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List of victims

My question is should the name of the perpetrator be included in the list of the children and teacher he murdered? Personally I think it is totally inappropriate and an insult to the victims and their families.

Does the presence of this list breach WP:NOTMEMORIAL? Britmax (talk) 12:00, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

We should have the names of the victims, they deserve to be remembered. "Lest we forget" springs to mind — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7f:8e7a:800:702e:1f26:ccd4:df62 (talk • contribs) 00:24, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

I am not asking whether or not they deserve to be remembered. I am asking whether they should be listed here. Britmax (talk) 12:12, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

NOTMEMORIAL concerns writing articles as memorials to non-notable people. That is not the case here. This is a sourced list of victims included in an article about a notable event. I personally don't like to see such lists and I wouldn't add one myself, but this issue has been discussed previously on this talk page (see the archive) and the list has been in the article for years so there seems to be consensus to include. If you think it should be removed then make your case, but I don't think NOTMEMORIAL is applicable. Meters (talk) 06:21, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Merge with 'Snowdrop campaign'?

I suggest Snowdrop Campaign mege with this article. Pincrete (talk) 20:08, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

There should 100% be a link to the snowdrop campaign. Both are related and it's relevant information to what happened. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7f:8e7a:800:702e:1f26:ccd4:df62 (talk • contribs) 00:24, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

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Andy Murray

I've removed an unsourced mention of Andy Murray form the lead. It seems WP:UNDUE to mention him just because he happened to be there and is now notable. The incident is mentioned in his article, so we could easily find a source to verify that he was there, but I don't think it belongs in this article at all, let alone the lead.

I'm bringing this to the talk page because this material keeps getting restored to the article, and previous discussions on this are now archived. Talk:Dunblane massacre/Archive 1#Andrew Murray, See Talk:Dunblane massacre/Archive 1#Andy Murray - Redux, Talk:Dunblane massacre/Archive 1#Andy Murray Ver 3.0. Those discussions were largely looking at whether he was actually present and whether the description of his actions during the event were accurate, but user:Nick Cooper and user:thefunkygibson argued against including any mention of Murray, and multiple editors have removed mention of Murray from the article in the last 10 years. Meters (talk) 21:19, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

I agree wholeheartedly that it does not belong in the lead, a brief mention in the body would be the very most that is apt. Murray's own page includes comments from him which basically boil down to "I was too young to understand what was happening". Perhaps we could insert a note in the lead to NOT add? Pincrete (talk) 23:13, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

I would maintain there is little utility to mentioning Murray at all, let alone in the lead. This is an event where the over-arching notability is the event itself, and the wide-ranging consequences of it. That someone who has subsequently become world famous happened to be in the same building at the time has no bearing on any of that. We can contrast this with other events where notable people happened to be incidentally involved, and we don't elaborate much beyond that (e.g. those killed in the 2002 Potters Bar rail crash). Nick Cooper (talk) 09:40, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Hamilton biography

Why is there so little in this article about the early life of Thomas Hamilton? Other mass killers have much longer biographies on Wikipedia, see Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold for example. --Viennese Waltz 09:05, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Why deletion?

What file (?) is proposed for deletion (according to the note below the portrait), and why? Hugo999 (talk) 01:26, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

It's at WP:FFD now. It's File:Thamilton.jpeg, and the question is, "Does it meet WP:NFCC?" John from Idegon (talk) 19:04, 15 March 2020 (UTC)