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::::We will not perpetuate ITN's British bias by putting this baseball stuff on ITN. Is there a cricket test somewhere in Sri Lanka or a rugby game in New Zealand we can post instead? [[User:Nutmegger|Nutmegger]] ([[User talk:Nutmegger|talk]]) 07:04, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
::::We will not perpetuate ITN's British bias by putting this baseball stuff on ITN. Is there a cricket test somewhere in Sri Lanka or a rugby game in New Zealand we can post instead? [[User:Nutmegger|Nutmegger]] ([[User talk:Nutmegger|talk]]) 07:04, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, there's [[Zimbabwean cricket team in Bangladesh in 2009–10|this]] and [[2009 Rugby League Four Nations|this]]. I'd say we add these two instead. Hideki Matsui is way too American anyway. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Howard</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">the</font>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Duck</font>]]''' 07:13, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, there's [[Zimbabwean cricket team in Bangladesh in 2009–10|this]] and [[2009 Rugby League Four Nations|this]]. I'd say we add these two instead. Hideki Matsui is way too American anyway. &ndash;'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Howard</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">the</font>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Duck</font>]]''' 07:13, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::To put a serious end to this particular sub-thread, actually several sports events recently, including the [[ICC Champions Trophy]] (a 20/20 cricket tourney), the [[NRL]] Rugby League Final, and the [[Super League Grand Final]] in rugby were not posted in ITN. Two of those events are listed on [[ITN/R]], but none were posted due to lack of suitable article updates (I think most were inadequately referenced and had limited prose text). I don't know if that represents any kind of trend. The World Series article, to its credit, appears thoroughly written up and referenced.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 15:57, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::To put a serious end to this particular sub-thread, actually several sports events recently, including the [[ICC Champions Trophy]] (a 20/20 cricket tourney), the [[NRL]] Rugby League Final, and the [[Super League Grand Final]] in rugby were not posted in ITN. Two of those events are listed on ITN/R, but none were posted due to lack of suitable article updates (I think most were inadequately referenced and had limited prose text). I don't know if that represents any kind of trend. The World Series article, to its credit, appears thoroughly written up and referenced. Personally, I'm not particularly bothered about posting the World Series--whatever. (unless the [[St Louis Cardinals|Cardinals]] win)--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 15:57, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. The Yankees always win. -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 04:54, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. The Yankees always win. -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 04:54, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
::Support per [[WP:ITNSPORTS]], but I am really ignorant when it comes to sports, someone will have to tell me if the article is properly updated. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 10:28, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
::Support per [[WP:ITNSPORTS]], but I am really ignorant when it comes to sports, someowine will have to tell me if the article is properly updated. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 10:28, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Support. I am completely confused by baseball but I think it has been updated sufficiently (each game has a good summary and the final result is mentioned). How about: "The [[New York Yankees]] defeat the [[Philadelphia Phillies]] 4–2 and win their 27th '''[[2009 World Series|World Series]]'''"? as it is customary to mention the score - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 10:36, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Support. I am completely confused by baseball but I think it has been updated sufficiently (each game has a good summary and the final result is mentioned). How about: "The [[New York Yankees]] defeat the [[Philadelphia Phillies]] 4–2 and win their 27th '''[[2009 World Series|World Series]]'''"? as it is customary to mention the score - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 10:36, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
::::It is customary to mention the score? Are you sure...? Posting anyway. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 10:39, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
::::It is customary to mention the score? Are you sure...? Posting anyway. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 10:39, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

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November 5

ITN candidates for November 5

The Yemeni Sa'ada insurgency spills into Saudi Arabia for the first time since erupting in 2004.--TheFEARgod (Ч) 15:09, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More diplomatic expulsions

It must be a hard time to be a diplomat. Further to the recent Fijian expulsions Morocco has expelled a diplomat from Sweden (BBC) and Thailand has recalled its ambassador from Cambodia. I am aware that we don't want to be flooding ITN with diplomatic news but maybe these are notable enough as well (certainly the second of the two might be) - Dumelow (talk) 13:20, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

World Series

Oppose. US sport, not British enough for ITN. We need more cricket stories. Rugby, too. Nutmegger (talk) 04:53, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ITNSPORTS. British irrelevant. Besides cricket and rugby are featured much more often than baseball. Grsz11 04:56, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I believe you missed some sarcasm. -CWY2190(talkcontributions) 05:44, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
We will not perpetuate ITN's British bias by putting this baseball stuff on ITN. Is there a cricket test somewhere in Sri Lanka or a rugby game in New Zealand we can post instead? Nutmegger (talk) 07:04, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, there's this and this. I'd say we add these two instead. Hideki Matsui is way too American anyway. –Howard the Duck 07:13, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
To put a serious end to this particular sub-thread, actually several sports events recently, including the ICC Champions Trophy (a 20/20 cricket tourney), the NRL Rugby League Final, and the Super League Grand Final in rugby were not posted in ITN. Two of those events are listed on ITN/R, but none were posted due to lack of suitable article updates (I think most were inadequately referenced and had limited prose text). I don't know if that represents any kind of trend. The World Series article, to its credit, appears thoroughly written up and referenced. Personally, I'm not particularly bothered about posting the World Series--whatever. (unless the Cardinals win)--Johnsemlak (talk) 15:57, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The Yankees always win. -SusanLesch (talk) 04:54, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:ITNSPORTS, but I am really ignorant when it comes to sports, someowine will have to tell me if the article is properly updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:28, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I am completely confused by baseball but I think it has been updated sufficiently (each game has a good summary and the final result is mentioned). How about: "The New York Yankees defeat the Philadelphia Phillies 4–2 and win their 27th World Series"? as it is customary to mention the score - Dumelow (talk) 10:36, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It is customary to mention the score? Are you sure...? Posting anyway. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:39, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I thought it was for all sport items. I must be misremembering - Dumelow (talk) 11:16, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Guess what. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:43, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
:-) It's a standard practice not to put results there. --Tone 12:55, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, definitely wrong! Thanks for correcting me - Dumelow (talk) 13:10, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

November 4

ITN candidates for November 4

This ship was boarded by the Israelis and was found to be carrying hand grenades, mortars and at least 3,000 missiles. Apparently originating in Iran and headed for Lebanon (via Syria) it is one of the biggest caches ever found by Israeli forces. (BBC) - Dumelow (talk) 13:17, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. According to AP, "the arms shipment was the largest Israel has ever seized", with Syria accusing the Israeli Navy of "piracy". --BorgQueen (talk) 14:00, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Twenty-two suspected CIA agents and an American military official are convicted in an Italian court of kidnapping Hassan Mustafa Osama Nasr (surveillance photo pictured) in 2003 in the first court case challenging the U.S. policy known as extraordinary rendition. [1] If consensus supports, I can update the article Imam rapito affair . --BorgQueen (talk) 17:16, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support rather important international incident. --UltraMagnusspeak 17:59, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support, seems important enough to me - Dumelow (talk) 19:32, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support, agree with the above. --candlewicke 21:05, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support, It seems to the first of it's kind, and also quite important one. Our Supreme court also had a surprise hearing of missing persons case Interior Ministry submits missing persons report to SC, which also comes just after when we had a hattrick of wins on same day. --yousaf465' 22:29, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support--Johnsemlak (talk) 03:32, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Updated. Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:47, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Single U.S. elections item

Oppose--Johnsemlak (talk) 15:47, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. There are somethings that cross the line. This is one of them.  Cargoking  talk  15:54, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

or alternatively

The United States holds local elections in various states. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simfan34 (talkcontribs) 15:06 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Local elections don't tend to get a mention.  Cargoking  talk  16:09, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose We have to consider this from a worldwide perspective, and from that the odd gubernatorial and congressional election (or equivalent) for any country isn't worth mentioning. Only fully national elections for the highest legislative or executive bodies, like the 2010 mid-term elections, are noted. HonouraryMix (talk) 18:07, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

November 3

ITN candidates for November 3

Oil leak plugged at last

Montara oil spill
Montara oil spill

You might remember this from the last time they tried to plug it. Apparently they have been successful this time, although they did manage to set fire to the rig somehow (BBC). The article is in good nick (Montara oil spill) and has had a bit of an update for the plugging. Possible blurb: "The source of the Montara oil spill (pictured) in the Timor Sea near Australia is plugged at the fifth attempt" - Dumelow (talk) 23:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Posting soon. I couldn't find the image in the given source, so am not going to use it. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:58, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The image page is here and the disclaimer for commons licensing is here. Unless anyone has any serious objections I am going to replace the Czech dude with the spill pic. It's not ofton that we have such great picture for ITN - Dumelow (talk) 17:36, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, go ahead. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:39, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Nevermind, I've done it myself. Thanks for the clarification. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:46, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Cheers, was just checking the procedure to make sure I got it right but I'll be ready for next time anyway! - Dumelow (talk) 17:51, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

-TouLouse (talk) 18:33, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. He was one of the intellectual giants of the last century. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:35, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Massive intellectual giant. IMO the equivalent of a Nobel Prize winner. One problem is the article is only updated by listing the date of his death. Not sure there will be that much more to add.--Johnsemlak (talk) 19:03, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think I have added enough. --candlewicke 21:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support, enough update. A blurb, please... --Tone 22:51, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Claude Lévi-Strauss, the innovator of modern anthropology, dies in Paris, age 100. --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 02:48, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Is there not a photo available?--Johnsemlak (talk) 03:31, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:34, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:43, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Czech president signs Lisbon Treaty

File:Vaclav Klaus headshot cropped.jpg

This means the treaty, one of the most important ones in the history of EU, is good to go. Nergaal (talk) 15:50, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, I was going to nominate it myself but you beat me to it. Support when updated. [2] --BorgQueen (talk) 15:54, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Suggested blurb: President of the Czech Republic Václav Klaus (pictured) signs the Treaty of Lisbon after it was upheld by the Constitutional Court, fulfilling the final step in its ratification. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:00, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Updated. Any objections? --BorgQueen (talk) 16:28, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:34, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support--Johnsemlak (talk) 17:43, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Came here to propose its addition, but I noticed it's already up! Good work and support. Jolly Ω Janner 18:07, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fiji expels NZ/Australian high commissioners

Frank Bainimarama, interirm prime minister and military leader of Fiji has expelled the High Commissioners (Commonwealth equivalent of ambassadors) of Australia and New Zealand from the country. He has also withdrawn his own High Commissioner from Australia. Bainimarama accused the Australian and NZ High Commissioners of misinforming "Canberra and Wellington and [waging] a negative campaign against the government and people of Fiji". They Australian and NZ governments already had travel bans in place against senior Fijian officials and were pressing for elections to be held next year. Seems like a fairly newsworthy story to me (I know we have had similar items in the past). Article for update is probably Foreign relations of Fiji - Dumelow (talk) 11:22, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support when updated. [3] --BorgQueen (talk) 11:27, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Following the Queen.--yousaf465' 15:13, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No update yet? --BorgQueen (talk) 15:37, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. --candlewicke 21:06, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Especially now that they have exchanged expulsions. --candlewicke 21:31, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The article isn't updated.--Johnsemlak (talk) 03:38, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just done an update (at last). Perhaps: "Fiji expels the High Commissioners of Australia and New Zealand in a row over travel bans on Fijian officials", I couldn't think of a way to get Australia and NZ reciprocating into the tagline - Dumelow (talk) 11:08, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
How about: Australia and New Zealand expel the High Commissioner of Fiji in retaliation for Fiji's expulsion of their High Commissioners, in a row over travel bans on Fijian officials. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:14, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately the Fijian diplomat in NZ was not a High Commissioner just an acting head of mission ([4]) so maybe that is not quite correct - Dumelow (talk) 11:50, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Alt: Australia and New Zealand expel Fijian diplomats in retaliation for Fiji's expulsion of their High Commissioners, in a row over travel bans on Fijian officials. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:14, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That works for me - Dumelow (talk) 13:09, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:40, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

November 2

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

ITN candidates for November 2

Another bombing, again a car explodes analysts are pointing their fingers away from Taliban.--yousaf465' 09:02, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support--Johnsemlak (talk) 15:32, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but the article could use some expansion and more in-text refs. SpencerT♦Nominate! 00:41, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
How do we feel about this one right now? This article seems adequate, though it could be expanded. The scale of the bombing would seem to warrant ITN inclusion.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:12, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The current revision seems to have a big chunk of copy vio in the reaction section - Dumelow (talk) 19:13, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I fixed that up a bit.--Johnsemlak (talk) 03:10, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. --candlewicke 21:19, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Proba-2 and Soil Moisture and Ocean Salinity satellite launch

The Proba-2 and Soil Moisture and Ocean Salinity satellite mission proposed by CESBIO for the ESA European Space Agency, scheduled for launch September 9 from Plesetsk.Russian Space Web SriMesh | talk 04:32, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delayed until November 2 so moved there - Dumelow (talk) 20:48, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support --UltraMagnusspeak 17:02, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
(BBC) It has launched. Article seems OK. Perhaps "The ESA launches the SMOS and Proba-2 satellites to monitor water and salinity on the earth and activity on the sun". The ESA isn't as kind as NASA, apparently, so there are no pics. I am not sure about how I have explained them, maybe there is a better way - Dumelow (talk) 09:25, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support as per WP:ITN/R.--Johnsemlak (talk) 15:33, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This is an ITN/R item (ITN/R includes "The launch of satellites, shuttles, and any space mission in general.") The article seems ok. What's the delay here?--Johnsemlak (talk) 17:48, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posting soon. You must understand that I am the only one admin working on a daily basis here and sometime I just feel so tired. Admins are not slaves. :-) --BorgQueen (talk) 17:56, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Understood :). Just making sure the item wasn't simply forgotten.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I'm a fan of spaceflight myself, but how does this rise to the level of belonging to ITN? It's just another observation satellite that doesn't do anything that hasn't already been done from space. --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 02:45, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fair point. However as I stated above the current ITN/R clearly says that satellite launches are to be posted in ITN. There might also be complaints if we post NASA stuff but not ESA or Russian launches. Perhaps we could suggest tweaking WP:ITN/R to exclude routine satellite launches.--Johnsemlak (talk) 03:19, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
SMOS is actually the most advanced satellite of its type, seems to put it a touch above "routine"--UltraMagnusspeak 18:26, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

November 1

ITN candidates for November 1

The world's largest cruise ship, Oasis of the Seas, has set sail for the first time, (PressTV). The article could use some work but otherwise I think this is a good candidate - Dumelow (talk) 10:21, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just uploaded a picture to the article which might be useful if this gets support, I will see if I can expand and improve the article later - Dumelow (talk) 10:34, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral it is big, but, it is just a boat --UltraMagnusspeak 10:37, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment didn't it set sailed a few days back ? --yousaf465' 11:05, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, forgot to mention it set sail on October 30. This still makes it newer than all but one of the current ITN items though (shares same date with ICANN story) - Dumelow (talk) 11:40, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It is the world's largest passenger boat so I'd say that's pretty notable. Support.--Johnsemlak (talk) 11:53, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Five times bigger than the Titanic; gets my support. It seems mundane, but it's a landmark. Master of Puppets 21:06, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support was fortunate to go on the Independence of the Seas and anything that's bigger than that definately deserves a spot on ITN, plus we need some more news. The box is getting a bit small on the Main Page. Jolly Ω Janner 22:52, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
MS Oasis of the Seas
MS Oasis of the Seas
Sorry I have had no time to update. As a possible blurb, though, how about: "The world's largest passenger ship, Oasis of the Seas (pictured), sets sail for the first time"? - Dumelow (talk) 23:17, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:46, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Abdullah pulls out of Afghan vote

He has announced his boycott Geo Tv. --yousaf465' 11:07, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Afghan Presidential candidate Abdullah Abdullah has pulled out of the run-off election versus Hamid Karzai over concerns over the independence of the Independent Election Commission.

I was thinking about this one. We normally include head of state election results so this seems like a worthy item. Would it be possible to report Karzai as the winner of the Afghan election and to include Abdullah's pulling out in the blurb?--Johnsemlak (talk) 11:32, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
(BBC) Apparently there is still some confusion over whether the run-off will still go ahead anyway. Hopefully it will be cleared up soon - Dumelow (talk) 22:20, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I would say hold off until it is said if there will still be a run-off. If there is, wait until the results confirm Karzai has won and include that Abdullah questioned its fairness. If there isn't going to be one, run it the same way whenever we find out. Something like:
"Hamid Karzai wins a run-off election in Afghanistan to earn a second term as President after opponent Abdullah Abdullah pulled out citing concerns about the political independence of the Indepentent Election Commission." Grsz11 22:40, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well I think we should wait for the confusion to clear.--yousaf465' 04:09, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"Afghan officials on Monday canceled plans for a runoff presidential vote, declaring President Hamid Karzai the winner after the withdrawal on Sunday of his last remaining challenger, Abdullah Abdullah." [5] Can someone update the article Afghan presidential election, 2009? --BorgQueen (talk) 14:58, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Grsz11 15:20, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like this election now has a result, though given the volatility there certainly may more twists and turns.--Johnsemlak (talk) 15:37, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:02, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
As per a comment made on the Talk:Main_Page, is there a way to add one or two words to the blurb indicating the disputed nature of the election? Sorry for not having a particular solution but something along the lines of '...wins a disputed election...'. As was pointed out, the blurb isn't a neutral summary of the articles linked to.--Johnsemlak (talk) 04:01, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

October 31

ITN candidates for October 31

Obama lifts America's HIV ban—HIV/AIDS in the United States

This has been welcomed around the world. "The Global AIDS Alliance welcomes President Obama's announcement today to lift the 22 year-old U.S. travel and immigration ban on those living with HIV/AIDS". Obama said: "22 years ago, in a decision rooted in fear rather than fact, the United States instituted a travel ban on entry into the country for people living with HIV/AIDS". "No major international AIDS conference has been held in the US since 1993, because HIV-positive activists and researchers were not able to enter the country". It doesn't seem to be happening until next year though... --candlewicke 16:00, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is this the article? If so, I will support when slightly expanded.  Cargoking  talk  16:12, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, Ryan White Care Act, reauthorized by Mr. Obama on the same day, has nothing to do with the travel/immigration ban. It appears that the article HIV/AIDS in the United States needs to be updated, in particular this section. Support when updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:45, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, Not really notable on an international stage --UltraMagnusspeak 17:20, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose--It's basically the US changing a law. It has international ramifications obviously as it affects travel to the US but does that make it notable?--Johnsemlak (talk) 19:54, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose--Thousands of laws are changed each year so i dont see what makes this one so special that it has to go up on ITN, esspecially when you compare it with other news stories of today such as TY Mirinae.Jason Rees (talk) 19:59, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, wasn't expecting so much opposition... well some major law changes in countries have featured on ITN in the past including, for example, this example from last month. This is a fairly significant law change for any country (particularly after 22 years) and I would have thought its international effects obvious since anyone with HIV/AIDS is apparently not allowed to enter the United States? --candlewicke 00:46, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Though the U.S. is obviously an important and influential country, this is exactly the kind of news which feeds the argument that ITN is too America-centric especially since other important countries are also repealing the law while others are maintaining it. Nirvana888 (talk) 02:35, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Which countries? It would be interesting to know... I wasn't very aware that people with HIV/AIDS had such restrictions placed upon them... --candlewicke 03:03, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
To name a few: South Korea, China and Ukraine. See [6]. I do agree that this is an interesting piece of news though. Nirvana888 (talk) 03:35, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I would think that the law being changed in these countries would be equally worthy of the Main Page... --candlewicke 04:34, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Russia also restricts entry for people with HIV/AIDS. I find it hard to believe that if Russia, Ukraine, or S Korea dropped such a restriction it would even be discussed here. I would say the US (and maybe China) is more notable here because more people travel to the US. But this isn't ITN material.--Johnsemlak (talk) 05:13, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well it takes somebody to notice it and nominate it... --candlewicke 06:03, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

October 30

ITN candidates for October 30

Question Time British National Party controversy (take 2)

Oppose. I know you put a lot of effort into this article, but on an international stage this is even less notable than your previous nom.  Cargoking  talk  09:52, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support. Things that are really only news in one country get covered here frequently, such as American Football and US politics --UltraMagnusspeak 20:53, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It is at DYK now anyway, so presumably that's that? (I know it is the other way). MickMacNee (talk) 21:10, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

UK Youth Parliament House of Commons debates

Leaning towards oppose. Only debates occurred. If the Youth Parliament enacted any major laws, I would be more than willing to support, but just usage (even though there is controversy and it's the first time) causes me to lean towards oppose. SpencerT♦Nominate! 03:24, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Non-Latin internet

ICANN has voted to allow domain names to be registered in non-latin (eg Arabic, Chinese) scripts. This seems pretty important as apparently more than half of internet users speak a non-latin language (BBC). Relevant rticle seems to be at Internationalized domain name - Dumelow (talk) 15:51, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support when updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:55, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Big news. --Tone 16:18, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support.  Cargoking  talk  16:22, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:51, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support This is massive news. --Johnsemlak (talk) 20:17, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"The Internet regulator ICANN approves plans to allow Unicode TLDs for the first time." Amazing. A stab at a blurb. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:37, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Big news Support.--yousaf465' 03:57, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Update is a bit short... Can someone expand it a little further? --BorgQueen (talk) 04:00, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Added a section. I don't know the history and hope (expect) that it will be fixed. -SusanLesch (talk) 04:34, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Nice work, Susan! Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:58, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah great work Susan, I was considering updating it myself but realised that I didn't know enough about computers or the internet to make sense of what was actually going on! - Dumelow (talk) 11:28, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There's two of us! User:Kbrose took one look and fixed it all up so I passed on the ITN notification. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:18, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hm, the wording doesn't give me the immediate impact of the event until I read the actual article...I can't think of an alternate wording, but perhaps mentioning something about how now non-Latin scripts can be included on the end? SpencerT♦Nominate! 03:33, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the current wording is quite cryptic to a layperson. It would be better if we mentioned non-Latin scripts but not sure how exactly—Does anyone have suggestions? --BorgQueen (talk) 05:35, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, the key to this item's notability is the use of non-Latin scripts in web addresses. The current blurb may say that but is incomprehensible to non-geeks.--Johnsemlak (talk) 05:52, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Tweaked. How is it now? --BorgQueen (talk) 06:28, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Can we add a mention of Cyrillic script along with Chinese and Arabic? I'd say take out the 'for the first time' bit and add '(eg Arabic, Chinese, Cyrillic)'. Makes it more clearly notable.--Johnsemlak (talk) 06:53, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If we do that people will ask why we do not mention Hebrew, Japanese, Thai, et cetera, accusing us of having pro-[name anything] bias. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:52, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ah probably true. Still, mentioning some affected scripts would make it seem far more relevant than saying simply 'non-Latin'.--Johnsemlak (talk) 08:09, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It has been reverted by User:RockMFR. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:44, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Great. Now we've gone from having a headline relevant to billions of people worldwide to a headline relevant only to people with PhDs in Geekery. What was wrong with it before?--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:30, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest you ask the question on his talkpage. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:32, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done--Johnsemlak (talk) 19:16, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The blurb was horribly incorrect. Seems the trend these days is to just put lies on the Main Page. — RockMFR 20:36, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think you may state something like this: "ICANN approved that nations and territories may apply for the first time to obtain top-level domains scripted in their native-language alphabets." I think this would make sense to many more readers. Kbrose (talk) 21:58, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The BBC article sourced begins with the following: The internet regulator has approved plans to allow non-Latin-script web addresses. Why can't we say something similar? What's 'horribly wrong' about it? It's certainly not a lie.--Johnsemlak (talk) 22:46, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That is clearly wrong. ICANN is not a regulator, and non-Latin web addresses in general are already allowed in some of the existing domains. The news here is that a country may now obtain a scripted TOP-LEVEL domain. Kbrose (talk) 22:53, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK, something like "ICANN has approved that nations and territories may apply to obtain top-level domains in unicode, allowing non-Latin scripts to be used."--Johnsemlak (talk) 23:21, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Most people don't know what unicode is, keep it simple. Kbrose (talk) 23:35, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with that completely. I suggest we go with Kbrose's blurb.--Johnsemlak (talk) 23:42, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
How about "ICANN allows nations and territories to apply for top-level domains scripted in their native-language alphabets"? GreenGourd (talk) 00:23, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:36, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Looks OK now. I think it may be about as good as we can get it in terms of emphasising notability, making it clear, and being technically correct. It certainly is understandable that at Wikipedia we want to be more accurate on web-related details than mainstream news outlets.--Johnsemlak (talk) 15:13, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Only thing that needs fixing is the capitalization of Internet, we do consider it a proper noun and capitalize it everywhere on WP, as is the custom in all of the standards bodies that define the Internet. Kbrose (talk) 18:03, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:11, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

BP fine

The US Occupational Safety and Health Administration levies a record $87 million fine on BP for failing to make improvements to its Texas City Refinery following the 2005 Texas City Disaster. (BBC) - Dumelow (talk) 15:55, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In what way is it a record fine? I couldn't find this incident in either the BP or the refinery articles. Tending towards oppose. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:56, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It is the largest fine ever levied by the OSHA. I guess as it was announced today it hasn't made it into any articles yet but they can always be updated - Dumelow (talk) 17:41, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

October 29

ITN candidates for October 29

Crimes—"worst in existence"

"The conviction was the first under a Canadian war crimes law introduced nine years ago and followed an unusually complex two-year trial that involved hearings in Africa and in Europe." Support when updated; the article is at Désiré Munyaneza. --BorgQueen (talk) 23:29, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support but update please.--yousaf465' 04:23, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Rwandan Désiré Munyaneza is sentenced to life imprisonment for genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes at his trial in Montreal. --candlewicke 03:01, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:20, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mongolia's Prime Minister resigns

Support when the article expanded (as it is quite short) and updated further.  Cargoking  talk  21:09, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Bayar with President Dmitry Medvedev of Russia in Ulan Bator in August 2009
Bayar with President Dmitry Medvedev of Russia in Ulan Bator in August 2009
Sanjaagiin Bayar, (pictured) Prime Minister of Mongolia, resigns for health reasons. --candlewicke 01:02, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:04, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Guinea sanctions

Moussa Dadis Camara
Moussa Dadis Camara
The African Union and the United States impose a travel ban on Guinea's military junta leader Moussa Dadis Camara and 41 members of the junta. [9] Support when the article Moussa Dadis Camara is updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:27, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Updated. The EU has also done the same. --candlewicke 01:24, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:07, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Trade Deal

Curry Kills Cancer