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WW2 mention in the article header

I'm all for moving on, but the current mention of WW2 in the article header is absolutely feeble: "The establishment of the Third Reich in 1933 eventually led to World War II and the Holocaust". This makes it sound like the events of 1939-1945 were something that just so happened to happen to Germany. In linguistic terms, there is absolutely no agent in that sentence, and that seems more than a little bit political to me. I propose, as a balanced and thorough alternative: "Between 1933 and 1945, Germany was led by the Nazi Party. Nazi Germany invaded and occupied much of Europe, sparking World War II, and undertook a programme of organised genocide against a number of groups, most prominently the Jews, which has come to be known as the Holocaust." 60.242.48.18 (talk) 12:10, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Done I did edit the wording on your first sentence so we wouldn't loose the link to Machtergreifung. TrueCRaysball | ^#RaysUp 08:55, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, that is far better.Monopoly31121993 (talk) 14:53, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Even better, in my opinion, would be "Between 1933 and 1945, Germany was led by the Nazi Party. Nazi Germany invaded and occupied parts of Europe, sparking World War II and the Holocaust." This would both solve the problem first presented while not expanding too much on a 12 year period. However, those 12 years had an enormous influence on the history of Germany (and of the rest of Europe and the World (Cold War, East and West Germany, ..., anyone??). As such this small expansion seems justified. 206.248.158.23 (talk) 23:11, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

EDIT: If it wasn't clear enough, the text to be replaced is the same as above, that is: "The establishment of the Third Reich in 1933 eventually led to World War II and the Holocaust" 206.248.158.23 (talk) 00:43, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

This is neither the article about WW2 and neither the article about the Third Reich and neither the article about the Holocaust. Right now History related content occupies almost 3 out 5 paragraphs of the introduction. This about the same length like the whole History of Germany part (with the several subparts) is occupying in the whole article. Right now the History info in the introduction represents more than 2000 years. I can´t see the relevance to expand the content of a 12 year period. I want to keep this very neutral, BUT, Monopoly, your edit history does not indicate any experience on the History of Germany or Germany related expertise. Italiano111 (talk) 21:52, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Italiano111, I have been editing this article for a long time and even if I hadn't that wouldn't give you the right to simply remove whatever you liked from the page. Wikipedia's Germany page is not a dictatorship that you can rule over. I would suggest you gain some experience editing other articles and read what Wikipedia has to say about Single-purpose accounts. That said, the suggested text offered above does not change the length of the text and incorporates hyperlinks to the relevant articles. Please stop deleting the constructive contributions of other editors.Monopoly31121993 (talk) 09:54, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

The proposed expansion puts an enormous emphasis on a 12 year period within a brief History summary spanning 2000 years. This does not make sense and seems unbalanced. For instance, the German party SPD (150 years old) or the CDU (70 years old) have more impact on German history and are not mentioned either. Remember, this is not the article about WW2 and not about the Third Reich. Italiano111 (talk) 17:54, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Something's wrong with the statistics on religion

Hullo,

I just noticed that according to the "religion" segment on the main article for "Germany", other religions are at 2.7% That corresponds to the figure one can see thanks to the source data, the 2011 Census

However, it is detailed that there are are 1.9% Muslims, 0.3% Buddhists and 0.1% Hindus I don't speak German, but even in the English version of the census, I can't see where those detailed figures were obtained

To make matters worse, when one clicks on the "Religion in Germany" article, it is stated that there are 5% Muslims in Germany...when the figure is at 1.9% in the "Religion" segment of the "Germany" article

Can someone please countercheck the figures and put the statistics that are accurate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manish2542 (talk • contribs) 23:02, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Inaccuracy in history

The "establishment of the Third Reich in 1933 led to World War II and the Holocaust". No the establishment of the Third Reich did not lead to either. The sentence implies that one inevitably followed the other. This not logically correct. It is also not correct that "After 1945, Germany split into two states". After 1945 Germany ceased to exist, and was divided into a number of occupation zones. In the 1950's it become two states - one independent, and the other a Soviet satellite.Royalcourtier (talk) 00:27, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

I can see that "led to" could be understood in that way. Perhaps "led up to" would be an improvement. I don't think you can say that Germany ceased to exist in 1945, but I agree that the lead currently oversimplifies the complex reality, made more complex by the differing (and changing) views on the de jure and de facto status of the "two Germanies" and former German territory. --Boson (talk) 16:07, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Language part's map

The map shows Turkey as an EU state while it's definetly not. Should be fixed.78.171.175.236 (talk) 18:16, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. The map has been repeatedly changed back and forth in the past. I have added a short footnote to clarify the discrepancy (but feel free to tweak). GermanJoe (talk) 18:39, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Weimar Republic and Nazi era section

Added a map of German concentration camps in occupied Europe. I think that this being a very significant topic it should be highlighted a bit more in the Weimar Republic and Nazi era section. Also, the section has enough room to include a second image, so I don't think the map will clutter things. The issue of WWII and the role Germany played can illustrated in more depth. --E-960 (talk) 14:38, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Disagree. The image is useless, we already have enough images.Ernio48 (talk) 18:39, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

If I can also augment my point — the map shows the extent of German occupation in Europe, which naturally leads to the map just below it of the Allied occupation zones of German, illustrating to the reader that the reason why German was so harshly treated... due to its military expansionism across Europe. I understand that this is a difficult subject, but the map clarifies a lot as to what occurred, instead of showing some graphic pictures. Also, I would not think that having two images in a large section is a lot. --E-960 (talk) 20:58, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Politics --> Chancellor--> False information

Hello,

In the third paragraph, row six and seven it says: "Since 1949, the party system has been dominated by the Christian Democratic Union and the Social Democratic Party of Germany. So far every chancellor has been a member of one of these parties."

That is wrong. Walter Scheel, even if he was Chancellor for just nine days, was a member of the Free Democratic Party (FDP).

Thank you very much.

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