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As of October 14, 2009 I made several edits to the article:

  • Moved mention of the other notable person with the same name to the top of the article, since this other person's work is not "other work" by the co-creator of NLP.
  • Moved "contributions" section (of only one line) into the co-creation of NLP section.
  • Added a biographical line indicating Bandler's career continuing to promote NLP and related concepts.
  • Left in the mention of the dollar amount of Bandler's initial success, but removed the "opulent lifestyle" comment. A lawsuit about this amount of money in a business venture is understandable, while "opulent lifestyle" is editorializing and irrelevant.
  • Added an explanation that Bandler's reference to "technologies" in NLP refers to concepts and techniques.
  • Added a one line summary of NLP.
  • For claims only presented in the Mother Jones article, grouped them together and indicated their source in the article. If multiple notable sources support these claims, only then would it be encyclopedic to sprinkle those references throughout the Wikipedia article. Absence of a lawsuit is not proof that claims from uncited sources are valid.
  • Removed claim of "very recent Bandler at his funniest" from seminar audio listing

I also edited this talk page:

  • Removed discussion of Bandler's honorary doctorate since it is not referenced in the article. If citations in context from multiple NLP and Bandler works indicate his use of the term Dr., and a citation can be found to the honorary doctorate, only then would it be encyclopedic to mention those points in Wikipedia.
  • Removed all material by or about the opinions of Flavius, except for comment about potential influences on the formation of NLP, as these comments are now four years old and seem to have resulted in a user ban of Flavius from this article.
  • Removed discussion about inclusion of marketing material for Bandler or NLP in general, since all such material was already gone from the article before I arrived.
  • Removed the discussion about whether or not NLP is scientific, because that is not relevant to the biography of Bandler, although it would be apropros for an article about NLP rather than its co-creator.
  • I agree that further discussion of the influences upon NLP's creation would be interesting, but I question whether the Bandler biography, rather than an overall history of NLP article, is the appropriate location.
  • Added the request for the book section to be consistently formatted.

Book listing is inconsistently formatted

The listing of Bandler's books includes multiple, inconsistent formatting styles for the book references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.193.12.228 (talk) 03:02, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Incomplete discussion of influences on the creation of NLP

Perhaps more can be added regarding Bandler's influences eg. Robert Anton Wilson, Aleister Crowley, Timothy Leary, Moshe Felendekrais. Also, Frank Farelly and Moshe Felendehrais did not appear to influence any of the work jointly undertaken by Bandler and Grinder. flavius 05:22, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bandler's co-creator of NLP, John Grinder, provided an extensive discussion of his own influences and his recollection of the collaborative process of creating NLP, in Grinder's 2001 book Whispering in the Wind. In the book, Grinder states, "I invite Bandler to explicate his own experience in this matter," however as of 2009 Bandler's work has been about Bandler's newer extensions of NLP rather than a retrospective look at NLP's creation process and influences. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.193.12.228 (talk) 05:23, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Murder Case

I've added a section with significant details. Every fact is cited and verifiable. I did not use the Mother Jones article when writing it. Yakuman 23:08, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The version of the article I found in October 2009 seemed to be primarily based on the Mother Jones article. I wrote a brief summary paragraph of the facts of the case obtainable in the public record, and the allegations from the Mother Jones article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.193.12.228 (talk) 02:21, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Audio and Video Publications

I added two sections - Audio Publications, and Video Publications. I refrained from adding much under the selections for now because there are so many. Some of Bandler's most notable publications have been in audio or video format only, so they are as worthy of being mentioned as the books. However, there are so many in terms of quantity that a full listing would probably be too much. Also, many of them are fairly redundant with others. For this reason, I think the goal should be a summary of publications that is representative of various ideas and stages of his career.Romperroom

Users blocked from editing this article

209.218.163.2 is removing from the Bandler article material that puts Bandler in a poor light, such as the "Mother Jones" article. We hear of 20 minutes but no proof whatsoever is produced showing that Bandler is innocent. The smell of lemon on Bandler's gun is not mentioned. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.143.6.89 (talk) 11:16, 20 March 2007 (UTC). 209.218.163.2 has now been blocked.[reply]

209.218.163.2 seems to have been blocked permanently.
209.218.163.2 has been blocked again.

This post is just for the record in case anyone here has had issues with the named editor or others editing similarly. The following editors are as of June 5 2006, blocked indefinitely under any name:

  • Finally, "Flavius vanillus (talk · contribs)" was also blocked, for breach of multiple policies (not a sock of HeadleyDown, but repeated major conduct and editorship issues)

It is not confirmed whether other editors are also in the same sockpuppet/meatpuppet group. They may be. It may also help to be alert in general, to new editors and repeat behavior. Reversion of heavy duty POV editing and forged cites added over many months (back to May 2005) has been needed in cleaning up that article.

Please see Talk:Neuro-linguistic programming for more, including summary of reasons and behaviors related to this.

Formal ban and block documentation at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Neuro-linguistic_programming#Documentation_of_bans.

FT2 (Talk) 14:02, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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