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Remove Earlier References

I have used a sample page of another personality for the template. After completing the editing I am unable to remove the references inserted by the earlier content user. Kindly Help! Nithinragavs (talk) 06:53, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Nithinragavs. I do not see why you are having a technical issue. I think that the far more important question is why you think that a person described as the "Honorary Consul General of The Republic of Palau to India" deserves a Wikipedia biography. That is by no means a strong claim to notability. Please explain why you think this person is notable, and what is your relationship with this person? Cullen328 (talk) 07:56, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Cullen328 for the note. Firstly, I have resolved the issue by myself. Secondly any person who is working towards a good cause needs some kind of biography which can be looked into at a later date. The position he holds is not a permanent one but his works needs to be told through the page and that is what I am trying to do. I have met this person often at events where he mentors entrepreneurs especially women. He runs an NGO for underprivileged kids. So few reasons to create this page. Nithinragavs (talk) 09:53, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

@Nithinragavs "any person who is working towards a good cause needs some kind of biography which can be looked into at a later date". Even if that is true, Wikipedia is not the place to write a biography on anyone who is working on a good cause, unless they are notable (click here). David10244 (talk) 04:21, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

@Nithinragavs Encyclopedia articles are written in a dry, dispassionate tone. Remove phrases like "As a true visionary leader, he is looked upon by many as a guide and philiospher whose presence vibrates positivity, fondly known as "Guru"". David10244 (talk) 05:28, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

@Nithinragavs, welcome to the Teahouse. Assuming this is about Draft:Dr Neeraj A Sharma. Did you notice that recerences actually are placed in the article text, not the reference section? Also, see WP:TUTORIAL on how to add references correctly, as of now you have several WP:EL:s in the text and that is not good enough. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:12, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

After first use of full name, all subsequent use of name should be surname (familial name) only, shich I guess is Sharma. David notMD (talk) 09:25, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Thank you for the suggestions. Usually in India second name is not used much to identify a person. These surnames are very common and you will find about many Mr Sharmas' within a same region, hence the first name. I am referring the tutorial for the references section. Thanks again. Nithinragavs (talk) 09:57, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

@Nithinragavs That may well be true in India, but Wikipedia's Manual of Style says to use surnames after the first mention. It's not likely that within one article the reader would get confused on who is being referred to. David10244 (talk) 04:08, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

@David10244@Nithinragavs Just noting that there are exceptions here, per MOS:GIVENNAME. Sometimes you have to check the WP:RS and see how they do it. And of course, when for example parents and children are in the same paragraph/text, one has to be specific. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:47, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Sexualised content

Why does sexualised content get a platform here, yet so many worthy articles get rejected? What sort of precedence are you setting for our future selves? Do you understand the danger involved in the normalisation of degrading sexual content online? Get rid of it all NOW 2A00:23C6:B582:8501:A1DB:1DF6:6E49:BABC (talk) 11:27, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. Wikipedia is not censored for any reason, as this is a project to write an encyclopedia of human knowledge. If certain content offends you, you shouldn't look at it. 331dot (talk) 11:29, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Additionally, if you had named the article in question we could have checked it for vandalism. (Edit: I'm assuming Belle Delphine is the article in question.)- X201 (talk) 11:50, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Personal attacks, like calling me scum, are not permitted. I can't speak to specific content that I am not aware of, you made a general statement. 331dot (talk) 11:53, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Starting an Articles for deletion is a valid path to have an article deleted. Calling for an article to be deleted on the Talk page of the article accomplishes nothing. David notMD (talk) 14:16, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

If you don't like what you see, don't visit the article. If you are curious about something though, you can visit another website if you wish not to see anything distrubing or learn how to hide certain images. Anything on Wikipedia is fair game and legal. Cwater1 (talk) 20:24, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Wait, if you didn't like what the person had to say, why did you read it? Herostratus (talk) 01:20, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Deleting does not do any good. It will likely be reverted back. The is the door if you do not want to see something in the article. Cwater1 (talk) 17:52, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Why you little scallywag. Who authorized you to make people feel unwelcome. And this is a teahouse not a dive bar. Behave yourself. Herostratus (talk) 07:04, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Nail Cicada

Draft:Nail_Cicada is a good redirect. OptimizeAllTheThings (talk) 14:57, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

@OptimizeAllTheThingsHello, welcome to the teahouse, how can I help you? Lemonaka (talk) 15:18, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

@OptimizeAllTheThings Welcome to the Teahouse! What makes this a good redirect? I don't see "Cicada" mentioned on the Neil Cicierega article. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 15:18, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

@OptimizeAllTheThings For creating a redirect, you may follow Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/Redirects_and_categories, but this is a poor direct, so I will discourage you from creating it. Lemonaka (talk) 15:20, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

It's easy to make that mistake:

Neil Cicierega

Nail Cicada OptimizeAllTheThings (talk) 09:39, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

You need to change three letters and remove three others to change from the "Neil Cicierega" to "Nail Cicada". If we wanted to create every redirect that is at most six letter change from the target, we would need more than 300 000 000 redirects for every page. For comparison, the number of articles in English Wikipedia is about 50 times less than that number.

The guideline to create redirects from misspellings is at WP:RTYPO. It says among other things if a single redirect contains multiple typos, it may be considered an unlikely search term and deleted. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 10:35, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Neil Sedaka? David10244 (talk) 08:04, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Draft submission?

Hello, I have come across a draft that looks read to be published. How do I submit the draft now? I don't find any submission template on the page. Here Draft:First Y. S. Rajasekhara Reddy ministry 456legend(talk) 02:54, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

To me, 456legend, it doesn't look anywhere near ready to be published. All we learn is who was in it. What was/is this ministry noted for? What did it achieve? What did it fail to achieve? What (if anything) did it just timidly ignore? But I do read in it that it was the immediate successor to the second N. Chandrababu Naidu ministry, whose article burbles on at considerable length about who was who in that ministry, but keeps shtum about what, if anything, the ministry did. -- Hoary (talk) 04:58, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

However, 456legend, I should answer your question. Just add {{subst:AfC draft|456legend}} to the top of the draft. This will provide you with a submit option. When you take this option is for you to decide. -- Hoary (talk) 05:05, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Hoary Okay, I got it. I will consider these points and only submit it after that. But yes I wanted to know how am I supposed to add a submission template. Thanks for that along with the suggestion.456legend(talk) 05:43, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Hoary Hi, I have another doubt can you please clarify it? The doubt is, Am I supposed to insert the name of the person who created the draft page or is it fine to put my name in the submission template as saod by you in the earlier answer/reply. Just checking bc I haven't created the page but only contributed.456legend(talk) 03:15, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

456legend, sorry for not having responded earlier, but I've been away from my computer for a couple of days. I think it would have been OK not to put any name in the template, whereupon the name would have defaulted to yours. But I see that what was a draft is now an article, so congratulations on that. (Though I do still wonder what these successive ministries actually do.) -- Hoary (talk) 04:15, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Hoary Oh I see, I will ensure not to put any username from the next. And yes I am trying to fetch sources of the important works of the ministries done during the tenure and working on the creation of chief ministership articles. 456legend(talk) 06:23, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

User/talk page blanking

One thing I see a bit too much of is people blanking their own pages (or at least mass-deleting things) to "hide" warnings or "keep those idiots out of my turf". From what I know, that's something the rules say "isn't exactly sigma male behavior", but exactly how bad of an idea is it?

I ask this because I know of a few examples (which I won't drop) of known vandals having warning-ridden talk pages, and then blanking them once an admin hears about an instance. The cases I've seen have almost always ended with them blocked for unrelated reasons, though, which is kind of funny. cogsan (talk) 17:58, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

@Cog-san: Hello Cogsan! This is allowed per WP:NOTWALLOFSHAME as the warnings are still viewable in the revision history of the talk page. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:02, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Anyone can blank their talk page per WP:NOTWALLOFSHAME, but failure to listen may be a WP:IDHT. Tails Wx 18:02, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

It seems that's what most of those cases were, even if they ended up not being the cause of blocking.

So from what I understood, it really doesn't matter if the pages are blanked because some people know what the edit history function is for.

Thanks. cogsan (talk) 18:11, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi, welcome to the teahouse. The only thing cannot be blanked is rejected unblock request. However, I suggest archive the notice instead if you really don't like them show on talk page, which will be a better way than searching in history. Lemonaka (talk) 18:53, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

I've seen at least one case of someone trying to do that, and THAT got reverted and ended with them losing talk page edit rights. cogsan (talk) 19:02, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

I made it clear. Lemonaka (talk) 19:04, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Blanking a talk page is not good faith even if it's yours. Cwater1 (talk) 02:11, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome to your personal opinion, Cwater1, but I suggest that you either keep it to yourself or argue for it on Wikipedia talk:User pages. -- Hoary (talk) 06:35, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

makes sense Cwater1 (talk) 17:12, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Trademark name infringement

Hello, I have a question regarding a trademark name. If the name is used on a Wikipedia article can the name of that article be removed if someone trademarks the name. Wikipedia is known to pop out in all search engines as the first article hindering the brand of that trademark. For example an artist trademarks their name for good and services. A Wikipedia article with that same name keeps popping up in search. Can it be edited? 107.115.227.65 (talk) 17:54, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP user. We follow our style guide at MOS:TM. Wikipedia does not treat trademarks in the same way as other publications (for example it does not use the ™ symbol). The only indication a word is a trademark (if it is used in a context where that is true) will be an initial capital. Article names are not altered just because someone has trademarked some word within it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:10, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Not without a good reason other that it being trademarked. If the name is there as a result of being properly cited and being relevant to the article, one would expect the name to be there. If SEO is an issue, I suggest that you deal with it through tinkering with that website and other SEO activities. We are not here to help promote one's good and services. – robertsky (talk) 18:14, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Having said that, it is reasonable for the Wikipedia article for the person to have a link to their official website, per WP:ELYES. So even if the person using the search engine ends up at the Wikipedia article, it will be easy for them to go to the official website as their next stop. GoingBatty (talk) 20:25, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

"can the name of that article be removed if someone trademarks the name"... Wikipedia can use a name in an article, and in an article title, even if the name is trademarked. David10244 (talk) 08:40, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Use of External Link vs. Reference

Appreciate explicit guidance on when it is appropriate to use an external link instead of a reference. My impression is that the links are to places that the reader might use to accomplish something practical vs. a citation that simply backs up information in the text?

Thank you! LBDon (talk) 17:56, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

@LBDon Please read the guidance at WP:EL. In general, external links are not used in the body text of an article, so are not in themselves citations. Some external links can go in a special section at the foot of an article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:02, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I had read this, and actually was referring to the external links at the end of the page, not to inline links to external sources.

While having read the following: "Some acceptable external links include those that contain further research that is accurate and on-topic, information that could not be added to the article for reasons such as copyright or amount of detail, or other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article for reasons unrelated to its accuracy." I am still unclear, and if more clarity is available I would be greatful.

I do not understand the difference between a citation (which may, indeed, also "contain further research that is accurate and on-topic" with what is pointed to by an external link at the bottom of the page. I don't believe that citations are off topic and inaccurate.

Is there a functional difference between the two? LBDon (talk) 18:42, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Inline citations are placed within the article text, and generate a superscript number which links to an entry in the "References" section. The "External links" section will normally contain not many entries, and provide information which doesn't support any specific part of the article text. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:48, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Michael, another way I might ask the question is: When would I use an external link at the bottom and NOT use a citation? When would I use a citation and NOT use an external link at the bottom? Any answer to those questions would really nail it:) LBDon (talk) 18:47, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

@LBDon A citation is used to reference the source of information that is stated in the article. An external link is a convenience link to "further information" that is not already included in the article. The most common external link is the subject's own website. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:36, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

@LBDon External links are always optional and many articles don't have any. On the other hand, citations are mandatory, since everything in an article has to be capable of being verified, a core policy here. There are edge cases. For example, Wikipedia consensus is that the Internet Movie Database is not a reliable source, so should never be used as a citation (although many creep in!). However, virtually all actors and films have entries there, so a large number of these articles link to IMDB in the external links section. If you have specific cases in mind, ask again here at the Teahouse, or on my Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:43, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Help

I am asking for a help, please someone save my created Laalkuthi page from getting deleted. This page has enough reliable sources that pass WP:GNG. So save the Laalkuthi page. Nilpriyo 12:22, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@Nilpriyo I think you meant Laalkuthi, which is subject to a deletion discussion at WP:Articles for deletion/Laalkuthi and where anyone interested can comment. Also, please alter your signature, as the "Talk" part goes to a DAB page, not your actual Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:28, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse, and i hope you enjoy your time here! im pretty sure the Teahouse isnt the right place to ask to save a AFD page, i recommend reading Help! my article got nominated for deletion, addressing some of the deletion concerns (which were "reads like an advertisement" and "its only TRP stuff") or if it comes to it, accept that sometimes articles get deleted (im sorry if it comes to that). i wish you well in your attempt to save your article. -Bad At This, The Kneecap Destroyer ^{(yell at me)} 18:39, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Apologies for what I may have done wrong. But WP:Articles for deletion/Laalkuthi save the page by keeping vote.Nilpriyo 12:38, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Nilpriyo AfD is not a vote. At the end of a period of time and Administrator reviews the article and all the commentary at AfD and makes a decision. David notMD (talk) 18:47, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

please do not respond to your own AFD, as far as i know, thats against the rules. -Bad At This, The Kneecap Destroyer ^{(yell at me)} 19:00, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Im really bad at this, an editor is free to contribute to an AfD discussion on an article they have created. What they need to be careful of is excessive comments that could be considered disruptive. Slywriter (talk) 19:19, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

New Page

Hi good day,

Our company would like to dedicate a page, or 2 depending on what is allowed that highlights and explains what is the difference between financial emigration, ceasing ones tax residency, and how it impacts ones life.

Please advise on the steps thereon,

Thank you 209.203.58.118 (talk) 18:45, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi, please disclose your company in your userpage in accordance with WP:PAID, also read the Paid Editing Essay to make sure nothing you write violates NPOV

Hope this helps, and welcome to the teahouse!

-Bad At This, The Kneecap Destroyer ^{(yell at me)} 18:51, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Are you considering an article about the company, or about these two topics with no mention of the company? Also there is no "our" or "we" in Wikipedia. Each account and non-account IP must represent only one person. Lastly, be aware that Tax residence exists. David notMD (talk) 18:55, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. Because this is an encyclopaedia of notable topics, and not a 'how to do it manual', my first question would be to ask what existing articles you have identified here, and what information gap your proposal would fill? Then I'd ask what reliable, published sources you would base such an article on (but not your company's own website or other promotional site or service). If you genuinely think there is a gap, then the best way to start an article is to dedicate some time (weeks not hours) to learning how to edit Wikipedia and what its protocols are before ever attempting the hardest task anyone can do here: namely, creating an article from scratch. Then I'd point you to Help:Your first article and suggest you begin creating a draft which can be submitted for review and feedback when you think it's ready.

Creating a free account is a sensible move, too. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:56, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

In addition to all of the above, your company would need to fulfill WP:N for organizations, which are pretty stringent requirements. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 19:47, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

No, LegalSmeagolian: they havet said that they want to create an article about a general topic that their company has an interest in, not about their company, so their company's notability doesn't arise. They will however need to be careful about COI, and making sure that they give appropriate weight to all published sources on the matter, especially the ones that take a different position from their company. ColinFine (talk) 13:43, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Duchy of Burgandy

My name is Enio de Carvalho Dias and my wife is Ana Celia Carvalho,"Gonzalez" . we met back in 1974 in New York City, and got married on March 22nd 1975. both myself and my wife are the direct descendant of Wlhelm Van der Haegen and his wife Margareth of Savoy, Duchyburgandy (talk) 20:45, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Duchyburgandy, welcome to the Teahouse. Is there anything you'd need help with? If you're looking to write an autobiography, keep in mind that they are heavily discouraged, as well as our conflict of interest policy. Silikonz💬 21:42, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Every one of us is the direct descendent of many people. Unsurprisingly, reliable sources are rarely interested. But ... is "Burgandy" related to Burgundy? 126.157.80.79 (talk) 09:45, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Enio, I am a direct descendant of Ivan IV the Terrible. The fame and incessant attention from women is unfortunately our burden to bear for life. Epifanove^🗯️ 21:59, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Where to find articles needing grammar fixes or needing links to other pages?

Hi! I am new to Wikipedia and want to help edit. However, I cannot find articles that have the issues I am good at fixing. I have tried the recommended suggestions, though every one of them seem to not have the issues I am good at fixing. Is there a way I can search for articles such as these to fix them? Cinnacat (talk) 22:16, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Try here and here AdmiralAckbar1977 (talk) 22:22, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Cinnacat (talk) 22:28, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

@Cinnacat: Welcome to the Teahouse. The community portal has some standard maintenance tasks under the "Help out" heading. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:22, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Alright, thank you! Cinnacat (talk) 22:27, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

@Cinnacat: Thank you for your eagerness to improve Wikipedia! To find articles needing grammar fixes, try doing searches for poor grammar such as "They is" insource:/ They is / and carefully review each article to see if it truly needs to be changed.

To find articles needing links to other pages, you can look at Category:All dead-end pages, which I review almost every day I'm onwiki. GoingBatty (talk) 04:58, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I will start working to fix these articles right now! Cinnacat (talk) 02:07, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Editing my personal Wikipedia Page. (MaterialScientist denied changes.

Hello , How do I make changes (updates ) to my page without the bot reversing and locking me out of being able to edit my page. Cameradirector (talk) 23:06, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

(Courtsy link) Welcome to the teahouse Cameradirector! what page are you referring to? do you mean your Userpage? or a page about the real you? if its about the real you its a COI and you cant edit the page, you could leave a message in the talk page though! update: i checked your edit, and it qualifys as page blanking, large quantities of information have been removed for no discernable reason. if you want, you could include in explanation in your edit summery -Bad At This, The Kneecap Destroyer ^{(yell at me)} 23:29, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Cameradirector: Greetings, and welcome to the Teahouse. Assuming that you are John Stuart Scott, this is not "your personal page", but rather an encyclopedia article about you. As such we need to base the information therein primarily on reliable sources which are independent of the subject. In light of this, we strongly discourage the subjects of articles from directly editing these articles for conflict of interest reasons. Instead, it is preferred that you submit edit requests to the article's talk page, where they can be evaluated by experienced editors. --Finngall ^talk 23:40, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Cameradirector. When you write my personal Wikipedia Page, that indicates that you have a misunderstanding about this website. Wikipedia does not have "personal pages". Instead, it has neutrally written encyclopedia articles that summarize what reliable independent published sources say about the topic. Because you have a clear conflict of interest, you should confine yourself to making well-referenced , formal edit request at Talk: John Stuart Scott. Please read about article ownership. Cullen328 (talk) 23:53, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

I removed date and place of birth because there is no ref to confirm that information David notMD (talk) 02:58, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

There is no evidence in the article John Stuart Scott that would suggest you are notable, unless better sources can be found the article should probably be taken to WP:AFD. Theroadislong (talk) 12:13, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Early life

Officialdonzil (talk) 01:48, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

@Officialdonzil: Welcome to the Teahouse! Do you have a question about using Wikipedia? GoingBatty (talk) 05:07, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

NO sir yes sir how do I use it User:Officialdonzil (talk) 03:48, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

new format for main page

Why isn't there a "search" field on the main page? 174.67.208.167 (talk) 05:52, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. The search field should be at the top of the screen with a . —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:55, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Wiki specialist needed

Hi

I am looking for a Wiki specialist to write / edit and publish an article on Sandton, Gauteng, South Africa and Claremont, Cape Town South Africa. DeeJooste (talk) 08:08, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi, DeeJooste, I think you may want to see Wikipedia:Requested articles and post your request at an appropriate sub-page there, e.g. at Wikipedia:Requested articles/Social sciences/Geography, cities, regions and named places. --CiaPan (talk) 08:36, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

@DeeJooste: Wait, aren't Sandton / Sandown, Gauteng and Claremont, Cape Town the articles you need...? --CiaPan (talk) 08:39, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi

Yes, they are there already. I am not great with wiki, there are edits on those pages that need to be done. DeeJooste (talk) 08:42, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

@DeeJooste: OK, so probably the best way to request any fix or expansion to those articles is by submitting an appropriate request at their respective Talk: pages (see Help:Talk pages for more info) – Talk:Sandton, Talk:Sandown, Gauteng or Talk:Claremont, Cape Town. Those may be watched by editors involved in creating those articles, or just interested in the subject, so this may be a relatively fast way to reach them.

You can find some hints on requesting edits at Wikipedia:Edit requests. That is a routine designed for editors who can't or shouldn't edit Wikipedia articles themselves, anyway the hints given there may help you to prepare a good, clear request. Good luck! --CiaPan (talk) 09:11, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

The Talk pages of those articles get few viewers, so posting requests there is unlikely to get a fast response, or any response. David notMD (talk) 09:42, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Formal edit requests using the appropriate template will get attention from editors, no matter how obscure the page is. Poorly formulated edit requests may end up getting ignored. So, follow the rules, be cogent, be relevant, write clearly and neutrally, and always provide references to reliable sources. Cullen328 (talk) 10:02, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

You could also ask at WT:WikiProject South Africa, as people there are more likely to have interest and knowledge on the subject. Don't raise the same issue in two different places though: if you make a request on the article's talk page, you can put an item on the WikiProject's talk page asking people to look at that request. --ColinFine (talk) 13:53, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

You can leave a comment on my talk page with content you would like to see added, along with the necessary references, and I can have a look.

Alternatively, just leave me some links and I can do the research myself, I wouldn't mind adding to these articles. Epifanove^🗯️ 21:54, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Draft declined and I do not agree

Hello, Bieneba (talk) 09:31, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

I perfectly agree with the decline, considering you seem to push pseudoscience. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 09:34, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

What do you mean by pseudoscience?

The research is there and valid. Can you please elaborate Bieneba (talk) 09:36, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

I can tell you from experience that no autistic person wants physical contact. Nothing can change that. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 09:37, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm autistic myself and this is true because of the sensory impairment. The qigong massage technieque works in respect to that boundary and with daily gentle actions this boundaries softens and touch is possible. Even so that the sensory impairment can be reversed and healed. For this daily treatment is necessary for at least 1-2 years. Healing the tactile/sensory impairment makes that selfregulation improves as well. This is honestly a very simple though effective technique which is very child friendly. Ask me more about it or read about it on the web Bieneba (talk) 13:33, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Could someone help me with these arguments please? Am I stating this correctly and is there a chance it will be accepted?

Thanks so much for your help.

I do not agree with the copyright infringement for this link: https://www.qsti.org/published-studies/

This page lists the research done and it should also be listed on the Wikipedia article. The list will always be the same and can be found on other websites too.

Can this be corrected please?

Also the copyright infringement for this link is not valid. https://www.qsti.org/qst-autism-parent-resources/

The text is the official description of the questionnaires used in research done by Dr. L. Silva. I will ask the QSTI (Qigong Sensory training Institute) for approval to use these descriptions as I feel they should stay the way they are. These descriptions were also copied by https://www.acupuncturewithzen.com/qigong-sensory-autism-qsti/

I rephrased the text that was an issue but cannot change the list with research articles as the official article titles need to be in the list. Do I resubmit for review? or do I wait on a reply from you?

Thank you

Bieneba (talk) 09:34, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Regardless of any copyright issues the the draft Draft:Qigong Sensory Training - QST is blatant advertising. Theroadislong (talk) 09:41, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

ok thank you for your return . Any advise on how to address this and do better? Bieneba (talk) 13:39, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Please see WP:NOTADVERT. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:47, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deleted. David notMD (talk) 09:51, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Copyright infrigements are not permitted on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 09:55, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

And - I can't stress this enough - neither is pseudoscience. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 09:57, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Actually, LilianaUwU, Wikipedia neutrally written articles about notable pseudoscientific topics are permitted on Wikipedia, as long as the sources are reliable and the prose makes it clear that it is a pseudoscientific topic. We have articles on every well known pseudoscientific topic from the Loch Ness monster to Big Foot and Piltdown Man and Cold fusion and Astrology and Homeopathy and Dowsing and Ancient astronauts and countless other crank, pseudoscientific topics. These articles require monitoring to prevent kooks and cranks from messing with them, but they belong in the encyclopedia. Cullen328 (talk) 10:20, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Oh yeah, Cullen328, I'm aware that there are pseudoscientific topics that are covered, and that wasn't my point, I was referring to people pushing pseudoscience rather than the topic itself in general. Perhaps I should've been clearer. I have to admit, though, that this is a case where it directly involves me - as an autistic person, reading something about "normalizing physical contact" rubs me the wrong way (no pun intended). LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 10:26, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes I get that. Our sensitivity can make touch really hard. But science evolves and so does our knowledge of the human body. This is a method that has been proven to work positively on healing the tactile and sensory impairment in autosm. It does not heal autism dough, but having sensory challenges improved or or taken away is a very bug deal and a huge positive to many autistic children. I also feel that even if you are sensitive to the topic I would like invite you to dig deeper and investigate the topic. Bieneba (talk) 13:38, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Not proven. See Qigong for an example of a non-advertising, non-copyright infringement article that incorporates discussion of claimed health benefits and quality of research. As for autism, at PubMed (National Library of Medicine, there is this article:

Ruan H, Eungpinichpong W, Wu H, Shen M, Zhang A. Medicine Insufficient Evidence for the Efficacy of Massage as Intervention for Autism Spectrum Disorder: A Systematic Review. Evid Based Complement Alternat Med. 2022 Sep 24;2022:5328320. doi: 10.1155/2022/5328320. PMID: 36193150; PMCID: PMC9526643. The conclusion: Therefore, there is insufficient evidence to conclude that massage is effective for ASD. Future studies should include large sample sizes, incorporate double-blind designs, employ appropriate outcome measures, and allow for long observation and follow-up periods. Furthermore, consensus must be reached on standardized treatments and additional therapies in order to provide better quality evidence for the treatment of ASD.

Per Wikipedia policy, reviews such as this are required to meet sci lit requirements explained at WP:MEDRS. David notMD (talk) 14:10, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

When a draft is rejected, it says why. You can ask how to improve. Cwater1 (talk) 02:13, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

+ numbers versus - numbers on a contribution

Hello there! Could someone please tell me if a red minus number in the contributions is a bad thing? I have made some very minor edits as a newcomer, but some have a red minus with a number. I don't wish to make any mistakes and am trying to do things correctly. I understand it has to do with beta, but I'm not sure if it's a positive or negative contribution.

Thank you Bijou1995 (talk) 12:53, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi Bijou1995, it is simply the "Page byte size change" roughly the number of characters added (green), or deleted (red) - best wishes - Arjayay (talk) 13:14, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Bijou1995 (talk) 13:16, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Need assistance Polis University Tirana

Dear Sir/Madam I am the Rector of Polis University Tirana Albania we have a serious problem with the content of English Wikipedia about our University. It does not represent our level of institution development. We wrote you via out IT but so far no respond. We are in the process of international accreditation and ranking so we would like to kindly have your assistance to solve the issue. My colleague responsible of IT Altin Sula is ready to provide you detailed info. Please make possible for us to start this process of communication and assistance. We will be very horned to have you assistance. sincerely

Prof. Dr. Besnik Aliaj Rektor, Universiteti POLIS Web: www.universitetipolis.edu.al 213.207.45.70 (talk) 13:41, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! I see you have already received answers to your similar post at Wikipedia:Help desk#Need to get in contact. Please do not post the same request on the Help desk and here at the Teahouse. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 14:50, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Polis University article is in big trouble. It has been nominated for deletion, which will occur on 24 February unless contested. Recently, content added by User: U POLIS and User:U POLIS2023 was removed because names of institutions cannot be used as User names, and also because the names were identified as coming from the same account - a forbidden practice called 'sockpuppetry'. Those accounts are blocked from editing. Whichever of you (Besnik or Sula) were responsible for those accounts should cease editing. David notMD (talk) 15:08, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Here is a possible solution: Whichever of you not responsible for U POLIS and U POLIS2023 should start a new account with a made up User name or something like Besnik at UPolis or Altin at UPolis. A required next step is to declare on the User page that you are an employee of U Polis and have been asked to edit this article. See WP:PAID for policy for paid. Next step is to Edit the article to remove the Proposed deletion content at the top, AND to start a discussion on the Talk page, explaining your connection to the University and your intent to add referenced content. Step after that is NOT to edit the article directly. As you are a paid editor, you are limited to proposing added content in a discussion on the Talk page, so that a non-involved editor can either implement the proposed change or deny it. All proposed content must have references. See Help:Referencing for beginners for how to create references. I suggest drafting refs in your own Sandbox, and then copying into the Talk discussion only when properly formatted. Good luck in your endeavors. David notMD (talk) 15:15, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Edit requests for how to request that someone review your edit requests. A tip: better to break the edit requests into separately submitted sections rather than a huge block of content and refs that may dismay a reviewer, or cause the whole thing to be rejected because parts were not valid. David notMD (talk) 15:43, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! 81.26.200.104 (talk) 06:50, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

editing my clubs entry, and then having it undone by Wikipedia

Editing my club entry (Duns RFC) and then having it undone by Wikipedia Sumo1878 SCO (talk) 13:43, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Please see the explanatory messages on your talk page. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:12, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

HR8799

The "Location of 8799" dark-hued star chart, embedded within the article, displays an ERROR in the name of one of the stars belonging to constellation PEGASUS. Shown is "Schest" - a spelling mistake.

Corrected, it should display as "Scheat". This is an M2.5II-IIIe red giant star that also goes by the name "Beta Pegasi" [Beta Pegasus??]. It seems to have gotten its name from "Giovanni Riccioli" who provided a more expanded original name for it. 2607:FEA8:4D5F:EC1:219B:3143:C612:F669 (talk) 14:24, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! I don't see "Schest" on the HR 8799 article, or in any other article on the English Wikipedia. If you're unable to fix an error yourself, the best place to discuss it is the article's talk page (e.g. Talk:HR 8799). Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:55, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty, the term is actually in this image, which is used in the article referred to. The image itself would need to be fixed. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:00, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Pinging Tomruen who made the image. The poster is right about Scheat. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:13, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation. Sorry for not understanding your initial post. GoingBatty (talk) 15:45, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Corrected. Thanks! Tom Ruen (talk) 18:07, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Article notability/deletion

Hi, I'm relatively new to Wikipedia, and I wanted to start writing some smaller articles. I was wondering what specifically were the notability requirements for rivers, and the point where it becomes notable, so I could determine whether or not one of my drafts should be worked on or not. I wrote a draft, and it was deleted (which definitely makes sense), so I was wondering if/should I should edit. Thanks. PanzerJagerWolf (talk) 15:07, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @PanzerJagerWolf, welcome to the Teahouse. Your article was declined, not deleted, because you failed to show that the river was notable. We do have a notability guideline for such things: WP:NGEO. The key is going to be finding sources about the river which meet our criteria - reliable, independent, published secondary sources with significant coverage of the subject. A database entry is not going to be sufficient. You could look at some of our good or featured articles on rivers to see what sources they use - Columbia River, for instance. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:24, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I think I'll try looking at some more sources. PanzerJagerWolf (talk) 16:08, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

@PanzerJagerWolf Welcome to the Teahouse. The guidance is at WP:NGEO and, of course, many rivers do already have articles, so check the categories at Category:Rivers and its sub-categories. Writing articles to acceptable standards can be tough for a beginner but one useful essay on this is this one as well as the help pages such as WP:YFA. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:24, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

@PanzerJagerWolf Hi and welcome to the Teahouse! i hope you enjoy your time here, and on Wikipedia! if im correct, general notablity guidelines are on the page WP:Notability, but also remember, Wikipedia is not a directory and just because something exists, does not make it notable! -Bad At This, The Kneecap Destroyer ^{(yell at me)} 15:25, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Wiki-project revival

I recently joined the wiki-project Prussia which is marked as inactive, in a bid to revive the project started to wright new articles and asked all the 7 members if they wanted to help me revive the project, none of them answered. Is it ok now for me to take charge and create task forces, recruit new members, and become the leader. I didn't want to read all the policies and go through the bureaucracy so I'm asking here Crainsaw (talk) 15:58, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

@Crainsaw There is important guidance at WP:PROJGUIDE. I don't think that Wikipedia editing really involves the concept of "leader" but very active editors in a given area will of course become familiar to others interested. I can understand your reluctance to read all the policies but given that you seem happy to take on a bunch of other tasks, I would advise you to read carefully at minimum the page I've linked. Good luck. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:26, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Possible correction

Hello. I was reading the article "History of law enforcement in the United Kingdom" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_law_enforcement_in_the_United_Kingdom) and I noticed something in the last sentence of the first paragraph. It says "ninetieth [90th] century" when I believe it should say "nineteenth [19th] century". I could have read or understood this wrong, but it doesn't make sense to me, given the obvious fact that we have yet to reach the 90th century. Abloefefnoab (talk) 16:30, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

@Abloefefnoab, thanks for pointing this out, another editor fixed it. You could have done so yourself, see WP:TUTORIAL for more on that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:08, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Editing query concerning future events

I am very new to wikipedia and have recently been updating pages relevant to Sir Anthony Seldon's appointment as head of Epsom College (an independent school in surrey). However, I would like to ask for clarification about how to write certain info, as Seldon is due to start at epsom college in march, and continue until september 2024. Should I retain my current sentence, in the future tense, ("He is due to begin his duties on 1 March 2023, and step aside for a permanent head in September 2024.") or as though it has already happened ("he began his duties on 1 March 2023, and stepped aside for a permanent head in September 2024.") I have seen both examples in different areas of wikipedia, and would love some clarification from the community.

Thanks in advance for any help

Link to page:Anthony Seldon Rupdatroop (talk) 18:35, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi - welcome to the teahouse! MOS:CURRENT recommends that you phrase your statements in a way that will not become outdated. Perhaps you could phrase it as "In February 2023, he announced the appointment to head of Epsom college, beginning in March 2023." SpookyTwenty (talk) 19:12, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks- will go for this option. Thanks for your help! Rupdatroop (talk) 19:36, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

@Rupdatroop You should certainly not use the second form of expression, as WP:NOTCRYSTAL. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:15, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

@Rupdatroop: Review what your reliable published source states, and then write it in your own words for the article without changing the facts. If your source is the February announcement, then SpookyTwenty's suggestion could be reasonable. You would need a source published after 1 March 2023 to state when he actually began his duties. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:21, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

thanks - I think I will go for SpookyTwenty's suggestion as my principal source is the email sent to parents by the school. Thanks for the help! Rupdatroop (talk) 19:36, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

@Rupdatroop An email is not a good source, since it is difficut to verify. I note that the article already contains a much better BBC souce for the same information (which is currently duplicated in the text). Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:07, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the recommendation - I hesitated to use the BBC article as I wasn't aware that It contained information about dates. I will update the citation with the article. Rupdatroop (talk) 21:29, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

user wizerd

I created my user wizerd , How i published it? RezaulIslamShamim (talk) 19:39, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Wikipedia:Help desk § Create Profile - relevant help desk post 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:45, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

WRONG PLACE (yes, I shouted) Twice you have created article-like content at User:RezaulIslamShamim and twice it has been Speedy deleted, as your User page is not a place for a biography or autobiography. You have created it for a third time, today. I ask that an Administrator tag it for Speedy deletion. Before that happens, you should move the content to a draft. WP:YFA explains how to create a draft in the proper place and submit it for review. That said, your content has no references, and so cannot be accepted as an article. All facts about a living person must be verified by references. David notMD (talk) 20:14, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Strangely, another editor, User:মোঃ তৌকির হাসান (নিকসন), posted an identical version of this potential article to their user page (since removed), and uploaded the picture which is being used. Both @RezaulIslamShamim and মোঃ তৌকির হাসান (নিকসন) may want to review our conflict of interest guideline: WP:COI. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:25, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

@David notMD: Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion states that "Anyone can request speedy deletion by adding one of the speedy deletion templates, but only administrators may actually delete." GoingBatty (talk) 20:41, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

I sit corrected. (Fuzzy on why the saying is "I stand corrected.") David notMD (talk) 21:10, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

seems stand has a mental component too! SpookyTwenty (talk) 21:54, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

I have blocked User:মোঃ তৌকির হাসান (নিকসন) as it seems to be the same person, who later created User:RezaulIslamShamim. And the page that was there has been moved to Draft:Rezaul Islam Shamim for improvement, because it was not appropriate for a user page and is not ready for publication as an article, and draft space is the only venue Wikipedia has for a person to write an article about himself. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:22, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Fixing the code for Line 1 (Athens Suburban Railway)

Greetings, I'm trying to fix the code for so it links to Line 1 (Athens Suburban Railway) can anyone help? sorry to be a pain about this? ✠ Emperor of Byzantium ✠ (talk) 20:24, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

@The Emperor of Byzantium: If you don't receive a response here, I suggest you ask at the template talk page: Template talk:Rail-interchange. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:42, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @GoingBatty will do, and thanks for the quick response and positive encouragement ✠ Emperor of Byzantium ✠ (talk) 23:12, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Email

Does it determine the Wikipedia principal which says (30 days and 500 edits) for sister to be able to access the service of emails?. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MDmulwa (talk • contribs) 22:04, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Does it determine the Wikipedia principal which says (30 days and 500 edits) for a Wikipedia user to be able to access email services? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MDmulwa (talk • contribs) 22:19, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @MDmulwa, welcome to the Teahouse. Please post new questions at the bottom of the page. I'm afraid I don't understand what you're asking - is it related to your last questions here? (This one and this one?) 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:17, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

As far as I know, WP:XC is not required to send email from Wikipedia. But, not all users allow contact by email. RudolfRed (talk) 23:20, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

What is the teahouse??????

no description included Cicadacola! (talk) 23:54, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Hey Cicadacola! At the top of the page, it states A friendly place where you can ask questions to get help with using and editing Wikipedia. This means you can ask questions about how to use, or edit, Wikipedia, and general questions about Wikipedia as well. We don't forget the tea, of course. ;) Tails Wx 23:59, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Please help me

why my website does not summit please don't block it for me cuz I've tried many account if I anyone actually say that I've blocked it was automatic I don't know what is wrong with it Officialdonzil (talk) 23:59, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. Wikipedia is not like social media, this is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves, where mere existence allows for inclusion. This is an encyclopedia with criteria for inclusion, which we call notability, such as the definition of a notable musician. If you meet at least one aspect of that criteria, an article about you may be possible, but you shouldn't be the one to write it, see the autobiography policy. If you just want to tell the world about yourself, you should use social media. 331dot (talk) 00:15, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

If you are asking why your submission at Draft:Zil.xdonzil.x was declined, the reasons were given on the draft itself, and on your user talk page. The words in blue in the feedback are wikilinks to further information about the problems. Resubmitting the draft without addressing the problems might be regarded as tendentious editing. If you are saying that you have previous accounts which are blocked, you should not be editing as this is sockpuppetry; you need to submit an unblock request on the blocked account. - David Biddulph (talk) 00:16, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

The entire content of Draft:Zil.xdonzil.x is "zil.xdonzil.x was born 11 February 2001 zil.xdonzil.x he was a singer rapping" That is not a valid article. Of greater importance, As David pointed out, you state that you have had other accounts. If true, then this one and others should be indefinitely blocked as sockpuppets, and you are forbidden to create a draft until you get your original account unblocked. David notMD (talk) 03:45, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

New message moved from top of page

Oooh sorry I got you, sorry for my interruption poor and misleading statements that I applied which coused the interruption, I hope I will be forgiven for that, something went wrong somewhere, but I will try my best. MDmulwa (talk) 03:33, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

A few articles from Simple English Wikipedia

Generally I see simple english to english wikipedia as being acceptable in one way but not the other, that is to say simple english wikipedia articles are acceptable on Enlgish wikipedia but not the other way around. I found a few about related topics which all appear to be present on only simple english wikipedia which is a rarity. So I mostly imported them verbatim (giving credit to the original authors). Are there any major issues with them?

Ancient Moirang

Moirang Kangleirol

List of rulers of Moirang

Ancient Kangleipak

Ancient Meitei language Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 03:44, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

For the Moirang Kangleirol article,

1. I would move the images as that is not normally where they are (it might not conflict with MoS though).
2. Fill in bare URLs.
3. Legends section needs citations.
4. Wording might need change.

I only skimmed through the article, so there may be more issues. ✶Mitch199811✶ 03:58, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

It seems someone translated this article Stonehenge of Manipur from simple english wikipedia so likely same authors involved with them

Ancient Kangleipak feels particularly bad on simple english wikipedia so I decided against continuing with it. Had too many references to self published sources and a questionable tone. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 04:16, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Immanuelle, I looked at just one of these, simple:Ancient Meitei language. Its body text consists of just two sentences. In en:Wikipedia (this Wikipedia), Ancient Meitei language redirects to Meitei language. Why should it not continue to do so? If you have more to say about Ancient Meitai, this could be said within the existing article Meitei language, until/unless the latter grows to an indigestible length. Meanwhile, parts of the article Meitei language obviously need work. An example: The culture involved with the Meitei language is rooted deeply with pride and tradition based on having respect to the community elders. I don't know what's meant by "the culture involved with [any particular language]", or by a culture being "rooted deeply with [whatever]. I can guess, but my guess could well be wrong: this isn't good enough. (Or is this instead lucid English, and my lack of comprehension is just my problem?) -- Hoary (talk) 06:50, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary yeah I decided the one didn't need one there. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 07:47, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Should the notice about reliable sources be removed?

Hello, I have added many reliable citations to address the reliable sources notice on this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairy_Queen_(locomotive)

Should this now be removed? Can someone please check. I feel there are sufficient reliable sources. Thank you. ANLgrad (talk) 04:44, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

hi @ANLgrad. Thanks for your work! That does look like me to be a big improvement. The main concern that I can see remaining is the Pitara Kids Network source - not exactly a Reliable Source. But if you remove that source, I think you should be good to go ahead and remove the notice. Tomorrow and tomorrow (talk) 04:53, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Tomorrow and tomorrow, thank you for pointing out about the Pitara Kids source.

I replaced the Pitara Kids source with a reliable source below

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/infrastructure/worlds-oldest-steam-engine-fairy-queen-will-ferry-people-between-delhi-and-rewari-from-february-11/vintage-pride/slideshow/57094325.cms

This is the news publication https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economic_Times

I also found information on official Government of India website Press Information Bureau Ministry of Railways

https://pib.gov.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=158386

This is a primary source, and I then realized that the text has been exactly copied from here. So, I modified the text to avoid plagiarism.

Thank you again. ANLgrad (talk) 08:22, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Moved Draft:Move/Mcdo to Mcdo

@Tails Wx move it pls 112.206.207.16 (talk) 06:53, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Move/Mcdo redirects to McDonald's. Mcdo redirects to McDonald's. Why do you want Draft:Move/Mcdo moved to Mcdo? -- Hoary (talk) 07:40, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Incidentally, I realize that Mcdo is redlinked and thus looks as if it will return no more than The page "Mcdo" does not exist. You can create a draft and submit it for review, or you may create the page "McDo" directly. However, it's instead interpreted as McDo, which redirects to McDonald's. -- Hoary (talk) 09:15, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

I have 2 links in simple wiki SM City Sorsogon and [simple:SM City Sorsogon] and [simple:Mcdo] 112.206.207.16 (talk) 06:59, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

If this is a question about Simple English Wikipedia, then please rephrase it more lucidly and ask it there. If (or so far as) it is about this Wikipedia, then please rephrase it more lucidly and ask it here. -- Hoary (talk) 09:00, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Do questions/comments/posts have to be formal?

While looking through the Teahouse, I see a lot of different writing styles from non-formal to super-formal. I have always assumed comments must be formal and grammatically correct or it will.. break a rule of some sort? I'm not sure. Cinnacat (talk) 07:16, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@Cinnacat: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There is no requirement that questions here have to be formal, the Teahouse hosts are generally adaptive to the situation. Generally speaking, we are also capable of interpreting what could have been meant for minor gramatical errors, though if a question is in a mayor way or totally incomprehensible we cannot answer it. 07:28, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@Cinnacat Note that Wikipedia does have an extensive manual of style for its articles but on Talk Pages (including the help pages) informality is fine, provided you are clear and don't make personal attacks relating to other editors. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:36, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@Cinnacat: No. Neocorelight (Talk) 12:38, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a relaxed and informal place, but you should always remember to ask people what their pronouns are before you start a conversation with them. It demonstrates that you care about and value them on the basis of their gender. Dinglepincter (talk) 16:40, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@Dinglepincter: There is no need to ask people what their pronouns are, and I would be quite suspicious if someone wanted to value others on the basis of their gender. If this is something that people care about, they can clear that up easily by going to Preferences → User profile → Internationalisation and selecting the radio button that best fits them. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:41, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@Cinnacat As the Teahouse is not a public-facing article but part of operations "behind the scenes" so to speak, it doesn't demand the formality an article would (although civility is expected). The variation you have noticed is largely down to individual styles and even varying moods, and perhaps also to whom a particular reply might be addressed (as some of us have been here for years and have got to know each others' on-Wiki personalities). I myself tend to write rather formally, simply because when I'm writing (as opposed to speaking) it's how I think – I can write more informally, or adopt various other stylistic characteristics if they're required (I used to write non-fiction copy professionally) but it takes conscious effort. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.55.125 (talk) 05:18, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Creating page

I want to create a page for my teacher, kindly provide a benchmark to help me get started. Hafiz AALC (talk) 09:59, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Hafiz AALC Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. We don't have "pages" here, we have articles. Writing a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia. We usually recommend that you first spend much time editing existing articles, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. It's also a good idea to use the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia.

It's nice that you want to write about your teacher, but Wikipedia is not a place where people can be included just because they exist; there is criteria for inclusion, which we call notability, such as our special definition of a notable person. A person merits a Wikipedia article if they receive sigificant coverage in independent reliable sources, showing how they meet that definition. If you have at least three independent reliable sources that discuss the sigificance or importance of your teacher, you should read Your First Article and use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft for review by independent editors. What sources do you have? 331dot (talk) 10:08, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank You, for this humble piece of advice, i have the independent reliable sources and he can qualify the definition of notability as well. Hafiz AALC (talk) 10:28, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

What sources do you have? (Three is sufficient) 331dot (talk) 10:53, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

userpage

Hi, this might be very odd to ask but can you people ping me here if your user page on Wikipedia is impressive. I would like to develop my user page too by taking some insights from fellow users/contributors. Thank you. 456legend(talk) 10:09, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

456legend "Impressive" is a matter of opinion, is there certain criteria you are looking for? 331dot (talk) 10:12, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@331dot Oh yes you are right. I am just looking for any template or something that helps me to be precise in what I contribute on Wikipedia instead of writing it on my own. 456legend(talk) 10:16, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

456legend, I am not Epicgenius. Indeed, I am nothing like Epicgenius. But it's a fine user page, particularly because it invites the curious reader to the subpage User:Epicgenius/Quality article contributions, which shows that Epicgenius contributes enormously to the creation of an encyclopedia. -- Hoary (talk) 12:15, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Your "List of data visualization created" is pretty but not useful, as neither the map images nor the map titles link to the article in question. Plus, one has to scroll to the right to see all - not an obvious action. Consider instead having a list with no images that for each entry states Election results map at [[ ]]. David notMD (talk) 12:35, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Eh? -- Hoary (talk) 12:54, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Oh got it thank you. 456legend(talk) 13:08, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@456legend You might want to look at WP:UBX for ideas but bear in mind that you will contribute to the Project much more by editing in article space than on your User Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:44, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Yes I agree and assure you on this that I will contribute more on the Wikipedia main space articles. I just wanted to arrange my userspace in a organised manner. Thank you very much for the guidance. 456legend(talk) 13:13, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

I want to write an article

Where can I write the article? RezaulIslamShamim (talk) 12:18, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Not on your user page, this was deleted. Your draft can be edited here Draft:Rezaul Islam Shamim it has zero sources, so please do not submit for review yet. Theroadislong (talk) 12:26, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@RezaulIslamShamim Newcomers are advised to use the WP:AfC process (click link for instructions), perhaps after reading WP:YFA and WP:BACKWARD, assuming you want to work on another new article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:30, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Can I write a sandbox? RezaulIslamShamim (talk) 12:34, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@RezaulIslamShamim Yes, by all means. Your standard sandbox is at User:RezaulIslamShamim/sandbox, which you have already used and can re-edit to move on to a new draft OR you can create more personal sandboxes: see H:SANDBOX. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:40, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) A Sandbox is what is done before converting it to a draft and then submitting. This is already a draft. What you could do in your Sandbox is work on properly formatting references, which you can then paste into the draft. If you have another topic in mind, use WP:YFA to create another draft. The point about WP:BACKWARD is that it is better to start with collecting references and then creating the draft. Otherwise, ESPECIALLY FOR AUTOBIOGRAPHIES, a lot of content is added based on what a person knows to be true about themself, but cannot be verified by a ref. David notMD (talk) 12:42, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

That means I need to use enough references to publish my article. RezaulIslamShamim (talk) 12:45, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

See List of Bangladeshi poets for examples of dozens of articles about Bangladeshi poets. Within that list, on the article Talk pages, articles rated C-class or B-class are of higher quality than Stubs and Starts. David notMD (talk) 12:54, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

I want to create an article like this. Can you help me create such an article? RezaulIslamShamim (talk) 12:58, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

I edited your draft to be in compliance with Wikipedia format, but in general, Teahouse hosts are here to advise, not be coauthors. Your next big step is to find references for what people have written about you and your work, for references. You already have quotes from people about your poetry books - each of those must become referenced. See Help:Referencing for beginners on how to format references. Refs do not have to be in English. David notMD (talk) 13:05, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks you for your help.

Do I add my references sandbox? RezaulIslamShamim (talk) 13:18, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Can I add all of my references in sandbox, sir. RezaulIslamShamim (talk) 13:31, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Delete what is in your Sandbox now (old version of the draft) and use that space to practice creating refs before copying each ref into the appropriate place in the draft. David notMD (talk) 14:43, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

I already add ten plus reference in draft box, please see my draft . After see, please give me suggestion ,next step what i do ? RezaulIslamShamim (talk) 15:21, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

There are paragraphs without references. Any quotations by book reviewers need to be either referenced or deleted. David notMD (talk) 21:29, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

I have added numerous references and tried to add references in every paragraph. Please check my draft and inform me- Please confirm that the references I have used are sufficient to publish this article. RezaulIslamShamim (talk) 06:07, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

@RezaulIslamShamim: You are doing a good job adding references, but there are unsubstantiated claims in there. I have not examined all of the sources because they are not in English and it takes some steps to get them translated, but some of the sources seem to be low quality or editorial/opinion pieces; please see Wikipedia:Golden rule to learn what is expected.

The tone is also not neutral. While the section on criticism seems like an attempt at balance, overall the draft appears as if it was written to praise the subject rather than write neutrally. This is why autobiographies are discouraged; it is hard to write in a neutral fashion when you are the subject. Adjectives such as "famous" writer and "leading" university/critic/playwright are nothing more than unsubstantiated puffery violating the WP:NPOV policy. Describing the style of poetry seems also to be unsubstantiated and unreferenced; subjective opinion is stated as fact in Wikipedia's narrative voice without attributing that opinion to a source. The article would never be approved for publication in its present state. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:54, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

How can I get my draft, Irvin Charles published?

AngusWOOF said that I needed news coverage that Draft:Irvin Charles played in the New York Jets' Week 18 game against the Miami Dolphins. How could you guys help me find something? Here's a link to the page and section Draft:Irvin_Charles (page) Draft:Irvin_Charles#New_York_Jets (section) Coltosubuckeye (talk) 13:27, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Burden is on you to find a ref that he actually played in game 18. David notMD (talk) 15:00, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Whats 1+1

Help me PersonalNarwhal74 (talk) 15:04, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@PersonalNarwhal74 Hello, welcome to the teahouse, for calculating something, please use calculator. Lemonaka (talk) 15:16, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

WP:AIVed, you are clearly not here to build. Lemonaka (talk) 15:20, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

This person has been banned as he was not here to build an encyclopedia. Waylon111 (talk) 17:29, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

In other words, blocked indefinitely. "Banned" is used for another term; see WP:BANNED. Tails Wx 17:33, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

How to wrap the Find sources template into the Talk header box?

For example on this Talk Page: Talk:Kevin_Noble_Maillard the text at top "Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · NYT · TWL" isn't wrapped into the other boxes.

Thanks! JohnRussell (talk) 15:24, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@JohnRussell The template {{talk header}} already includes the template {{find sources}}. Hence when you added both in this edit, you inadvertently created two sets of these links. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:11, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Ohhh thank you! JohnRussell (talk) 03:18, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

How do I get people to help improve my draft?

I have a draft (Draft:Half Life Alyx But The Gnome Is Too Aware) and I was wondering how I can get more people to improve my draft before I submit it. Waylon111 (talk) 17:26, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The best person to improve your draft is you. If you need specific help, please ask. You will need to obtain and summarize independent reliable sources that show that this web show meets the special Wikipedia definition of notable web content; the draft does not do that currently. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 17:32, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Deleting redirects after moving a page

Hello! I've just moved an article I originally created as a personal sub-page to the mainspace, since the subject should have fulfilled WP:GNG. However, both the original sub-page and its talk page remained as redirect, as I expected.

If needed, can I delete them by myself, or should I ask an admin to do it (I'm just an autoconfirmed user at the moment)?

Oltrepier (talk) 18:34, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes, you can ask for deletion as per WP:RDELETE. Epifanove^🗯️ 21:23, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@Epifanove Perfect, thank you for helping! : ) Oltrepier (talk) 21:28, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

No worries, good day Epifanove^🗯️ 21:36, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Lack of good sources, need advice...

How do I gather good sources on something that doesn't have much on it? There's no articles or studies done on voidpunk (the subculture). There's only Tumblr (where it was created), Reddit, and the a brief mention of it on this dating site named Taimi. Is there anything that can be done? AVoidDweller (talk) 19:34, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

If there are enough sources about a topic, the quantity of sources can effectively compensate for lack of coverage in news sources or academic papers and books. This is because a lot of people wouldn’t be saying something if it wasn’t correct. Just make sure your reference list is really long and you should be fine. Dinglepincter (talk) 21:21, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

ETA: voidpunk is a punk subculture that was created online on 2018 (incase this info is relevant) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AVoidDweller (talk • contribs) 19:39, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, AVoidDweller. If significant coverage of the topic in reliable, independent sources does not exist, then it is impossible to write an acceptable Wikipedia article about the topic. Cullen328 (talk) 19:43, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

WP:42 is an essay that expands on what I have said. Cullen328 (talk) 19:47, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Dinglepincter's advice is wrong. For refs, quality is much more important than quantity. A few reliable source references which have at-length content, i.e., not just mention in passing, will be sufficient. If you cannot find, may be just too soon for an article. David notMD (talk) 21:34, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Possible ref: https://taimi.com/wiki/voidpunk-what-is-it-what-does-it-mean#:~:text=Voidpunk%20is%20a%20subculture%20within,aim%20to%20reclaim%20their%20dehumanization. David notMD (talk) 21:38, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

If creating an article feels daunting (as it should), consider adding a referenced section at Punk ideologies. The article can be done later. David notMD (talk) 21:42, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

That seems to be a wiki David. Most wikis are user-generated without strong editorial control, and so are not reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 22:05, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Ah. I missed that. David notMD (talk) 03:29, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Ice cubes

why is store bought ice cubes clear , but house refrigerators ice cubes are cloudy ? 2601:83:8102:FFC0:E8AD:FC1:4222:B8D6 (talk) 23:29, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to a page about the use of Wikipedia. Your question about ice cubes isn't a question about Wikipedia; it's frequently asked, and its answer is easy to find if you use Google or similar. -- Hoary (talk) 01:22, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! You can find your answer at Ice cube#Clear and cloudy. GoingBatty (talk) 03:53, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Privacy question

I would like to request removal/replacement of the name of a band member from a Wikipedia page of a music group, who is no longer using that name for privacy reasons and also attempts have been made to make all mentions of it removed from the internet. There are no proper citations for it, but currently the info is available in an archived version and the page is using this version as a citation.The said person has a pseudo name that he is using. I also don't want this info to be public. What would be the proper way to request this? I would be requesting this on the person's behalf, so these are his wishes. Brotherlouie1 (talk) 04:32, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Copy and Pasting Text from Website and Annual/Audit Reports of a charity

I saw a page of a charity I support on Wikipedia (Human Relief Foundation) and saw it had limited information on it. So, I added a section on Vision and Mission Statement from information available on its website and annual report submitted on the charity commission website. However, Wikipedia deleted it citing copyright issues. Question is: You can't rewrite an organization's vision/mission statements, you lose the essence. What should be the solution to this, please share your feedback. Thank you all! Reunderstandinghistory (talk) 06:44, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

You can add it as a quotation with attribution, but generally including a mission statement comes across as promotional. It is better to state in neutral prose what the organization actually does regardless of what the mission statement says. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:59, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

I agree that's a better idea. Thank you so much for your advice, it will help me to improve my contributions. Reunderstandinghistory (talk) 07:22, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

@Reunderstandinghistory: Welcome to the Teahouse. The encyclopedia primarily focuses on secondary, independent sources. While primary sourced-information can be used in some cases, taking it verbatim from a site runs afoul of copyright violations, unless the site uses an appropriate licence. The addition of such information can also come off as promotional, which is not what the encyclopedia is for. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:00, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

I think I will follow the advice given here by you two. Rather than copying and pasting texts, I would focus on rewriting to explain the work in own words and then cite references to back the statements. However, I still believe there should be some room in Wikipedia to mention texts such as vision and mission statements verbatim and should not classify doing this as 'promotional'. Reunderstandinghistory (talk) 07:25, 19 February 2023 (UTC)