User talk:Waleswatcher

June 2018

Hello, I'm Dicklyon. I noticed that you recently removed content from Theory of tides without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Dicklyon (talk) 22:05, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Your talk page was blank, so I didn't realize that you're "a regular". Nonetheless, an explanation of the problem on the talk page would be appreciated. Thanks. Dicklyon (talk) 22:09, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Dicklyon, among other problems with that reference is this statement: "To move the tidal wave around the earth within one day would require the movement of enormous amounts of water with the speed of modern aircraft and is physically simply not possible. This was recognized by Laplace in 1775 when he developed the dynamic theory of tides." That is badly wrong for several reasons. First, tidal waves do not move enormous quantities of water. It's the wave that moves, not a large mass of water - the water just moves up and down, rather slowly because the wavelength is long. Second, it is not at all impossible. In fact, Laplace's theory agrees with Newton that without continents there would in fact be tidal waves that circle the earth roughly once/day. Waleswatcher (talk) 02:34, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I agree that's quite wrong. Dicklyon (talk) 02:54, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Please make sure your edit summaries are accurate

This edit summary is incorrect [[1]] You were involved in the discussion so to claim it was "unexplained" is very questionable. Springee (talk) 18:20, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

It was unexplained because you didn't explain the justification for it. Waleswatcher (talk) 23:17, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

It was explained and justified. I'm sorry you are unable to understand WP:RS. Springee (talk) 23:30, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

WW why edit war? If you truly do not understand WP:RS policy take it to the noticeboard. -72bikers (talk) 23:49, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

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Unneeded warnings

Waleswatcher, per Slatersteven's request I'm going to reply to these comments [[2]] here. 72bikers has asked you to not post on their talk page. The only exception to such a request are required notices such as those required when you file an ANI against an editor. Warning such as the one you made about an incorrectly marked "minor" edit are not required and thus violate your talk page prohibition. Springee (talk) 00:15, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Springee, that's incorrect - those are not the only "exceptions". (Also, why is this your concern at all?) Waleswatcher (talk) 06:32, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

No he is not incorrect, you are misinformed. Policy does support this request that a admin suggested. Warning such as the one you made about an incorrectly marked "minor" edit are not required and thus violate your talk page prohibition. I will once again ask politely do not post on my talk page. You have not shown the ability to discern what a legitimate reason would be, is the reason for said request. -72bikers (talk) 12:34, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

72bikers, here's a quote from the ANI on your talk page issues: "If you have a legitimate warning about 72bikers's conduct, you may post a warning once." That's precisely what I did, and that's what I will continue to do. Waleswatcher (talk) 21:58, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Bbb23, as the admin who closed the ANI mentioned in this discussion, would you please weight in on the question of the legitimacy of the warning in question? Springee (talk) 02:53, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Can we have a link to the report where this was decided?Slatersteven (talk) 13:17, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

The only report I'm aware of is Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive983#72bikers_talk_page_issues this discussion at ANI, which allows "banned" editors to post one warning per incident. We are seeing a worrying trend of editors labeling warnings as "unneeded", "illegitimate" and "harassment" as a way to deflect warnings. –dlthewave ☎ 17:49, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

That was my impression, so I assumed there was another.Slatersteven (talk) 17:56, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

• Why don't you all leave 72biker alone for a while? The impression I get, looking from the sideline, is that of a number of editors banding together to harass an "opponent", in order to get them to leave or out of frustration respond in a way that gets them blocked. That's not how we are supposed to do things here... - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 17:59, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

I would have no problem leaving him alone if he was not so keen to issue warnings (in fact it was his demand I revert or get banned that let to this latest flare up) himself in the wrong places. What we are supposed to do, let him do as he likes, make whatever edits he likes (including breaches of talk page guidelines, when he is so keen to enforce ones that do not exist)?Slatersteven (talk) 18:05, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Well someone sure has a bee in there bonnet. My skin is too thick to be bothered by baseless warnings that neither carry any weight or legitimacy. Thomas.W hit the nail on the head of what is clear to all watching. They are clearly a effort to poke the bear. Besides a admin telling all this is what they advised, two policies have also been shown. You can lead a horse to water but …. There behavior shows a lack of character, civility and does nothing to enhance a environment conducive to improving articles. -72bikers (talk) 16:47, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

If you mean I do not like warnings being issued on article talk pages that amount to "give me what I want or I will report you". Yes I do have a bee in my bonnet (It is against the rules, and you need to understand that, article talk pages are for discussion of the article, not other users). I did not attempt to poke you at any point. You made what I viewed as an unacceptable edit and reverted (and even one of your supporters admits my interpretation of it may not have been that unreasonable), it was you who decided to throw around threats of admin intervention. Now if you wanted to be left alone you could have

Said OK lets discus why you think my edit is wrong, I will not insist you revert.

Posted the warning in the right place.

Not doing what you are still doing, saying "I am right and you are wrong". At no point have you shown that you understand that your interpretation of at least some of our polices are way of the mark (or come to that admin actions, as it is clear the ANI said "cannot post warnings more then once", not "cannot post warnings"). If you carry on with a battleground, wikilaywering (well its not "Technical" the body") mentality over controversial and contentious topic areas you are not only not going top be left alone, you will find yourself increasingly fighting this kind of fight.Slatersteven (talk) 09:11, 10 July 2018 (UTC)