Talk:Greece

Gap 1949 to 1965/7

There appears to be a gap in the history and I wonder if someone who knows the period could fill it. Thank you.

Wikipedia is NOT the Constitution of Greece

As religion entries, we note all the religions, because Wikipedia is NOT the Constitution of Greece. For the religion explicitly recognized in the Greek we write (official) as we do with other countries. Greece is not superior than other countries to enforce Nazism on Wikipedia because of some Greek users. We add all the information; majority, minority. Nazis love to lie. If Wikipedia is the Greek Constitution someone has to elaborate on it; otherwise we respect the rules of Wikipedia and not the rules of the Constitution of Greece. Even the Constitution of Greece respects other religions (but mostly avoids to be specific). The Greek Constitution doesn't mention that is should be used as an encyclopedic template; thus even according to strict right policy, religious racism isn't constitutional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:587:4100:f800:f438:e7dc:abb6:ba1 (talk • contribs) 05:10, April 3, 2019 (UTC) |

"Greece is not superior than other countries to enforce Nazism on Wikipedia ". This doesn't sound so good. Do the superior ones enforce Nazism on others? I think that what you said, that minority religions should also be written, is ok, but you said it in a very weird and offending way. Yes, there is an official religion in Greece, like there is an official language, but that doesn't mean that the practice of others is not allowed. And there is a reason for that, mainly the fact that in the Balkans, ethnicity was the same thing with religion until the mid 19th century. Proof of this are facts like the Patriarch of Constantinople being called "National leader of the Christians of the Ottoman empire" and even in the first constitution of Greece, the second article was "All people, Christians and Turks (!!!) are the same in the eyes of the law". So yeah, the official and majority religion should be specified, and under that the minority ones like Catholics and Muslims. Just don't blame everything on Nazism, because you make it sound like something unimportant. LightningLighting (talk) 19:19, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Update economy figures

I have noticed the GDP figures are outdated based on the latest IMF data released on the same source cited within the article (namely https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WEO/weo-database/2020/October/weo-report?c=174,&s=NGDPD,PPPGDP,NGDPDPC,PPPPC,&sy=2018&ey=2025&ssm=0&scsm=1&scc=0&ssd=1&ssc=0&sic=0&sort=country&ds=.&br=1) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.168.142.30 (talk) 12:32, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

GDP figures

The GDP estimates are for 2020 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.74.8.106 (talk) 14:24, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 December 2020

Hellenic Republic Ελληνική Δημοκρατία (Greek) Ellinikí Dimokratía
Location of Greece (dark green) – in Europe (light green & dark grey) – in the European Union (light green)
ISO 3166 code	GR

1. consisten transliterations
141.237.208.164 (talk) 07:17, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Paul ❬talk❭ 10:02, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

2. adding a globe projection of the map 141.237.208.164 (talk) 07:17, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

 Done --Paul ❬talk❭ 10:02, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 December 2020 (2)

the current population of greece is 10,423,054. JanKon2010 (talk) 16:42, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Terasail^[✉] 19:47, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 December 2020

Infobox: | native_name = {{unbulleted list|{{native name|el|Ελληνική Δημοκρατία|italics=off}}|{{small|{{transl|el|Ellinikí Dimokratía}}}}}} | national_motto = {{lang|el|Ελευθερία ή Θάνατος}}<br />{{transl|el|Elefthería í Thánatos}}<br />("[[Eleftheria i Thanatos|Freedom or Death]]") | national_anthem = {{lang|el|Ύμνος εις την Ελευθερίαν}}<br />{{transl|el|Ímnos is tin Eleftherían}}<br />("[[Hymn to Liberty]]")<div style="display:inline-block;margin-top:0.4em;">{{center|[[File:Greece national anthem.ogg]]}}</div>

Transliteration of Greek to English needs to be consistent. I added an acute accent where needed and fixed words which had vowels that are not pronounced (for instance, eis (εις) -> is etc). --2A02:587:D869:D699:9847:A901:4FCC:9E74 (talk) 12:47, 13 December 2020 (UTC) 2A02:587:D869:D699:9847:A901:4FCC:9E74 (talk) 12:47, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. h 05:18, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

City states organization

Petition to write "The ancient Greeks were *mainly* organized in city-states". There were also non-city Greeks states, like the Macedonians kingdom or the Epirot kingdoms. LightningLighting (talk) 19:08, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Categorization of Greece

Hello, this is both an invitation for you two to discuss and a notice re edit warring; I would hate to see this turn into something disruptive. @Ανδρέας Κρυστάλλης and Danloud:. The status quo is that Greece is described as being in Southeast Europe. Are there reliable sources to refute this? ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia ^talk 17:11, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

I'd certainly say that the "politically considered as part of Western Europe" bit has no business being in the very first sentence. That's an extreme form of WP:Lead fixation. The first sentence is meant to provide a simple, factual description of where this country is, and there can't be any doubt it's about as "Southeast" within Europe as can be. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:15, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

‡ Єl Cid of Valencia, I appreciate your intervention. Greece is described as Western or Southern, never Southeast, in all international organizations. The "politically being part of Western Europe" has to do with the Cold War, EEC, NATO etc. and dates already from the 1940s. There are literally hundreds of sources on this.

And I wonder, why can Germany be called Northern, Central of Western European, but Greece can't likewise be described accurately? Furthermore, I have never seen Portugal being described as part of Southwestern Europe, only Western or Southern. Why not act likewise in this particular case? Here are some sources backing my edit:

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Ανδρέας Κρυστάλλης (talk) 17:39, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

‡ Єl Cid of Valencia Fut.Perf. Ανδρέας Κρυστάλλης Greece, geographically, is the southeasternmost state of Europe geographically; it being considered "Western Europe" is a huge stretch. Greece was and still is always considered Southern or Southeastern Europe.

The third source he provided also shows Latvia, Poland, and Hungary as "Western Europe", and Post-Soviet Central Asia as "Eastern Europe". How much sense does that make, and is this a reliable source? Danloud (talk) 18:29, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Well, it is a reliable source for those post-WWII political groupings, sure. It's just that those political groupings are irrelevant to the lead sentence, which is about geography and nothing else. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:40, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Danloud Again, I invite you to look up the cases of Germany, Italy and Portugal, with their varying geographical descriptions. We shouldn't have double standards. The United Nations is as mainstream a source as anyone can get. And Greece is an idiosyncratic case, especially considering its maritime geography, from the Ionian to the Eastern Mediterranean. Ανδρέας Κρυστάλλης (talk) 10:37, 26 January 2021 (UTC)