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== Testing after vaccination ==
3rd wave of Corona virus advantage and disadvantage [[Special:Contributions/106.200.166.173|106.200.166.173]] ([[User talk:106.200.166.173|talk]]) 16:16, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
It's my understanding that the Covid-19 vaccine works by producing antibodies and that (some?) covid tests test for the presence of antibodies. If this is the case, it would seem logical that someone who has been vaccinated should not take the covid-detection tests that test for antibodies because such tests will always yield positive results. If my rationale is correct, then this point should be included in the article, shouldn't it? [[User:Mercy11|Mercy11]] ([[User talk:Mercy11|talk]]) 00:31, 29 January 2022 (UTC)


== Distortion of comments from Dr. Anthony Fauci ==
== "Methods" / "Available tests" ==


Currently the article includes the following sentence:
Section 1 on "Methods" and section 4 on "Available tests" partially overlap. I suggest that the general theoretical parts of section 4 should be merged into section 1. And details of specific tests could be moved from section 1 to section 4, or they could be discarded if they no longer seem to be notable. [[User:JonH|JonH]] ([[User talk:JonH|talk]]) 17:29, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
:Some subsections ("Serology (CoLab score) tests", "Breath tests", "Animals") moved from "Available tests" to "Methods"/"Other" because the methods were not described there. Further tidying is possible. [[User:JonH|JonH]] ([[User talk:JonH|talk]]) 01:36, 1 December 2021 (UTC)


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This is a dangerous misinterpretation of what Fauci actually said. As one can verify by going back to the source, his actual words were (taken from YouTube automated transcript, condensed and punctuated for clarity):
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| text = what is now sort of, uh, evolving into a bit of a standard, that if you get a cycle threshold of 35 or more that the chances of it being replication competent are minuscule … somebody comes in and they repeat their PCR and it's like 37 cycle threshold but … you almost never can culture virus from a 37 threshold cycle, so I think if somebody does come in with 37, 38, even 36, you got to say, you know, it's just, it's just dead nucleotides, period.
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Fauci is clearly talking about ''results'' you might get when you perform the PCR test. A cycle threshold is a PCR result. If you get a cycle threshold of 38 (it doesn’t finish until the 38th cycle) that’s a very weak positive result.
Widespread is mistyped somewhere. Please fix. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:A459:8FB6:1:D85A:35D4:6A73:41B4|2A02:A459:8FB6:1:D85A:35D4:6A73:41B4]] ([[User talk:2A02:A459:8FB6:1:D85A:35D4:6A73:41B4|talk]]) 14:24, 28 November 2021 (UTC)


The sentence currently in the article, however, incorrectly implies that some ''method'' of performing the PCR test sets it up for failure. There’s actually no such thing as “running PCR at N cycles”, but the current phrasing falsely suggests there is, and furthermore that it’s a method prone to generating false positives (as opposed to knowing ''when'' you get results which are only weakly positive, those are the ones likeliest to be false positives.)
:The typo is "widepsread". [[Special:Contributions/192.180.91.15|192.180.91.15]] ([[User talk:192.180.91.15|talk]]) 23:57, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
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This is dangerous misinformation, as it feeds into conspiracy narratives about “elites” instituting testing that they know is faulty for nefarious purposes. Again, Fauci says nothing in the cited source which reflects on the testing ''method''; he is clearly saying that certain ''results'' that may be obtained indicate probable false positives - and note what he says about it “evolving” (present tense) into a standard. There’s nothing to support the idea that it could have been known beforehand “don’t bother continuing if you don’t have a result in 35 cycles because then it will be dead nucleotides.”
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:When is this going to be corrected? Fauci was talking about cycle threshold, not cycles so the text as it is now is wrong.
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:Also missing the fact Fauci was talking about retesting someone who already tested positive earier and he doesn't say his remark was about Ct>35 in general. [[User:Noef101|Noef101]] ([[User talk:Noef101|talk]]) 22:40, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
In this sentence


== Swabbing throat as well as nose for rapid tests? ==
''Because SARS-CoV-2 transmission occurs days after exposure (and before onset of symptoms) there is an urgent need for frequent surveillance and rapid availability of results.''


There was a meme about using the swab on your throat before running it through both sides of your nose when collecting a sample for testing. This supposedly improved the false negative rate for Omicron infections.<ref>{{cite web |url=https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20220111/nose-throat-covid-test |date=2022-01-11 |title=Swab Nose, Throat, or Both for COVID-19 Rapid Tests? |first=Damian |last=McNamara |work=WebMD |access-date=2022-06-12}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |url=https://bc.ctvnews.ca/should-you-swab-your-throat-while-taking-a-covid-19-rapid-test-answers-vary-by-jurisdiction-1.5849210 |title=Should you swab your throat while taking a COVID-19 rapid test? Answers vary by jurisdiction |first=Andrew |last=Weichel |date=2022-03-20 |work=Canadian Broadcasting Corporation |access-date=2022-06-12}}</ref> Here's an official recommended method from Ontario Health, which is still the current recommendation.<ref>{{cite web |url=https://www.ontariohealth.ca/sites/ontariohealth/files/2022-05/RAT-Oral-nasal-collection-instructions-English.pdf |title=Oral/Nasal Collection Instructions for RAT -- COVID-19 |date=2022-02-09 |publisher=Ontario Health |access-date=2022-06-12}}</ref> However, there was little or weak evidence for this, and as far as I know, nobody ever actually confirmed whether this improves test accuracy or not. Does somebody know more, and can they add it to the article? -- [[User:Gnuish|Gnuish]] ([[User talk:Gnuish|talk]]) 18:30, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
please add a comma after the parenthetical phrase. It's not ungrammatical, but it's a long enough sentence that a comma helps to break it up. [[Special:Contributions/192.180.91.15|192.180.91.15]] ([[User talk:192.180.91.15|talk]]) 23:56, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
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== Other tests ==


==Wiki Education assignment: Technical and Scientific Communication==
Someone should add information about Tollotest, which measures viral protease activity and does not fall in any of the categories in this article (rather it's a protease assay, a kind of functional assay).
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I added some more information about imaging testing for COVID-19 for my wikiedu assignment. Something I think that can be added would be a "other" option for the covid testing in the contents box. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Cailinharris|Cailinharris]] ([[User talk:Cailinharris#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cailinharris|contribs]]) 14:26, 3 October 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
== Which of the "Available tests" is the PCR test? ==
It should be mentioned which of the available tests is the so-called "PCR test". The term "PCR test" is the most common, but it isn't mentioned in that list which I find confusing. Apparantly, it is the first test method described here, but I am not sure.--[[User:Einar Moses Wohltun|Einar Moses Wohltun]] ([[User talk:Einar Moses Wohltun|talk]]) 08:57, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

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Testing after vaccination

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It's my understanding that the Covid-19 vaccine works by producing antibodies and that (some?) covid tests test for the presence of antibodies. If this is the case, it would seem logical that someone who has been vaccinated should not take the covid-detection tests that test for antibodies because such tests will always yield positive results. If my rationale is correct, then this point should be included in the article, shouldn't it? Mercy11 (talk) 00:31, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Distortion of comments from Dr. Anthony Fauci

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Currently the article includes the following sentence:

On July 16, 2020, Dr. Anthony Fauci of the US CDC indicated that positive results obtained from RT-PCR tests run at more than 35 cycles were almost always "just dead nucleotides".

This is a dangerous misinterpretation of what Fauci actually said. As one can verify by going back to the source, his actual words were (taken from YouTube automated transcript, condensed and punctuated for clarity):

what is now sort of, uh, evolving into a bit of a standard, that if you get a cycle threshold of 35 or more that the chances of it being replication competent are minuscule … somebody comes in and they repeat their PCR and it's like 37 cycle threshold but … you almost never can culture virus from a 37 threshold cycle, so I think if somebody does come in with 37, 38, even 36, you got to say, you know, it's just, it's just dead nucleotides, period.

Fauci is clearly talking about results you might get when you perform the PCR test. A cycle threshold is a PCR result. If you get a cycle threshold of 38 (it doesn’t finish until the 38th cycle) that’s a very weak positive result.

The sentence currently in the article, however, incorrectly implies that some method of performing the PCR test sets it up for failure. There’s actually no such thing as “running PCR at N cycles”, but the current phrasing falsely suggests there is, and furthermore that it’s a method prone to generating false positives (as opposed to knowing when you get results which are only weakly positive, those are the ones likeliest to be false positives.)

This is dangerous misinformation, as it feeds into conspiracy narratives about “elites” instituting testing that they know is faulty for nefarious purposes. Again, Fauci says nothing in the cited source which reflects on the testing method; he is clearly saying that certain results that may be obtained indicate probable false positives - and note what he says about it “evolving” (present tense) into a standard. There’s nothing to support the idea that it could have been known beforehand “don’t bother continuing if you don’t have a result in 35 cycles because then it will be dead nucleotides.” - 209.6.11.210 (talk) 04:42, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

When is this going to be corrected? Fauci was talking about cycle threshold, not cycles so the text as it is now is wrong.
Also missing the fact Fauci was talking about retesting someone who already tested positive earier and he doesn't say his remark was about Ct>35 in general. Noef101 (talk) 22:40, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Swabbing throat as well as nose for rapid tests?

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There was a meme about using the swab on your throat before running it through both sides of your nose when collecting a sample for testing. This supposedly improved the false negative rate for Omicron infections.[1][2] Here's an official recommended method from Ontario Health, which is still the current recommendation.[3] However, there was little or weak evidence for this, and as far as I know, nobody ever actually confirmed whether this improves test accuracy or not. Does somebody know more, and can they add it to the article? -- Gnuish (talk) 18:30, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ McNamara, Damian (2022-01-11). "Swab Nose, Throat, or Both for COVID-19 Rapid Tests?". WebMD. Retrieved 2022-06-12.
  2. ^ Weichel, Andrew (2022-03-20). "Should you swab your throat while taking a COVID-19 rapid test? Answers vary by jurisdiction". Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. Retrieved 2022-06-12.
  3. ^ "Oral/Nasal Collection Instructions for RAT -- COVID-19" (PDF). Ontario Health. 2022-02-09. Retrieved 2022-06-12.

Wiki Education assignment: Technical and Scientific Communication

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 22 August 2022 and 9 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Cailinharris (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Cailinharris (talk) 14:34, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I added some more information about imaging testing for COVID-19 for my wikiedu assignment. Something I think that can be added would be a "other" option for the covid testing in the contents box. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cailinharris (talkcontribs) 14:26, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]