:36, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
• Uber support. It doesn't get any more encyclopedic than this. But please change the delay to 3s for all frames, I want to actually see what's going on --ffroth 05:10, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
• Comment It is hard to follow which chesspiece moves from where when. I know you're not the image creator, but maybe this could be improved by shortly highlighting which chesspiece will be moved in the next few frames. – sgeureka^t•c 09:27, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Or by actually animating the move. As it stands, it's really hard to keep up...it moves so fast that you see the space it moves to before you see the space it moves from. I'm going to oppose until it either blinks before the move, or it animates the move. tiZom_(2¢) 16:25, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
    • I second that. The pieces should drag themselves over to their new position (hard to do for knights because they jump…)--HereToHelp 18:10, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
      • ...And you'd have a 20MB gif on your hands --ffroth 20:24, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
• Support. The game is well known and this animation is compulsive viewing. It's astonishing how badly Kieseritzky plays for a chessmaster. SilkTork *SilkyTalk 13:10, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose if not sourced (otherwise neutral), because as of now it's not verifiable. It's probably not hard to check this against the article? But still, images like this need sources on their pages. gren グレン 13:50, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

This game is included in most introductory chess books, such as The Mammoth Book of the World's Greatest Chess Games (ISBN 978-0786705870). The portable game notation is available here. MER-C 03:16, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose Support Ryo 15:34, 17 November 2007 (UTC) I suspect this was made with a chess program. I think anything that raises the interest in chess is great, but it is hard to support an export type file. If it were unique, and easy to discern it from the "Save as animated gif" feature of several programs it would get my support for sure. Cheers, Ryo 15:34, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Don't you recognize it? The creator says that he took every individual frame of the game, ran them through Wikipedia's chess template, and animated the frames --ffroth 16:30, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Ahh good point and thanks for pointing that out. Revised to support...cheers, Ryo

• Oppose I'd support a slower version with smoother transitions. It's interesting, entertaining and educational, just a headache to watch. --mikaul^talk 18:46, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Come on nominator, get on it, it's in the bag! --ffroth 20:22, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
    • Don't shoot me, I'm just the piano player. I think the image is fine as is-- and it's consistent with Wikipedia's other chess illustrations. I did reach out to the creator of the animation, though, to alert him (her?) to the points raised by this discussion. Spikebrennan (talk) 04:40, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
• Support It's not that hard to follow if you at least know the rules of movement of chess pieces, but the last frame should be a little longer though. --antilived^{T | C | G} 10:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
• Support IF the motions were more apparent. It doesn't need to be actual motion - it could be a line from the source to the destination. The image should also show the sacrificed pieces on the sidelines, since that is an important part of the subject. Also I would hold on the last frame for much longer. — BRIAN0918 • 2007-11-20 14:29Z
• Oppose but only because of the concerns above; this can and should be featured, but it needs refinement. Perhaps a line showing each move, and showing which move number they're on? --Golbez (talk) 22:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
• Support Despite speed issues it is a very good animation of a chess game, which I think is fairly hard to do well. Cat-five - talk 23:25, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

No consensus MER-C 04:48, 24 November 2007 (UTC)