Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2014 March 12

12 March 2014

Beer Auction Game (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore)

I believe administrator is not applying properly wiki guidelines. The discussion on his talk page show this in my eyes.

Overview of Discussion on NawlinWiki (talk):

Permit me to disagree on the Speedy Deletion of the Beer Auction Game. You refer to A7, which explicitly excludes educational institutions when using A7. I therefore would like to state that you used A7 incorrectly for Speedy Deletion of a University content output. Also I disagree to Speedy Deletion which would not have been the proper way anyway in this context.

Therefore please reinstateBmwtroll (talk) 14:17, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

I could have also tagged it under category a11, something recently made up. Before I reinstate for what would almost certainly be a deletion at AFD, do you have any reliable independent sources that show the notability of this game? NawlinWiki (talk) 14:28, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

without being to harsh, I understand what you say, but a quick excuse that you did not pay attention to the educational institution issue in A7 would have been a nice sign as well. Now you bring A11 and later in your sentence you talk about proven sources about notability. A11 has nothing to do with notability but only significance or importance (clearly either of them). Notability is explicitly put at a higher level. Why are you bringing in levels personally which are not in the guidelines? When you look at Wikipedia:Credible claim of significance and read 1-6 it contradicts what you are writing. Therefore please reinstate Bmwtroll (talk) 14:46, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Not without sources other than the school that created this game. NawlinWiki (talk) 14:53, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

A7 does not apply and A11 does not require sources. Nevertheless two separate sources have been included from the very beginning at the bottom. Permit me to say, I still believe this is acting outside the boundaries of Wiki rules. Please reinstate and still you can propose it for deletion in the proper way where I believe your arguments do not hold up Bmwtroll (talk) 15:03, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

The first source is a blog (yours?) that describes the game. The second is the university's own site. Neither satisfies WP:V. NawlinWiki (talk) 15:05, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

The first Website is a cooperate website of a 500 Mio. Euro company with an editorial desk where such topics are regularly published. And yes, certainly I have access to this company. But it passes the editorial desk. Nevertheless this does not justify that you apply A7 and A11 incorrectly in my eyes. So please give a final yes or no to my original request - Please reinstate and still you can propose it for deletion in the proper way where I believe your arguments do not hold up - so I can place my complaint through the alternative channels Bmwtroll (talk) 15:15, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Not going to reinstate. Try Wikipedia:Deletion review. NawlinWiki (talk) 15:16, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Bmwtroll (talk) 15:40, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

• It's a downloadable game (thus subject to category a7, regarding web content), created in 2014. The two sources cited were a blog entry that the article author apparently wrote (see above) and the website of the university that developed the game. There's no assertion of notability per a7, and no citation of independent or reliable sources per WP:V. NawlinWiki (talk) 15:43, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
  • A7 does not apply to educational institutions and its output. It is an academic topic similar to Beer distribution game by the MIT. So the argument of application of A7 does not hold. Additionally, although not required the university should hold as a either independent or reliable source. Additionally the publication on the second source PowerGuru with editorial desk of a large multi-national should also be evaluated. For the rest, consider original discussion because: all is said, but not by all Bmwtroll (talk) 15:55, 12 March 2014 (UTC)