Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Apple Inc.

Macs being arbitrarily grouped together

The very-different 2006 MacBook Pro and 2019 MacBook Pro are both in MacBook Pro (Intel-based), while the 2020 MacBook Pro, which is almost identical to the 2019 model, is in a separate article, MacBook Pro (Apple silicon). That makes little sense to me, even after reading the discussions that resulted in the splits. Same with all other Mac articles that were split between Intel and Apple silicon.

Here's what I propose:

• Have MacBook Pro (for example) contain a summary of all models.
• If the section for a particular model gets too long, split that particular model. So, we'd have a Touch Bar MacBook Pro article, for example.
• This would be a more conventional (and natural) way to do these WP:SUMMARY-style splits. It would also be consistent with iMac G3, iMac G4, and with all iPhone and iPad models. And it's less arbitrary than cramming loosely-related models into Intel/Apple Silicon sub-articles.

No content would be lost; and the main articles would still contain an overview of the lineup's evolution. Each generation ("Unibody", "Retina", etc.) would simply get a top-level heading, rather than being subheadings under "Intel".

Pinging QuarioQuario54321, David Fuchs and Locke_Cole, who participated in an ongoing discussion about splitting Mac Mini, which is relevant to this proposal. DFlhb (talk) 06:25, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Do the sources particularly treat the Apple Silicon models as substantially different than their predecessors? If so, then even if the Apple Silicon model article is short, it makes sense to split. But the sources should be the guide here, I would add especially to how it's named; if sources aren't differentiating between the models using the nomenclature we are ("unibody", "Touch Bar" etc.) then we should adjust ours accordingly (I know you partially redressed this with the "generations" stuff in the preceding talk section, but something to keep in mind—for example, the "Magic keyboard" revision treated as its own model rev.)

At first blush, my main question is what are these subpages doing that the overarching pages (MacBook Pro) aren't? The parent article is only 24KB and the MacBook Pro (Intel-based) is 43KB, but frankly a lot of that seems to be going into excessive detail on minute hardware revisions, rather than focusing on the broad strokes in summary style (telling people the Kensington security slot moved is important? Really?) It feels like these subpages mostly exist for exhaustive technical charts rather than prose. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 13:22, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Well with no name change and with the Apple Silicon variants probably individually being referred to by Processor in the future we would need to split it up eventually, it'll grow as time goes on. QuarioQuario54321 (talk) 17:42, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Two categories up for discussion

Two categories are up for discussion:

• Category:macOS-only software (and link to the category's entry on the discussion page)

• Category:iPhone video game engines (and link to the category's entry on the discussion page)

For good measure, here's a link to the categorization guidelines. DFlhb (talk) 01:40, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:IPhone 6S#Requested move 3 May 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:IPhone 6S#Requested move 3 May 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – MaterialWorks 14:49, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for IOS 10

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"Wikipedia:" listed at Redirects for discussion

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B-class checklist

Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council#Proposal to change B-class checklist behaviour — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:59, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Articles about trivial features

I've just discovered a bunch of articles entirely dedicated to features found on Apple devices. If it's something like AirDrop or AirPlay, that's totally fine, but ... Control Center (Apple), Crash Detection, Dictionary (software), Family Sharing, Night Shift (software), Notification Center, SpringBoard, System Settings?? Come on, seriously? This is trivial WP:FANCRUFT; none of these articles should exist. The only plausible explanation I can think of for why they were even created in the first place is that the article creators were diehard Apple fans — but this is Wikipedia, not the Apple fan wiki. To quote {{Overly detailed}}, [These articles] contain an excessive amount of intricate detail that may interest only a particular audience. InfiniteNexus (talk) 05:59, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

And it appears Windows is suffering the same problem: Action Center, Feedback Hub, Get Help, Magnifier (Windows), Microsoft Messaging, Microsoft Tips, Snipping Tool, Windows Fax and Scan, Windows Mobility Center, Windows spotlight ... these are all WP:FANCRUFT that, like the Apple articles, fail WP:GNG and WP:SUSTAINED. InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:05, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

I agree on most, but I'd argue that Crash Detection is notable due to secondary coverage & relatively widespread criticism of its bugs. DFlhb (talk) 06:15, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@InfiniteNexus I also think it's worth considering merging the articles on iOS versions, and the various iPod touch models, and the iPad models, recombining the base-model iPhones with Pro models (like iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Pro), and undoing the splits into Intel/Apple silicon articles (see top of this talk page). DFlhb (talk) 10:18, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Determining the future of B-checklists

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Apple apps in need of articles

• iTunes U
  • An educational app unveiled in 2012 that came preinstalled, but was later discontinued in 2021. ([1][2][3])
• Journal
  • A journaling app set to come out alongside iOS 17.2, and announced with the release of iOS 17. ([4][5])

BhamBoi (talk) 00:32, 25 November 2023 (UTC)