Talk:Abduwali Muse

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I removed the statement in the introduction that he is a pirate, since that violates the Wikipedia policy on biographies of living persons. It also interferes with his right to a fair trial in U.S. federal court, if Wikipedia says he is guilty ahead of time. Edison (talk) 22:38, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article Name

This article should be merged into Abduwali Abdukhadir Muse, which is the name the media is now using for the alleged pirate. This NY Times articles states that the name initially used by the media for the alleged pirate was inaccurate. Kevin143 (talk) 01:51, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kevin placed {{mergeto}} and {{mergefrom}} tags on this article, and on Abduwali Abdukhadir Muse. I responded to this suggestion on Talk:Abduwali Abdukhadir Muse.

I am not really an expert on how Arabic names work. But I know enough to know we probably don't have his name -- or the name of his father correct. The MSM is reporting his father is named: "Abdiqadir Muse". Note that this is subset of four of the six names we have for the youth. Many people who follow European naming schemes are confused as to whether Arabic speaking people use European inheritable surnames. They don't. Sons do use one of their father's names. Sons use their father's first name as a kind of last name. But it is not a surname. Every generation in a family has a different last name.

If his father was really named Abdulqadir Muse, and the youth's given name was Abdulwali, then his name would be Abdulwali Abdulqadir. Muse may not really be part of what we would consider his name at all. It may specify his tribal affiliation, or the geographic region he is from.

I regard this as a further reason to hold off on renaming the article until his real name is authoritatively established. Geo Swan (talk) 05:42, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This FBI press release uses the name Abduwali Abdukhadir Muse. Since that is the name he is being prosecuted under, it has presumably become his real name, whether or not it is truly accurate. http://newyork.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel09/nyfo042109.htm Kevin143 (talk) 08:03, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the article on Mohamud Muse Hersi (Template:Lang-so, Template:Lang-ar) to see one way to handle this. I would recommend keeping the name as is, with a list of alternate spellings, until this issue is sorted out in the news and the courts. Pustelnik (talk) 10:52, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Piracy trials in the U.S.

The Guardian is wrong, as there was a much more recent trial in Hawaii. Pustelnik (talk) 11:16, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WoT detainees infobox

Terrorism as defined by consensus in the article includes the criteria that the acts were "perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a materialistic goal or a lone attack)". There should be no reason why individuals should include the terrorism infobox on this page since he is obviously not a terrorist. There is a pirate infobox template and infobox templates for criminals. There is no reason to use the one for terrorists. 69.68.238.142 (talk) 20:57, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]