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The result was '''keep'''‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> ––[[User:FormalDude|<span style="color:#0645ad">Formal</span><span style="color:black">Dude</span>]] [[User talk:FormalDude|<span style="font-size:95%">(talk)</span>]] 13:30, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
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I've been considering a PROD, but given [https://www.theinformation.com/articles/softbank-backed-veho-struggles-as-logistics-startups-fail-to-deliver the article] in [[The Information (website)|''The Information'']] (which I did see is already in the article after my BEFORE) looks like a ''prima facie'' "maybe to yes", I've decided that it's sufficiently "potentially controversial" to merit AFD. However, none of the ''other'' sources are sufficient to be the second in the ''multiple'' required to meet [[WP:SIRS|SIRS]]. Most of them, both inside and out of the article, are the [[WP:CORPROUTINE|routine]] reprints of funding and expansion announcements that exist for almost any company that bothers issuing press releases.
I've been considering a PROD, but given [https://www.theinformation.com/articles/softbank-backed-veho-struggles-as-logistics-startups-fail-to-deliver the article] in [[The Information (website)|''The Information'']] (which I did see is already in the article after my BEFORE) looks like a ''prima facie'' "maybe to yes", I've decided that it's sufficiently "potentially controversial" to merit AFD. However, none of the ''other'' sources are sufficient to be the second in the ''multiple'' required to meet [[WP:SIRS|SIRS]]. Most of them, both inside and out of the article, are the [[WP:CORPROUTINE|routine]] reprints of funding and expansion announcements that exist for almost any company that bothers issuing press releases.
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I do see potential for this to be redirected to [[Last mile (transportation)#Last mile technology platforms]], or a similar article on the intersection of [[gig economy]] and that market (the latter of which not yet written, of course, but does appear possilikely to likely a notable topic), so that first redirect would be my proposal for now. [[User:Alpha3031|Alpha3031]] ([[User talk:Alpha3031|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alpha3031|c]]) 12:06, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
I do see potential for this to be redirected to [[Last mile (transportation)#Last mile technology platforms]], or a similar article on the intersection of [[gig economy]] and that market (the latter of which not yet written, of course, but does appear possilikely to likely a notable topic), so that first redirect would be my proposal for now. [[User:Alpha3031|Alpha3031]] ([[User talk:Alpha3031|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alpha3031|c]]) 12:06, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
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*'''Keep'''. I appreciate the [[WP:BOLD]]NESS for the nominator to begin what may be a controversial nomination with understandable rationales citing guidelines, as well as provide ideas on what to do if the article cannot be kept. With said that, there is a reason this is contestable: the suggestion that a lot of the sources, like the TechCrunch and Denver Business Journal ones, are simply routine announcements that are not independent sources. I am sorry, but [https://www.bizjournals.com/denver/news/2021/12/21/veho-delivery-technology-unicorn-colorado.html] and [https://www.bizjournals.com/denver/news/2021/12/21/veho-delivery-technology-unicorn-colorado.html] absolutely go above and beyond simply announcing funding, and they ARE independent sources, as they are written by authors not affiliated with the company for reliable sources with no connection to it. Articles like the examples I provide are way more than mentioning a fundraiser, summarizing Veho's place in the market and plans for the future. That is significant coverage. A '''merge''' into an article about the Gig economy would not be out of the question, however.[[User:HumanxAnthro]] ([[User talk:HumanxAnthro|<span style="color:Brown">Banjo</span>x<span style="color:Red">Kazooie</span>]]) 15:32, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
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*'''Keep''' meets [[WP:GNG]]. To meet WP:GNG, we need two in-depth references. One has already been provided by the nominator in the form of ''[[The Information (website)|The Information]]'' article ([https://www.theinformation.com/articles/softbank-backed-veho-struggles-as-logistics-startups-fail-to-deliver]). Per [[WP:BASIC]], we can combine multiple partial in-depth articles to establish notability. The second reference can be pieced together using partial coverage from ''WSJ'' and ''Bloomberg'' articles already mention above. This is a major startup by any standard, having received funding from prestigious investors such as [[:Category:Tiger Cub firms|Tiger Club firm]], [[Tiger Global Management]], and a fund from [[SoftBank]], another major investor. Lastly, this is a unicorn, and [[List of unicorn startup companies|in-depth coverage for unicorns almost always exists]], as demonstrated by the article already cited (with proper bylines, i.e. articles written by journalists ([[earned media]]), not press releases) from publications such as ''[[Reuters]]'' ([https://www.reuters.com/article/veho-funding-idCNL4N2UM2IS]), ''[[WSJ]]'' ([https://www.wsj.com/articles/supply-chain-technology-attabotics-misfits-11644612773]), ''[[South Florida Business Journal]]'' ([https://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/news/2022/05/25/veho-comes-to-florida.html]), ''Bloomberg'' ([https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-21/startup-couriers-snatch-toehold-in-biggest-shake-up-of-fedex-era]), ''[[Denver Business Journal]]'' ([https://www.bizjournals.com/denver/inno/stories/fundings/2022/02/16/veho-delivery-technology-colorado-series-b-venture.html], [https://www.bizjournals.com/denver/inno/stories/profiles/2019/09/24/boulders-veho-wants-to-be-the-uber-for-package.html]), ''[[TechCrunch]]'' ([https://techcrunch.com/2021/12/21/next-day-package-delivery-veho-series-a/], [https://techcrunch.com/2022/02/15/funding-round-veho-deliver/]), ''[[Boston Globe]]'' ([https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2017/04/26/three-startups-take-home-apiece-harvard-competition/DeFBthkAfRaGc0iekc9NkO/story.html]), ''[[Jacksonville Business Journal]]'' ([https://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2022/05/26/veho-comes-to-florida.html]), ''[[Orlando Business Journal]]'' ([https://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/news/2022/05/25/florida-orlando-jobs-veho-ecommerce-logistics.html]), ''[[The Heights (newspaper)|The Heights]]'' ([https://www.bcheights.com/2017/05/03/merging-uber-and-ups-with-harvard-based-startup-veho/]), ''[[Jacksonville Daily Record]]'' ([https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/news/2022/may/09/veho-shipping-company-opening-e-commerce-last-mile-delivery-station-in-jacksonville/], [https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/news/2022/may/25/veho-says-it-will-open-last-mile-service-in-jacksonville-by-year-end/]), ''Hartford Business Journal'' ([https://www.hartfordbusiness.com/article/logistics-provider-veho-opens-e-hartford-facility-as-part-of-northeast-expansion]), and ''[[New York Business Journal]]'' ([https://www.bizjournals.com/newyork/news/2021/12/27/veho-reaches-unicorn-status-nyc-tech-news.html]). There more than enough to write and establish the notability of this topic. [[User:Vstekrk|Vstekrk]] ([[User talk:Vstekrk|talk]]) 14:12, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
*:BASIC is for biographical notability. As far as I'm aware, Veho is not a person. [[User:Alpha3031|Alpha3031]] ([[User talk:Alpha3031|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alpha3031|c]]) 23:25, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' based on the listed references per an earlier discussion at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#A_few_AfDs_deadlocked_on_source_evaluation_question. - [[User:Indefensible|Indefensible]] ([[User talk:Indefensible|talk]]) 02:23, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
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Latest revision as of 13:30, 28 October 2023

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) ––FormalDude (talk) 13:30, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I've been considering a PROD, but given the article in The Information (which I did see is already in the article after my BEFORE) looks like a prima facie "maybe to yes", I've decided that it's sufficiently "potentially controversial" to merit AFD. However, none of the other sources are sufficient to be the second in the multiple required to meet SIRS. Most of them, both inside and out of the article, are the routine reprints of funding and expansion announcements that exist for almost any company that bothers issuing press releases.

It's worth noting there are two articles cited (WSJ, The Technology That’s Helping Companies Thrive Amid the Supply-Chain Chaos; Bloomberg, Couriers Snatch Toehold in Biggest Shake-Up of FedEx Era) plus BusinessInsider's Gig labor could have challenged FedEx and UPS. Now it's making them stronger. mentioning the company in relation to the broader market, however they do not appear to address the company itself in sufficient detail to meet WP:CORPDEPTH. Unfortunately, I don't think there will be enough coverage to write an encyclopedic article per our current criteria.

I do see potential for this to be redirected to Last mile (transportation)#Last mile technology platforms, or a similar article on the intersection of gig economy and that market (the latter of which not yet written, of course, but does appear possilikely to likely a notable topic), so that first redirect would be my proposal for now. Alpha3031 (tc) 12:06, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 13:48, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. I appreciate the WP:BOLDNESS for the nominator to begin what may be a controversial nomination with understandable rationales citing guidelines, as well as provide ideas on what to do if the article cannot be kept. With said that, there is a reason this is contestable: the suggestion that a lot of the sources, like the TechCrunch and Denver Business Journal ones, are simply routine announcements that are not independent sources. I am sorry, but [1] and [2] absolutely go above and beyond simply announcing funding, and they ARE independent sources, as they are written by authors not affiliated with the company for reliable sources with no connection to it. Articles like the examples I provide are way more than mentioning a fundraiser, summarizing Veho's place in the market and plans for the future. That is significant coverage. A merge into an article about the Gig economy would not be out of the question, however.User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 15:32, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:31, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.