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Why does this article say that she’s a Democrat if she supports conservative ideology?

Why does this article say that she’s a Democrat if she supports conservative ideology? 71.114.123.162 (talk) 08:03, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article says she left the Democratic Party. TFD (talk) 14:36, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can we get rid of the Conservative designation for someone who has a Liberal Ideology? ^[1] 23.122.176.75 (talk) 21:35, 23 January 2024 (UTC) ObviousGuy 14:36, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

She is both. People can be both. 176.223.172.2 (talk) 14:09, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lead section redundancies

There is mention in the first lead paragraph about her leaving the Democratic party and becoming an Independent as well as another mention of it in the final lead section paragraph. I am thinking about trying to consolidate it to just one occurrence/mention for the lead as it isn't really necessary for repeated information in the lead. Should be more concise. Any editors object or have any other thoughts on how to handle? I'm not thinking about removing all the content in the later mention but maybe just eliminating the fact it mentions she leaves the Democratic party in October 2022. Eruditess (talk) 21:10, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marking as

Done as a nice editor carried this request out. -Eruditess (talk) 17:32, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This sentence is poorly written and easily misunderstood...X:

"During her term of office, Gabbard successfully led opposition to, and protests of, a state bill that would have legalized same-sex civil unions,"

Change to something something like...Y:

During her term of office, Gabbard successfully led opposition and protests to a state bill that would have legalized same-sex civil unions. 2403:6200:8810:9F7E:6C73:5833:52F2:32C4 (talk) 00:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 01:14, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vegetarian not Vegan

Tulsi has described herself as Vegetarian, and not Vegan, as correctly reported by New Yorker and Indo-American https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/06/what-does-tulsi-gabbard-believe https://archive.ph/20121105052532/http://www.indoamerican-news.com/archives/12109 The NY Times article "Tulasi thinks we are doomed" claiming her as Vegan, was an article written in bad taste with an attacking negative tone, and potentially libelous claims, and does not mention primary source for "Vegan" claim.

Hence it is violation of WP:BLP to refer her as Vegan, when she has never called herself Vegan. It should be Vegetarian and not Vegan. I can provide more WP:RS sources for Vegetarian, if any editor wants. Thanks. RogerYg (talk) 10:33, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi User:Jonathan Deamer, I only want to replace Vegan with Vegetarian, to comply with WP:BLP. I don't have an issue with any other content for now. I was going to add Vegetarian with New Yorker reference, just before your revert. Thanks. RogerYg (talk) 10:36, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah I see, thanks for explaining RE: other content (ie. American Samoan)! And for the helpful New Yorker link.

Which bit of Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons specifically do you think this doesn't comply with? I don't think stating someone is vegan is contentious, especially when supported by an RS like NY Times.

To ensure NPOV, how about something like the following for the first couple of sentences of the personal life section?

Gabbard is an American Samoan from Hawaii. She is a surfer, and has been described variously as a vegan^[1] and vegetarian^[2]. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 10:50, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reliability of news outlets does not extend to analysis of news, per Wikipedia:NEWSORG. TFD (talk) 03:49, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Yorker: "She is also a vegetarian and a practicing Hindu—the first Hindu ever elected to Congress—as well as a lifelong surfer and an accomplished athlete." ^[3]

When I read through the cited links here on the talk page and I google "Tulsi Gabbard vegan", they all seem to fall under the same situation. The article labels her a vegan, but her actual quoted interview she calls herself vegetarian. She doesn't seem to refer to herself as a vegan. She just says she doesn't eat animals. Which might mean she drinks milk or uses leather. I suppose it doesn't really matter because we juts report what these sources say. However, I wouldn't mind if we stripped vegan from the lead. Eruditess (talk) 04:02, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with that. We need to replace Vegan with Vegetarian as per WP:BLP and WP:RS RogerYg (talk) 06:58, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Eruditess I couldn't find "vegan" in the lead, but if it's there I think it's fair to remove and keep coverage to the personal life section (especially given due weight, below).

@RogerYg Rather than replace, I suggest as per Wikipedia:Verifiability we include both: "If reliable sources disagree with each other, then maintain a neutral point of view and present what the various sources say, giving each side its due weight." On the basis of due weight, further to my suggestion above, perhaps something like "Gabbard is vegetarian, and also reported as being vegan." Jonathan Deamer (talk) 07:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, agree with the broad consensus, noting that as per WP:BLP self-reported info is Vegetarian, which should get priority, but we can mention Vegan too. RogerYg (talk) 07:15, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done RogerYg (talk) 07:46, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the helpful discussion and the resulting edit! Jonathan Deamer (talk) 07:55, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Bowles, Nellie (August 2, 2019). "Tulsi Gabbard Thinks We're Doomed". The New York Times. p. A1. Retrieved September 21, 2019. Ms. Gabbard … would be the first female president, the first American Samoan, the first from Hawaii, the first surfer, the first vegan.
^ Sanneh, Kelefa (2017-10-30). "What Does Tulsi Gabbard Believe?". The New Yorker. ISSN 0028-792X. Retrieved 2024-03-22.
^ Sanneh, Kelefa (October 30, 2017). "What Does Tulsi Gabbard Believe?". New Yorker. Archived from the original on June 7, 2020. Retrieved January 13, 2019.

I am happy with consensus, I suppose if the interviewer asked Gabbard if she was a vegan, and she responds without correcting them, then its probably accurate by omission. If that is such a thing. Eruditess (talk) 00:57, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

mother's religion

Regarding the revision of of 19:52, 2 March 2024, raising the issue as to whether Gabbard's mother was a practicing Hindu and if this was the reason for naming her daughter Tulsi, this story in Times of India states

She [Tulsi] inherited her interest in Hinduism from her parents, particularly her mother ...

supporting the claim that the mother gave her children Hindu names based on her own interest in the Hindu religion. Was the mother actually practicing Hindu from the date of birth of her first child? While giving her children Hindu names might suggest that, such a claim was not actually made. Fabrickator (talk) 07:25, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AGREE that it is relevant to mention her mother became interested in Hinduism and gave Hindu names to her children. And, it's supported by TOI & Indo-american sources, and broadly supported by New Yorker

NewYorker: Tulsi Gabbard’s name reflects the family’s pre-existing spiritual commitments. RogerYg (talk) 10:20, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Gabbard's mother becoming a practising Hindu is supported by multiple sources

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/20929142/the-gabbards-raising-hawaiis-next-political-star-5pm

https://www.pacificedgemagazine.com/leadership/who-is-tulsi-gabbard/ These were arbitrarily deleted without any discussion and need to be restored, though some details may be moved to "Personal Life" section. RogerYg (talk) 02:40, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done RogerYg (talk) 02:46, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@RogerYg: Thanks so much for picking up on this. I had actually had the talk page edits sitting in my browser cache since March 4 (obviously I got distracted and just never got back to it). And it's really great to have the issue resolved, with somebody else picking up the detail work! Fabrickator (talk) 05:32, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Misleading sentence about imigration

"Gabbard has expressed support for increased border security and voted with Republicans for vetting of Iraqi and Syrian refugees."

When I first read this, I interpreted is as saying that Gibbard went against her own party to support a Republican bill. But when I checked out the source, it turns out that this was a bipartican bill on which she voted yes along with 47 of her Democratic colleagues, and which only a small minority of her party opposed. I think this should be edited to avoid confusion. 2001:2020:C313:D2B8:0:0:56:B066 (talk) 13:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done, thank you for bringing this to the talk page. Eruditess (talk) 05:13, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I would remove Footnote 25 and put "source needed." Cited article about Trump's potential Vice Presidential Selections does not even mention Gabbard and s not a source to back up the assertion. 134.197.135.158 (talk) 05:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Statement removed. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 05:54, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should this be included?

A close relative has just died in a shooting.

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2024/06/01/prominent-gabbard-family-mourns-retired-uh-professor-writer-murdered-samoa/ 176.223.172.2 (talk) 14:10, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Only if it becomes relevant to her niece's biography. (I don't think it was a shooting btw.) TFD (talk) 23:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Misleading statement about ancestry/ethnicity

The article states: “Gabbard, who is of Samoan descent and 26% Southeast Asian”. However Gabbard herself has clarified repeatedly that she is of European and Samoan descent, with her parents being mostly European. The southeast asian reference relates to genetic studies showing that Samoans migrated from southeast Asia long in the past. This would be like saying an American native was of Chinese descent; perhaps technically true if considering ice age migration and genetic similarities, but completely misleading in regards to direct ancestry and cultural heritage. The statement is also redundant in that the southeast asian genetics refers to her Samoan heritage, and omits her majority European heritage. The statement should be changed to “Gabbard, who is of European and Samoan descent”. References could be updated to the 2012 Huffington Post article and/or campaign website where she clearly states her European and Samoan ancestry. 2601:600:8E00:666F:8C4D:40FA:39B7:A64F (talk) 06:58, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The category "Southeast Asian" in the genetic test included Samoans. The genealogical research found no Southeast Asian ancestry other than Samoans. We should therefore only mention European and Samoan ancestry.

This was discussed before btw. TFD (talk) 13:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Add a line at the end of the opening description about Tulsi that states that after identifying as an "Independent," she has now become a supporter of Donald Trump and is helping prepare him for the Presidential debates. 2603:7000:9340:DCFC:5052:4415:7D18:1722 (talk) 15:29, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. MadGuy7023 (talk) 16:01, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also note that the "Departure from the Democratic party" section goes into (well sourced) detail how she became a Trump supporter. It's just not necessarily worthy of the lead. --GRuban (talk) 16:34, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Frame of Reference

"Gabbard has taken more conservative positions on issues such as abortion, foreign policy, transgender rights, and border security."

I don't doubt that there are sources that can support this, however I am concerned that the statement doesn't accept the possibility that the opposite could be true. What if her positions have been quite consistent, but her former party moved away from them?

~~The wording is quite strongly critical, yet~~ it might not be that Gabbard actually changed her position much, given the political changes that have happened around her. SkepticNotCynic (talk) 20:13, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The wording of that sentence is factual. It is only critical if you dislike conservative positions and interpret it as criticism. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:36, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, @Muboshgu. I agree that my comment about the statement being critical was irrelevant to the main point, so I have applied a strikethrough to that part of the sentence.

Regarding the discussion, it seems reasonable to claim that Gabbard's positions align more with conservative views on some issues than with the current views of her former party. However:

Abortion: Abortion is not mentioned in the body of the article, yet the claim of a shift in position since January 2021 is in the lede. Gabbard's recent support for third-trimester restrictions does not represent a new conservative shift. For example she supported the "Born Alive" bill in 2020.
Foreign Policy: The Foreign Affairs section of the article does not support the idea that she changed positions since January 2021. Gabbard's critiques are consistent with her long-standing non-interventionist stance on foreign policy.
Transgender Rights: The "Protect Women's Sports Act" was introduced in 2020 as the article clearly states. Gabbard began her career supporting "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and has since moved towards supporting LGBT+ rights though not as far as her former party, particularly on issues like transwomen in sports.
Border Security: Gabbard has supported stronger border security measures for years, which aligns with her consistent approach rather than a shift in position since January 2021.

Her views seem to have remained quite consistent while the political landscape around her has shifted. It might be misleading to claim that she has recently adopted more conservative positions on these issues, a claim that the article as a whole does not seem to support. SkepticNotCynic (talk) 08:24, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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You have her listed as conservative. She is not conservative. She left the Democratic Party because she believes they are going to start a world nuclear war. She is in fact left of center and liberal on almost all her policies she supports. She should be changed from conservative to liberal or at least moderate. She is in no way conservative 2601:982:300:3100:F8A9:DA66:B16F:15E9 (talk) 12:14, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. MadGuy7023 (talk) 15:04, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] (74th percentile) GovTract.us

[2] Bowles, Nellie (August 2, 2019). "Tulsi Gabbard Thinks We're Doomed". The New York Times. p. A1. Retrieved September 21, 2019. Ms. Gabbard … would be the first female president, the first American Samoan, the first from Hawaii, the first surfer, the first vegan.

[3] Sanneh, Kelefa (2017-10-30). "What Does Tulsi Gabbard Believe?". The New Yorker. ISSN 0028-792X. Retrieved 2024-03-22.

[Sanneh-4] Sanneh, Kelefa (October 30, 2017). "What Does Tulsi Gabbard Believe?". New Yorker. Archived from the original on June 7, 2020. Retrieved January 13, 2019.

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