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Edit/Reference Request--Radio Signals Section

The first sentence of the last paragraph of the section titled Radio Signals states: "Some of these reports of transmissions were later determined to be hoaxes but others were deemed authentic." It is well documented that some of the people claiming to have heard Earhart were perpetrating a hoax, e.g., Finding Amelia, Gillespie, page 125 (first reference below). On the other hand, as far as I know, none of the claims have been authenticated, much less has anyone explained how authentication was achieved. If transmissions have indeed been authenticated, a reference for this fact should be added; if not, the statement that some transmissions were authenticated should be removed from the sentence. Perhaps the author of this sentence is thinking of Tighar's Post-Loss Catalog (second reference below), a compilation of possible radio transmissions. But the Post-Loss catalog never claims any transmission was authentic, it goes only as far as saying certain reported radio transmissions are 'credible'.

Google Books Finding Amelia link: https://books.google.com/books?id=0FMiJnVvFYIC&pg=PA125&lpg=PA125&dq=Pierson+and+McMenam&source=bl&ots=lL9-97ELnd&sig=SdppTsz4sg6xmXhTUfg2HWbix3g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi_2ruq55LOAhWJXR4KHQoMC3cQ6AEITDAH#v=onepage&q=Pierson%20and%20McMenam&f=false

Tighar's post-loss catalog: https://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Archives/Research/ResearchPapers/Brandenburg/signalcatalog.html

71.183.8.188 (talk) 04:53, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Height

Amelia Earhart' Air Transport license indicates her height as being 5'8" tall - not 5'7" tall as described on Amelia Earhart's cover data [1]page. See the above link: Leslie Kinney Lgkinney (talk) 05:52, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

That source was from the age of 31, a decade before her death, and people frequently lose a bit of height as they age due to spinal compression. I wouldn't be surprised if both figures are correct, OR if she was actually 5'7.5". Still, that's probably excessive detail; I'd support listing her height as 5'8" based on this. Jtrevor99 (talk) 14:20, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 Not done per the above. — JJMC89 (T·C) 16:43, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=amelia+earhart+license&view=detailv2&&id=CEA3AB351A26EC32B8FC806DF6E8D13CA0D648FD&selectedIndex=16&ccid=vsSjOLVI&simid=608009182259840706&thid=OIP.Mbec4a338b548b96c06640b0adda29c9co0&ajaxhist=0

Update Request – Gardner Island Skeletal Material

The 5th paragraph under the heading “Gardner Island hypothesis” concludes:

“In 1998, however, an analysis of the measurement data by forensic anthropologists did not confirm the original findings, concluding instead, that the skeleton had belonged to a "tall white female of northern European ancestry." The bones themselves were misplaced in Fiji long ago and have not been found.[160]”

Recently (2015) a paper was published in the Journal of Archaeological Science: Reports that contradicts the 1998 analysis and supports the 1941 British findings (see reference below).

As this is the one and only formally peer-reviewed and published/presented scholarly report to have appeared since 1941, I strongly suggest it be recognized with an update to the Wiki paragraph such as (example):

“In 1998 [word deleted] an analysis of the measurement data by forensic anthropologists did not confirm the original findings, concluding instead, that the skeleton had belonged to a "tall white female of northern European ancestry”. However, a more recent published study concluded in 2015 that “the most robust scientific analysis and conclusions are those of the original British finding indicating that the Nikumaroro bones belonged to a robust, middle-aged man, not Amelia Earhart.” The bones themselves were misplaced in Fiji long ago and have not been found.[160]”

The bold font in my example above is merely to highlight the actual update language, and is not intended to be included in the article. The quoted portion of the suggested update is taken verbatim from the abstract of the 2015 Cross/Wright paper. A reference citation to the 2015 paper could also be included on the Wiki page if the Editors so desire.

Reference: “The Nikumaroro bones identification controversy: First-hand examination versus evaluation by proxy — Amelia Earhart found or still missing?”, Pamela J. Cross and Richard Wright, Journal of Archaeological Science: Reports 3 (2015) 52–59. The highlights and abstract can be viewed for free at http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352409X15300109. There is a charge to the general public for viewing the entire report online, however, either I or Dr. Wright himself can furnish a review copy to the Editors upon request. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:B149:8CC0:6082:C895:8277:C1CD (talk) 23:24, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 August 2016

In 2008, an airplane shaped object was discovered in a Google Earth 2006 satellite image of Orona, previously known as Hull Island, in the Phoenix Islands. Symmetry analysis shows this object to be Amelia Earhart's L10e aircraft. A subsequent Japanese capture theory has evolved from this image and is presented at my website aquariusradar.com/OronaSaipanTheory.html. As all other disappearance theories, it is speculation The Wiki editors must note that all theories regarding the AE disappearance are speculation and selecting some and rejecting others is not fair play. Add a few lines to the Japanese capture paragraph that discuss this Orona theory: AE crash landed at Orona and survived the crash. She was later captured by Japanese.


70.191.229.104 (talk) 02:28, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Also WP:RS and WP:OR issues EvergreenFir (talk) 02:58, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

EvergreenFir and other Wiki editors have favored speculative theories about the Amelia Earhart disappearance. The changes I want to see are the addition of two sentences in the Japanese capture paragraph. Add the following sentences:

"The Orona theory speculates that AE safely landed at Orona and survived. The American fliers were later captured by Japanese Army pirates."

The requirement for reference sources and original research with reference to speculative theories is meaningless. The reference or research for speculation is in itself speculative. Just because a speculative story appeared in a newspaper 50 years ago does not make that reference or research reliable; it is speculative as well. Yes, reference and research are required for science, math, language articles but not unsolved mysteries of history that are 100% speculative from the start. So Wiki should include all speculative theories or eliminate them from the discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.191.229.104 (talk) 01:12, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 September 2016

Hello. On the Page for Amelia Earhart, and under the Pop Culture section, there should be the Video "Fly to the Angels", by Slaughter. The Song/Video is about Amelia Earhart. The song is from 1989/1990 - - - here is a link to the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukmobha2krY

Thank you for your work. Peace.

Disciple4lif (talk) 06:25, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit protected}} template. -- Dane2007 talk 06:42, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Is Nukumaroro 'New York'

After she disappeared, several ham radio operators heard messages purportedly from Earhart. One woman said that Earhart used the words "New York" several times. Bearing in mind that it was called Gardner island at the time, is it possible that it may have appeared as Nukumaroro on some map and that Earhart was aware of this used that word - and that the radio listener misinterpreted it as 'New York.' ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.217.59.229 (talk) 03:15, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

In the Finding Amelia book the words are reported as 'New York City', possibly repeated. It is known that the Norwich City freighter was wrecked on the Gardner Island reef and was present at the time of the Electra's disappearance. It is possible that an American pronunciation of Norwich might be heard as 'New York' when heard via HF radio with background notice and interference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.136.9.4 (talk) 13:18, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Update - Popular Culture

I do believe that on the Popular Cuture section, there should be a reference to the fact that Alex Hirsh, creator of Gravity Falls, wrote on the book "Gravity Falls: Journal 3" timeline that Amelia Earhart allegedly escapd into the Gravity Falls forests following the crashing of her plane into the surrounding mountains. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnnyCharneca (talk • contribs) 23:55, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Transatlantic solo flight in 1932

In the section Transatlantic solo flight in 1932 it mentions Londonderry when it should refer to Derry as per WP:IMOS. Could an editor please change this. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.202.171.146 (talk) 23:15, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

 Done —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:32, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Distance

Just some random notes about distance...

It doesn't add up. Does Lae to Howland include a headwind? Adding distance to Gardner makes it too much. So there is nautical and statute mile confusion in the article. If 2556 statute miles, then the 11 to 14 km discrepancy may be the 1937 chart error for Gardner Island of roughly 5 nautical miles (9.3 km). There is a belief Noonan had correct location: Tigar Howland Island. Glrx (talk) 16:59, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-Protected edit request

Please wikify the first reference to Yellow Peril so that children will not accidentally commit hate speech by reading the name of her car out loud. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.93.155.1 (talk) 13:57, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Question.

I read this- "Earhart disappeared over the central Pacific Ocean near Howland Island". What about this instead- Earhart disappeared over the central Pacific Ocean en route to Howard Island. In other words, replace the word near, with en route? Technically, she was en route, which means on the way. Also this - "Pacific Wrecks, a website that documents World War II-era aircraft crash sites, notes that no Electra has been reported lost in or around Papua New Guinea. Gillespie wrote that the 2,000-mile (3,200 km) distance from Earhart's last known position to New Britain was impossible for the aircraft to fly, requiring more than 13 hours of flight when there were only 4 hours of fuel remaining". Who is Gillespie? And under Legacy, it reads- "Her shyly charismatic appeal, independence, persistence, coolness under pressure, courage and goal-oriented career along with the circumstances of her disappearance at a comparatively early age have driven her lasting fame in popular culture". I'm sorry, but adjectives like, shyly charismatic appeal, independence, and persistence, coolness under pressure read like opinions and I think they should be removed. Paige Matheson (talk) 21:08, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

@Paige Matheson:.
I think "near Howland" is fine. Yes, she was en route, but she didn't find the island. Some theories have her continuing to search for Howland while other theories have her abandoning that destination and heading elsewhere. There might be something better.
Gillespie heads TIGHAR, a group that backs the Gardner Island Hypothesis.
Cut them out.
Glrx (talk) 19:30, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

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Edit request

Change: "Throughout this period, her grandmother's inheritance..."

To: "Throughout the early 1920's, her grandmother's inheritance..."

You have links in the contents presumably so that people can read sections in an non-sequential order. I need to have read the previous section to understand what "this period" means. 109.76.176.228 (talk) 21:57, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

I think we tend to assume that an interested reader will read the whole article (and even remember what was in an earlier section). Martinevans123 (talk) 22:03, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
And that assumption, happy though it sounds, is sometimes unwarranted. (I once had a friend who read books chapter by chapter, in reverse order.) I think this request is reasonable—despite the unwelcome apostrophe in "1920's"—but the sentence had other problems. So...
Done, as part of a larger edit. RivertorchFIREWATER 13:48, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

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Amelia Earhart Centre, Derry is no longer open

The Amelia Earhart Centre in Derry is no longer open, nor is the Amelia Earhart Society website available. 92.3.199.172 (talk) 16:16, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Was that the The Amelia Earhart Cottage Museum. Do you have a source for when it closed? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:10, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Edit request

http://www.museumofwomenpilots.com/index.html

In the extra links the "Museum of women pilots" is now a dead link.

Belligerant (talk) 10:58, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Removed, thanks for pointing it out. Chaheel Riens (talk) 11:05, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for spotting that. As that domain name is now for sale, it seems, I removed the link altogether. But I've added 99s Museum of Women Pilots to the "See also" section - I assume that is related? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:07, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
Was there an edit conflict here? According to the edit history I removed the link, but you added the see also. Chaheel Riens (talk) 11:52, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
Haha. Yes, I think so. No worries. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:17, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Phenomenal industry

The current version states that Earhart had her first airplane ride on Dec. 28, 1920, and then "Working at a variety of jobs, including photographer, truck driver, and stenographer at the local telephone company, she managed to save $1,000 for flying lessons." Six days later, on January 3, 1921, she had her first lesson. Either some of the facts are wrong or the sentence overstates the case. Or, perhaps she was one heck of a worker, in which case maybe that should be the emphasis of the article. FullnessOfTime (talk) 20:02, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

The source provided doesn't help really help (and says nothing about her mother's stake in the $1,000?) I think one must assume that she didn't have to pay the whole sum up front before she had the first lesson, but the word "save" does suggest that. One might also assume the lessons were strung out, perhaps over the entire year of 1921? Perhaps we could think of a less ambiguous turn of phrase, or maybe even find a better source? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:24, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Edit request

In this recently added passage about the 2017 history channel, two unknown persons are referred to as "a Caucasian male and female", when they mean "A Caucasian man and woman".

"In 2017, a History Channel special, "Amelia Earhart: The Lost Evidence" uncovered a photograph in the National Archives with annotation that it was taken in 1937 at Jaluit Atoll, showing a Caucasian male and female on a dock who appear to match Earhart and Noonan according to facial recognition experts.[187] The special theorizes that the photo was taken after Earhart and Noonan crashed at Mili Atoll and that the Japanese ship Koshu Maru then took the two to Saipan, where both later died in Japanese custody.[188]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.94.25.170 (talk) 15:13, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Japanese research of History Channel documentary photo

Added the link to the 1935 photo album digitized by the National Diet Library that apparently predates the final Earhart/Noonan flight by over a year. The original researcher who found this, wrote about his discovery here. The researcher has since also created an English language version of his post linked on the page. Clearly a blog post is inappropriate as a source. However feel the link to the National Diet Library entry is appropriate for wikipedia.Kintpuash (talk) 04:28, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Added third party citation to the section. Kintpuash (talk) 13:08, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

San Matean Says Japanese Executed Amelia Earhart

  • Day, Linwood McGuire (27 May 1960). "San Matean Says Japanese Executed Amelia Earhart" Woman's Story : [Aviatrix Died Before Saipan Firing Squad]. San Mateo Times. Vol. 60, no. 127. San Mateo, California: Amphlett Printing Company. p. 1. A San Mateo woman who may have been one of the last to see Amelia Earhart alive, says that the famed aviatrix was executed by a Japanese firing squad even while the U.S. Navy was spending $4,000,000 in a futile search for the missing flier and her navigator, Frederick Noonan. Mrs. Josephine Blanco Akiyama of 15 South Idaho Street, has identified pictures of Amelia as the "American lady pilot" she saw taken into custody on the fortress island of Saipan in July 1937. The woman flier was accompanied by a man, she said, an American also dressed in aviator's garb. {{cite news}}: Cite has empty unknown parameters: |registration=, |subscription=, |nopp=, |last-author-amp=, |lay-date=, |lay-source=, |dead-url=, and |name-list-format= (help); Invalid |script-title=: missing prefix (help); Unknown parameter |lay-url= ignored (help)
  • San Matean Says Japanese Executed Amelia Earhart

Xb2u7Zjzc32 (talk) 19:25, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

museumofwomenpilots.com @ wayback.archive.org/web

  • "99s Museum of Women Pilots". museumofwomenpilots.com. 4300 Amelia Earhart Road, Oklahoma City, OK 73159: 99s International Organization of Women Pilots. Archived from the original on 2014-05-03. Retrieved 12 July 2017. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |dead-url= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)CS1 maint: location (link)

Xb2u7Zjzc32 (talk) 19:25, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for finding. I added a link to 99s Museum of Women Pilots in the "See also" section. Do you think this external link also needs to be re-added? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:29, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
re-add external links
Xb2u7Zjzc32 (talk) 21:05, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
Um, we already have 13? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:18, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
The only Earhart resource that I found at museumofwomenpilots.org or museumofwomenpilots.com was her pilot's license, which I referenced. Earhart resources of 99s Museum of Women Pilots are mostly physical. The Museum's online resources are mostly text lists of people, aimed at researchers who may be interested in the Museum's holdings. ninety-nines.org has more online.
multimedia content :
  • National Portrait Gallery (June 29, 2012). "One Life: Amelia Earhart". Smithsonian Institution. Films from the University of South Carolina Moving Image Research Collections. Photographs from the George Palmer Putnam Collection. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |dead-url= (help)
Xb2u7Zjzc32 (talk) 00:41, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
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