Talk:Cow tipping

Cow Tipping suggestions

Under the pop culture page information about upcoming events on cow tipping could attract more viewers to the article. For example, The RH3C Cow Tipping Weekend 2017 is coming to Columbus, Ohio. The event will be help from 4/21 05:00pm to 4/23 12:00 pm at Magnuson Grand Columbus North. More information about the event can be found at https://hashrego.com/events/cow-tipping-weekend-2017

There is also a family run ice cream truck business called "Cow Tipping Creamery" in Austin and Dallas Texas. This information could be useful under the metaphor section for another example. More information about this business can be found at https://www.cowtippingcreamery.com/locations-1Sknightt2 (talk) 01:04, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

"Attract more viewers to the article" doesn't align with Wikipedia's goals.

For both the event and the business, if they are notable enough to merit an article on Wikipedia, then it would be appropriate to mention them. See WP:EVENT has inclusion criteria for events and WP:CORP has inclusion criteria for businesses. Otherwise there is no need to mention, or link to, the websites of non-notable events or businesses. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:15, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Why have an article available online if you don't want to attract more viewers? WP:5p2 WP:5p5Sknightt2 (talk) 16:29, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Not sure how you think advertising related events and products would "attract more viewers", but Wikipedia is not a company directory or listings magazine. If the Columbus event gets any press coverage after it's happened then it might be worth writing about to show how cow tipping has entered popular culture, but we shouldn't be advertising it in advance using only primary sources. --McGeddon (talk) 16:51, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

I am not trying to advertise, all I wanted to add was examples of cow tipping being a figure of speech. I just included the links to give some background on my examples. Sknightt2 (talk) 20:56, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

If you aren't trying to advertise, it's hard to tell, because you have twice stated an objective of "attract more viewers". Wikipedia doesn't need to attract more viewers, it's consistently in the top 10 world's most visited sites. And Wikipedia is the top Google search result for "cow tipping". Wikipedia attracts people wanting to add irrelevant links to increase their exposure. It's a constant battle to prevent and remove such linkspam. I'm not saying that was your purpose, but Wikipedia is never to be used as a publicity platform. Both of those links would be considered spam and quickly removed if they were added to the article.

I looked at both pages you suggested. They don't demonstrate (to me at least) that "cow tipping" is a figure of speech. Those sites are simply naming themselves after a well-known myth. In fact, those two pages don't even mention the phrase "cow tipping" anywhere except in the page title or URL. Rather than examples, we'd need a reliable source that discusses "cow tipping" as a figure of speech before we could mention it in the article. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:06, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

As far as its being used as a metaphor or figure of speech, this is touched on in the article. There are more examples, often from business: [1][2][3]. But I don't think the article would really be better by piling these on, and as Anachronist notes, linkspam/refspam are definitely a detriment. - Brianhe (talk) 23:22, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Popular culture honorable mentions

I don't know if this is enough for the main page, but I think the card "Friendly Bartender" in the game Hearthstone qualifies as a honorable mention. A cow/tauren bartender which emotes "Don't forget to tip your tauren." when summoned and "Bottoms up!" when attacking is hilarious. IMHO. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:470:71B1:A:FF:0:0:1 (talk) 15:50, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

sounds lovely! feel free to add it to the section. That also reminds me I should add mention to the Depths of Wikipedia account. - MountainKemono (talk) 13:35, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Animal husbandry edits

Kingofaces43 Regarding edit about musterers being able to knock over cows with horses or by hand from their tail. I completely understand the revert as it is unsourced but I feel like it's important information to have somewhere. I've searched for a source to validate information but it is something that is a somewhat common practice for rural farmers, at least here in Australia. I want a bit of guidance on where the rules lie as I feel it's a non-trivial piece of information to not have. The entire article makes it seem like it's not possible to tip over a cow without external tools but it's just not the case, we've done it just recently with some cows in late November and it was a single person taking them down (2 Santa Gertrudis cows). I completely understand the need for sourcing for content but I doubt you'd ever find a source for this despite it being a reality; so where do we sit as a community where we want to share information about the practice. Looking forward to your advice, cheers.

Mjohn425 (talk) 00:20, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Please know that WP:OR is policy here. We can't add unsourced information. Another core policy is WP:DUE. When you say it's difficult to find a source, that means we generally won't include the information even if it exists. It's basically the sources that need to say it's important, not editors. Kingofaces43 (talk) 00:43, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Is Cow Tipping Really an Urban Legend?

In 2010 I was touring North Carolina parks. Somewhere in the mountainous region I stopped at a small-town inn for gas and dinner. They had a pleasant homely restaurant there and, being Saturday night, the place was full of locals. When I was done and stepped out to my car, a bunch of young adult boys approached me. They proposed I join them for "cow tipping," as they were bored and had nothing to do. As a foreigner with no experience in these parts I had no idea what cow tipping is, so they explained it to me. They were quite disappointed when I excused myself, and I gather the rules of the game require a minimum participants.

Anyway, I at least learned what cow tipping is. But in light of this experience, is it not too rush to state in a Wikipedia article that cow tipping is an urban legend? Dov elyada (talk) 13:07, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

No. --Hob Gadling (talk) 18:09, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Alright, alright, I'll explain. Wikipedia is based on reliable sources and not on something some random person got told by other random people. They obviously wanted to fool you, and they were disappointed because they thought they had not succeeded. But they had, sort of. --Hob Gadling (talk) 18:15, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

'Missing' or 'offline' sources on wayback machine

Hey so I noticed in some of the archive pages that info was removed due to the source going offline. web.archive.org has snapshots of some of these sources.

Example: in Archive 1, there's a mention of a Dead BC link at the bottom of the page (http://www.zoology.ubc.ca/~biol438/Reports/CowTip.PDF) There is a snapshot of this pdf here, a month or 2 before the PDF was taken offline: https://web.archive.org/web/20050829105439/http://www.zoology.ubc.ca/~biol438/Reports/CowTip.PDF

I think we should fix/update some of the sources with this method.

108.36.220.94 (talk) 02:34, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Edit request

Change the caption of the second picture in the article to “ A healthy cow lying on its side is not immobilized; it can rise whenever it chooses.”.

Djdshausjshsh (talk) 06:22, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

References

 Done Actualcpscm (talk) 08:51, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure this should have been done. The request was to change the gender of the word "cow" from "her" to "it" which is probably incorrect. However, the entire article refers to all cattle as cows, which is also incorrect. ☆ Bri (talk) 15:21, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm also not sure this should have been done. The animal in the photo is clearly female, regardless of whether or not the word cow is intended to be used colloquially to mean cattle in general. --DB1729^talk 15:37, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I'd generally agree since I'm a stickler about using the term cow correctly, but this is also a case where animal gender really isn't pertinent to the specific to the topic the picture is addressing. If I'm talking about a monarch butterfly for instance and how its wings unfurl in a picture, I would use "it" regardless of whether it was a picture of a male or female even though gender is very obvious there. If the focus was on a function specific to male or females, then the gendered term would be appropriate. There could be an argument that using gendered terms might confuse readers into thinking it may be something specific to that gender.

In short, I'm honestly just kind of in a whatever camp on this one. "It" does seem to work better though, so I wouldn't be super inclined to change it back. KoA (talk) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Good point. Although it could be gender pertinent in a way if one assumes anyone attempting such a silly feat would at least have enough sense to try it on a cow, rather than an ornery bull:) --DB1729^talk 19:55, 30 June 2023 (UTC)