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How is Domari related to Romani, Panjabi & Rajasthani??

I know Romani is greatly related to both Panjabi & Rajasthani as some of the words within Romani are unique to the Panjabi language and are not spoken in any of the other Hindi based languages. The same is with the Rajasthani language and also the masculine words in Romani end with an 'o' which is also exclusive to Rajasthani.

Domari as far as I can see does not share these same comparisons and also does not have the Rajasthani 'o' on the end of masculine words but has 'a' like all other Hindi based languages.

I've read that Domari has three genders which are masculine, feminine and neutral unlike Romani, Panjabi and Rajasthani which are all double gender (masculine and feminine). Apparently the triple gender in Indian languages dates to pre-1000ad where around 1000ad a change to double gender took place.

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Evidence that Dom and Romani people are not related

The Romani language is from a much later time period of India than that of the Domari original source. The Romani language is very much a Rajasthani language that has gone through Panjabi regional changes. The Domari language is from a different origin to Romani and is more Hindi based.

I will give example

        ENGLISH         ROMANI          PANJABI          HINDI          DOMARI
        Brother         Phral / Phal*   Phra / Pha (ji)  Bhai           Bharos 
        Sister          Phen            Phen             Bhen           Bhenos
        Horse           Khuro           Khora            Ghora          Ghoryos
        There           Ote             Ote              Udhar          Hundar

        * The English Roms gave the English the word 'Pal' for friend.

In addition to this Romani uses the Rajasthani / Rajputi mascaline 'o' at the end of words whereas Domari like most other Hindi styled languages use the normal 'a'.

e.g.

        ENGLISH          ROMANI          RAJASTHANI         
        Uncle            Kako            Kako           (Domari = Mamun)
        Fat man          Thulo           Thelo
        Hot              Tato            Tato
        Infant boy       Tikno           Tingar
        My               Miro            Mero           (Domari = Mura, Hindi = Mera)
        Dirty / greasy   Chikno          Chikano  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.96.254.123 (talk) 16:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

you seem to be right. SIL classifies Domari (rmt) as separate from Romani (rmy etc.), but it includes both in the Central group. SIL's phylogeny however isn't usually to be trusted to be correct on the finer points. --dab (𒁳) 16:38, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Romani shouldn't even be compared to Domari but Persian should be

All the latest research into the Indian origin of the Romani and Domari languages has now proven the two are from completely different Indian regional languages. Romani is mostly Rajasthani with unique words found only in Rajasthani. It also has a few words unique to the Panjabi language. Romani uses Rajasthani grammar such as an 'o' on the end of masculine words unlike Domari which is the an 'a' instead. Most Hindustani languages of India use an 'a' meaning that Rajathani and Romani are unique from the majority. To support the Rajasthani origin of Romani is that the majority of words in Romani are also in Rajasthani. Some words are even unique to Rajasthani.

Information that does need to considered in discussing the languages is the Persian language. The Persian Empire had a significant influence on North West India for various times during Indian history. The Domba /Dom People after leaving India it would appear lived as a part of the Persian empire for many years.

Persian

1 = Yak 2 = Du 3 = Seh 4 = Cahar / Char 5 = Panj 6 = Shesh 7 = Haft 8 = Hasht 9 = Noh 10 = Dah 100 = Sad

We should also compare Sanskrit as Domari, Romani and Lomavren would be from an older India that would have had a much greater Sanskrit influence than modern day languages such as Hindi.

i.e. the Sanskrit for three: त्रयः, तिस्रः, त्रीणि trayaH, tisraH, triiNi

The chart alone leads the reader to believe that Romani is very much like Domari yet the Indian origins are not. This draws to a conclusion that Romani and Domari are from a common source.

The spelling of Romani to be the same as Domari yet being different to Hindi is again misleading. Romani often spell their number five as Panj, Panch or Pansh. Infact the English word 'punch' comes from the English Romani word for five.

When studying Romani then Greek should also be considered. It seems that when the Romani left India and hastily arrive in Greek and Armenian speaking Asia Minor (Turkey), they spent a considerable amount of time there before entering into Europe.

Greek

1 = Hen 2 = Duo 3 = Treis 4 = Tettares 5 = Pente 6 = Hex 7 = Hepta 8 = Okto 9 = Ennea 10 = Deka 100 = Hekaton

Tsigano (talk) 22:29, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Domari - A language of Iran

Check this source information: "Domari - A language of Iran

Population :1,340,000 in Iran (2000). from http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=rmt

Therefore it is clearly that Domari is spoken in Iran.

And Zargari Romani - "spoken in Zargar region (Abyek district) of the Qazvin Province of in Iran. They could be found in Afghanistan and Pakistan as well."

Oceanlovejjj (talk) 21:23, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't think this article makes much sense. It doesn't make sense to lump all "gypsies" in Western Asia into one category, just because it happens to be like that in Europe. For example, I don't think that "gypsies" in Iran have much to do with the other "gypsies", since they had basically no contact after most wandered westwards. "Gypsies" in Iran are not called Domari or Dom, they are called "Koli". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.233.35.210 (talk) 02:18, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Central or Western Indo-Aryan?

This article frequently states that both Domari and Romani are central Indo-Aryan languages; however, there seems to be considerable debate in the literature over whether Romani and Domari belong to the central, western or north-western subgroups of Indo-Aryan. I feel more clarification over the disputed classification of these languages should be mentioned in this article perhaps - Averkf (talk) 15:23, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]