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== Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2023 ==
== Cow Tipping suggestions ==


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Under the pop culture page information about upcoming events on cow tipping could attract more viewers to the article. For example, The RH3C Cow Tipping Weekend 2017 is coming to Columbus, Ohio. The event will be help from 4/21 05:00pm to 4/23 12:00 pm at Magnuson Grand Columbus North. More information about the event can be found at https://hashrego.com/events/cow-tipping-weekend-2017
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There is also a family run ice cream truck business called "Cow Tipping Creamery" in Austin and Dallas Texas. This information could be useful under the metaphor section for another example. More information about this business can be found at https://www.cowtippingcreamery.com/locations-1[[User:Sknightt2|Sknightt2]] ([[User talk:Sknightt2|talk]]) 01:04, 22 February 2017 (UTC)


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[[User:Jax0987|Jax0987]] ([[User talk:Jax0987|talk]]) 20:08, 20 July 2023 (UTC)Jax0987 [[User:Jax0987|Jax0987]] ([[User talk:Jax0987|talk]]) 20:08, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
:"Attract more viewers to the article" doesn't align with Wikipedia's goals.
:For both the event and the business, if they are notable enough to merit an article on Wikipedia, then it would be appropriate to mention them. See [[WP:EVENT]] has inclusion criteria for events and [[WP:CORP]] has inclusion criteria for businesses. Otherwise there is no need to mention, or link to, the websites of non-notable events or businesses. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 01:15, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
:{{notdone}}. The purpose of the lead section is to summarize the body text. Steer wrestling isn't mentioned in the body text, and casting is already covered in the next paragraph of the lead. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 20:45, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
: Why have an article available online if you don't want to attract more viewers? WP:5p2 WP:5p5[[User:Sknightt2|Sknightt2]] ([[User talk:Sknightt2|talk]]) 16:29, 22 February 2017 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 21 July 2023 ==
::Not sure how you think advertising related events and products would "attract more viewers", but Wikipedia is [[WP:NOTDIRECTORY|not a company directory or listings magazine]]. If the Columbus event gets any press coverage after it's happened then it might be worth writing about to show how cow tipping has entered popular culture, but we shouldn't be advertising it in advance using only primary sources. --[[User:McGeddon|McGeddon]] ([[User talk:McGeddon|talk]]) 16:51, 22 February 2017 (UTC)


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:::I am not trying to advertise, all I wanted to add was examples of cow tipping being a figure of speech. I just included the links to give some background on my examples. [[User:Sknightt2|Sknightt2]] ([[User talk:Sknightt2|talk]]) 20:56, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Change from: "These claims, to date, cannot be reliably verified,[5] with Jake Swearingen of Modern Farmer noting in 2013 that YouTube, a popular source of videos of challenges and stunts, "fails to deliver one single actual cow-tipping video".[32]"


To:"These claims, to date, cannot be reliably verified,[5] with Jake Swearingen of Modern Farmer noting in 2013 that YouTube, a popular source of videos of challenges and stunts, "fails to deliver one single actual cow-tipping video".[32] While several YouTube videos show examples of people taking down cattle, these involve pulling on the neck or legs of the animals, like [[steer wrestling]], and not pushing the cattle over."
::::If you aren't trying to advertise, it's hard to tell, because you have twice stated an objective of "attract more viewers". Wikipedia doesn't need to attract more viewers, it's consistently [[List of most popular websites|in the top 10 world's most visited sites]]. And [https://www.google.com/search?q=cow+tipping Wikipedia is the top Google search result] for "cow tipping". Wikipedia attracts people wanting to add irrelevant links to increase their exposure. It's a constant battle to prevent and remove such linkspam. I'm not saying that was your purpose, but Wikipedia is never to be used as a publicity platform. Both of those links would be considered spam and quickly removed if they were added to the article.
::::I looked at both pages you suggested. They don't demonstrate (to me at least) that "cow tipping" is a figure of speech. Those sites are simply naming themselves after a well-known myth. In fact, those two pages don't even mention the phrase "cow tipping" anywhere except in the page title or URL. Rather than examples, we'd need a reliable source that discusses "cow tipping" as a figure of speech before we could mention it in the article. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 23:06, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::As far as its being used as a metaphor or figure of speech, this is touched on in the article. There are more examples, often from business: [http://www.allaboutagile.com/enterprise-tipping-and-the-rules-of-three/][http://www.customerontheedge.com/2006/11/cow_tipping.html][http://www.mrss.com/lab/sacred-cow-tipping-when-best-practices-arent-best/]. But I don't think the article would really be better by piling these on, and as Anachronist notes, linkspam/[[WP:REFSPAM|refspam]] are definitely a detriment. - [[User:Brianhe|Brianhe]] ([[User talk:Brianhe|talk]]) 23:22, 22 February 2017 (UTC)


[[User:Jax0987|Jax0987]] ([[User talk:Jax0987|talk]]) 13:09, 21 July 2023 (UTC)Jax0987 [[User:Jax0987|Jax0987]] ([[User talk:Jax0987|talk]]) 13:09, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
== Popular culture honorable mentions ==
:{{done}}, but using different words. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 23:01, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
::But why? Steer wrestling really has nothing to do with cow tipping. --[[User:ZimZalaBim|<span style="color:black">Zim</span><b style="color:darkgreen">Zala</b><span style="color:black">Bim</span>]] <sup style="color:black">[[User talk:ZimZalaBim|talk]]</sup> 02:58, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
:::Because these are examples of getting a cow to fall to the ground from a standing position. I agreed with the proposal that it's a worthwhile and encyclopedic distinction to make. The article already includes a lengthy description of "casting" as a means to topple a cow, so why not a brief mention steer wrestling? It's just one additional sentence. I don't have a strong view on this, so in the spirit of [[WP:BRD]] I'll leave it up to {{U|Jax0897}} to make a case for restoring the sentence removed by {{U|ZimZalaBim}}. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 14:34, 27 July 2023 (UTC)


== No Youtube cow tipping evidence ==
I don't know if this is enough for the main page, but I think the card "Friendly Bartender" in the game Hearthstone qualifies as a honorable mention. A cow/tauren bartender which emotes "Don't forget to tip your tauren." when summoned and "Bottoms up!" when attacking is hilarious. IMHO. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2001:470:71B1:A:FF:0:0:1|2001:470:71B1:A:FF:0:0:1]] ([[User talk:2001:470:71B1:A:FF:0:0:1#top|talk]]) 15:50, 6 May 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


If anyone was cow tipping it would be on youtube. It's not. With all those cameras out there, and people putting everything under the sun, and moon on youtube, there's no cow tipping. Best statistical proof in the world. [[Special:Contributions/2600:8807:5400:28F0:4B1:D602:D837:1F70|2600:8807:5400:28F0:4B1:D602:D837:1F70]] ([[User talk:2600:8807:5400:28F0:4B1:D602:D837:1F70|talk]]) 09:57, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
:sounds lovely! feel free to add it to the section. That also reminds me I should add mention to the [[Depths of Wikipedia]] account. - [[User:MountainKemono|MountainKemono]] ([[User talk:MountainKemono|talk]]) 13:35, 14 February 2023 (UTC)


== Animal husbandry edits ==
== Citation Needed request ==


First paragraph; fourth sentence
[[User:Kingofaces43|Kingofaces43]] Regarding edit about musterers being able to knock over cows with horses or by hand from their tail. I completely understand the revert as it is unsourced but I feel like it's important information to have somewhere. I've searched for a source to validate information but it is something that is a somewhat common practice for rural farmers, at least here in Australia. I want a bit of guidance on where the rules lie as I feel it's a non-trivial piece of information to not have. The entire article makes it seem like it's not possible to tip over a cow without external tools but it's just not the case, we've done it just recently with some cows in late November and it was a single person taking them down (2 Santa Gertrudis cows). I completely understand the need for sourcing for content but I doubt you'd ever find a source for this despite it being a reality; so where do we sit as a community where we want to share information about the practice. Looking forward to your advice, cheers.


"The concept of cow tipping apparently developed in the 1970s, though tales of animals that cannot rise if they fall has historical antecedents dating to the Roman Empire."{{Citation needed|date=January 2024}}
[[User:Mjohn425|Mjohn425]] ([[User talk:Mjohn425|talk]]) 00:20, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
[[Special:Contributions/2601:543:4200:DE0:4C94:9E86:A6D8:2E9D|2601:543:4200:DE0:4C94:9E86:A6D8:2E9D]] ([[User talk:2601:543:4200:DE0:4C94:9E86:A6D8:2E9D|talk]]) 22:50, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
:Please know that [[WP:OR]] is policy here. We can't add unsourced information. Another core policy is [[WP:DUE]]. When you say it's difficult to find a source, that means we generally won't include the information even if it exists. It's basically the sources that need to say it's important, not editors. [[User:Kingofaces43|Kingofaces43]] ([[User talk:Kingofaces43|talk]]) 00:43, 14 March 2020 (UTC)


== Difficulty ==
== Is Cow Tipping Really an Urban Legend? ==


The article makes the case that a single person tipping a cow is impossible. However, in pop culture it is often depicted as difficult. The most famous depiction of cow tipping is in Tommy Boy, where the title character fails to tip a cow. I can’t remember if he said that he was never successful, or had just succeeded once. Perhaps this is part of the myth. In fact, it sounds a lot like a prank in a similar vein to snipe hunting. Should this angle be added to the article? [[User:Tinynanorobots|Tinynanorobots]] ([[User talk:Tinynanorobots|talk]]) 13:26, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
In 2010 I was touring North Carolina parks. Somewhere in the mountainous region I stopped at a small-town inn for gas and dinner. They had a pleasant homely restaurant there and, being Saturday night, the place was full of locals. When I was done and stepped out to my car, a bunch of young adult boys approached me. They proposed I join them for "cow tipping," as they were bored and had nothing to do. As a foreigner with no experience in these parts I had no idea what cow tipping is, so they explained it to me. They were quite disappointed when I excused myself, and I gather the rules of the game require a minimum participants.

Anyway, I at least learned what cow tipping is. But in light of this experience, is it not too rush to state in a Wikipedia article that cow tipping is an urban legend? [[User:Dov elyada|Dov elyada]] ([[User talk:Dov elyada|talk]]) 13:07, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
:No. --[[User:Hob Gadling|Hob Gadling]] ([[User talk:Hob Gadling|talk]]) 18:09, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
::Alright, alright, I'll explain. Wikipedia is based on reliable sources and not on something some random person got told by other random people. They obviously wanted to fool you, and they were disappointed because they thought they had not succeeded. But they had, sort of. --[[User:Hob Gadling|Hob Gadling]] ([[User talk:Hob Gadling|talk]]) 18:15, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

== 'Missing' or 'offline' sources on wayback machine ==

Hey so I noticed in some of the archive pages that info was removed due to the source going offline.
web.archive.org has snapshots of some of these sources.

Example: in Archive 1, there's a mention of a Dead BC link at the bottom of the page (http://www.zoology.ubc.ca/~biol438/Reports/CowTip.PDF)
There is a snapshot of this pdf here, a month or 2 before the PDF was taken offline: https://web.archive.org/web/20050829105439/http://www.zoology.ubc.ca/~biol438/Reports/CowTip.PDF

I think we should fix/update some of the sources with this method.

[[Special:Contributions/108.36.220.94|108.36.220.94]] ([[User talk:108.36.220.94|talk]]) 02:34, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

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Change the caption of the second picture in the article to “ A healthy cow lying on its side is not immobilized; it can rise whenever it chooses.”.
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::I'm not sure this should have been done. The request was to change the gender of the word "cow" from "her" to "it" which is probably incorrect. However, the entire article refers to all [[cattle]] as cows, which is also incorrect. ☆ <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus">[[User:Bri|Bri]]</span> ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 15:21, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
:::I'm also not sure this should have been done. The animal in the photo is clearly female, regardless of whether or not the word ''cow'' is intended to be used colloquially to mean cattle in general. --[[User:DB1729|<span style="font-family:Times New Roman;color:#4B0082;">'''''DB'''''</span><span style="color:DeepSkyBlue"><small>'''''1729'''''</small></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:DB1729|<span style="color:#4B0082;">'''''talk'''''</span>]]</sup> 15:37, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} I'd generally agree since I'm a stickler about using the term cow correctly, but this is also a case where animal gender really isn't pertinent to the specific topic the picture is addressing. If I'm talking about a [[monarch butterfly]] for instance and how its wings unfurl in a picture, I would use "it" regardless of whether it was a picture of a male or female even though gender is very obvious there. If the focus was on a function specific to male or females, then the gendered term would be appropriate. There could be an argument that using gendered terms might confuse readers into thinking it may be something specific to that gender.
:::In short, I'm honestly just kind of in a whatever camp on this one. "It" does seem to work better though, so I wouldn't be super inclined to change it back. [[User:KoA|KoA]] ([[User talk:KoA|talk]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
::::Good point. Although it could be gender pertinent in a way if one assumes anyone attempting such a silly feat would at least have enough sense to try it on a cow, rather than an ornery bull:) --[[User:DB1729|<span style="font-family:Times New Roman;color:#4B0082;">'''''DB'''''</span><span style="color:DeepSkyBlue"><small>'''''1729'''''</small></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:DB1729|<span style="color:#4B0082;">'''''talk'''''</span>]]</sup> 19:55, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

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[[User:Jax0987|Jax0987]] ([[User talk:Jax0987|talk]]) 20:08, 20 July 2023 (UTC)Jax0987 [[User:Jax0987|Jax0987]] ([[User talk:Jax0987|talk]]) 20:08, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 16:24, 17 July 2024

Good articleCow tipping has been listed as one of the Agriculture, food and drink good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
June 6, 2007Articles for deletionKept
May 22, 2016Good article nomineeListed
Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on June 3, 2016.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that according to scientists, cow tipping would require between 4 and 14 coordinated people, unlike the depiction of the urban legend in film and television?
Current status: Good article

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Change from: "Cow tipping is the purported activity of sneaking up on any unsuspecting or sleeping upright cow and pushing it over for entertainment. The practice of cow tipping is generally considered an urban legend,[1] and stories of such feats viewed as tall tales.[2]"

To: "Cow tipping is the purported activity of sneaking up on any unsuspecting or sleeping upright cow and pushing it over for entertainment. Cow tipping refers to pushing over cows only and does not include pulling methods such as grabbing cows by the neck or legs as is done in steer wrestling, or methods which use ropes to push over cows such as cow casting.[1] The practice of cow tipping is generally considered an urban legend,[1] and stories of such feats viewed as tall tales.[2]"

Jax0987 (talk) 20:08, 20 July 2023 (UTC)Jax0987 Jax0987 (talk) 20:08, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done. The purpose of the lead section is to summarize the body text. Steer wrestling isn't mentioned in the body text, and casting is already covered in the next paragraph of the lead. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:45, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Change from: "These claims, to date, cannot be reliably verified,[5] with Jake Swearingen of Modern Farmer noting in 2013 that YouTube, a popular source of videos of challenges and stunts, "fails to deliver one single actual cow-tipping video".[32]"

To:"These claims, to date, cannot be reliably verified,[5] with Jake Swearingen of Modern Farmer noting in 2013 that YouTube, a popular source of videos of challenges and stunts, "fails to deliver one single actual cow-tipping video".[32] While several YouTube videos show examples of people taking down cattle, these involve pulling on the neck or legs of the animals, like steer wrestling, and not pushing the cattle over."

Jax0987 (talk) 13:09, 21 July 2023 (UTC)Jax0987 Jax0987 (talk) 13:09, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done, but using different words. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:01, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
But why? Steer wrestling really has nothing to do with cow tipping. --ZimZalaBim talk 02:58, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Because these are examples of getting a cow to fall to the ground from a standing position. I agreed with the proposal that it's a worthwhile and encyclopedic distinction to make. The article already includes a lengthy description of "casting" as a means to topple a cow, so why not a brief mention steer wrestling? It's just one additional sentence. I don't have a strong view on this, so in the spirit of WP:BRD I'll leave it up to Jax0897 to make a case for restoring the sentence removed by ZimZalaBim. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:34, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No Youtube cow tipping evidence

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If anyone was cow tipping it would be on youtube. It's not. With all those cameras out there, and people putting everything under the sun, and moon on youtube, there's no cow tipping. Best statistical proof in the world. 2600:8807:5400:28F0:4B1:D602:D837:1F70 (talk) 09:57, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Citation Needed request

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"The concept of cow tipping apparently developed in the 1970s, though tales of animals that cannot rise if they fall has historical antecedents dating to the Roman Empire."[citation needed] 2601:543:4200:DE0:4C94:9E86:A6D8:2E9D (talk) 22:50, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Difficulty

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The article makes the case that a single person tipping a cow is impossible. However, in pop culture it is often depicted as difficult. The most famous depiction of cow tipping is in Tommy Boy, where the title character fails to tip a cow. I can’t remember if he said that he was never successful, or had just succeeded once. Perhaps this is part of the myth. In fact, it sounds a lot like a prank in a similar vein to snipe hunting. Should this angle be added to the article? Tinynanorobots (talk) 13:26, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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