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Art+Feminism 2020 San Diego edit-a-thon

Hi everyone!

I am organizing two Art+Feminism edit-a-thons this year here in San Diego, one in the Spring and one in the Fall in the lead up to the 2020 election. What is the best way for me to connect with members who might be interested in 1) participating either in-person or online and/or 2) be willing to help as a trainer/instructor/helper during these events? Any guidance is appreciated!

Thank you! Praxis2020 (talk) 04:27, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Praxis2020: I see from Wikipedia:Meetup/San Diego/February 2020 there is a meetup in San Diego on 2 February but as far as I can see, you are not involved. I recommend that as a first step you create a meetup page of your own. Once we have dates and details, we can announce it on our main page and it can also be listed with other A+F events. If you need further assistance, I recommend you contact Rosiestep on her talk page. Hope everything works out well.--Ipigott (talk) 11:35, 18 January 2020 (UTC)]]
Praxis2020: I see from Wikipedia:Meetup/San Diego/January 2020, there is also a meetup in San Diego tomorrow. It might be useful for you to go along, see how it is organized and perhaps invite participants to help with your own events.--Ipigott (talk) 11:40, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for responding! I will look up their next event and start there as you suggest. 66.75.225.244 (talk) 17:11, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Carol L. Boggs

Could someone familiar with notability rules please take a look at Draft:Carol L. Boggs? It was rejected at articles for creation, but she's a fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. Looking through past discussions, I think that's sufficient for notability, but that's way out of my wheelhouse. Thank you. SchreiberBike | ⌨  23:58, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

I've commented there. She does pass WP:PROF#C3 but the draft is inadequately sourced for what it claims about her research. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:24, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
I concur that she is definitely wiki-notable per WP:PROF#C3 at the very least. A quick Google Scholar check says she has an h-index of 45 and 30 articles with over 100 citations apiece, which is a strong argument for WP:PROF#C1 as well. (Yes, citation indices are fallible metrics, which is one reason why we treat them as only one way to meet one of the possible criteria of WP:PROF.) The article is maybe one solid editing session away from being mainspace-ready, IMO. It needs some comparatively minor adjustments for encyclopedic tone, and claims about the significance, impact or novelty of her research need to be supported by secondary sources, or else trimmed. We can say, for example, "She studied the giving of male nuptial gifts in butterfly species," but not "Her work on male nuptial gifts opened up a new research arena," unless some other reference (a textbook, a review article, a citation for a major award) says so. XOR'easter (talk) 14:39, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
I've added sourcing for her fellowships. But there's something odd about the references: access date 10 October 2019 for several refs, but article created 8 Jan 2020 in editor's first edit (account created 28 December). Presumably copied from a sandbox ... but wouldn't the edits show in editor's contrib list? Is it a copy of something previously deleted? Puzzling. PamD 17:05, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
It's been accepted as Carol L. Boggs. Thanks all for the help. SchreiberBike | ⌨  18:57, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Could someone do a pass on this article for me?

I wrote an article on Megan Rosenbloom and submitted it for DYK and it got flagged as promotional. I don't know what is wrong with it, figured someone else could maybe make a pass and try to make it more encyclopedia? Thank you! Jessamyn (talk) 02:03, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

I looked at it and the article does not strike me as being an advertisement. That said, the language in the lede could be very slightly toned down and rewritten, with most items in the introduction could be moved down to a career section. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:16, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks so much, I took your advice. Jessamyn (talk) 02:50, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Invitation to attend event

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Meetup/San Diego/March 2020/International Women's Day Wikipedia Edit-a-Thon . RightCowLeftCoast (Moo) 03:54, 7 February 2020 (UTC)Template:Z48

Feedback

I am a fan of this project (found out about some women i had no idea existed who did great things in history), but please drop the Valentines' day theme for Women in Red this month. Many of editors of this project are from countries where Valentines Day is not a thing (Poland, New Zealand, Arab countries, etc) and it defeats the purpose of it. For February, come up with a different theme for Women in Red. It's not hard. thanks 41.102.71.57 (talk) 18:30, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello! Of course, we don't want to be off-putting, but ... what Valentine's Day theme? The red heart on the page is just the project logo; it's been there since April 2016. XOR'easter (talk) 18:37, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
It's in the February with Women in Red newsletter (above). I must say I was surprised to see Valentine's Day being celebrated in late January when the newsletter was broadcast, but I skipped over it and moved on. Oronsay (talk) 18:54, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
I thought it was rather clever of Rosiestep to match the red heart in the recent invitation image with that of Women in Red. But I fully understand the concerns expressed above. In fact, a number of countries have officially banned Valentine's day (although I don't think there are any problems in New Zealand). We experience the same difficulties on the EN Wikipedia in connection with Christmas and the New Year with the result that we usually opt for something vague like "Seasonal Greetings". We should perhaps be more careful in future. For clarification, though, the new "themes" this month are Explorers, Black women and Women in horror. Fortunately, I don't think there will be any objections to our focus on International Women's Day on 8 March.--Ipigott (talk) 10:54, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Indeed, I placed the Valentine's image on the February invitation. I didn't mean to be insensitive, yet I was by not thinking it through more carefully or seeking opinions on this talkpage. I apologize for that. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:38, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Daisy Edgar-Jones

Bringing attention to the DRAFT for Daisy Edgar-Jones - actress has at least 2 notable roles and media coverage. Co-star Paul Mescal from upcoming series Normal People has been published. Starklinson 07:58, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

@Starklinson: I've promoted it to mainspace - Daisy Edgar-Jones. It may or may not now get nominated for deletion; we'll just have to wait and see. --Tagishsimon (talk) 08:29, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Lady Laura Troubridge

Hi everyone. I picked up Troubridge from Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Writers - UK number 180, Laura Troubridge, Q28325435. But it seems there is a little confusion over two women with the same name. One is known as Lady Laura Troubridge (nee Gurney), the other as Laura Troubridge. The file Q28325435 seems to have both women as one. I was too far gone in my research to turn back by the time I realised, so decided to finish the article I was doing on Lady Laura Troubridge (nee Gurney), and then follow it up with a second article on Laura Troubridge. To make way for the second Laura (and not to confuse myself) I've moved the article I've written from my user to main userspace. I haven't put authority control or categories into the draft article yet, as I'm not sure if something needs to change in wikidata (Q28325435) first to split the two women? Can anyone advise me what to do? Cdefm (talk) 18:46, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

This article now links to Wikidata (Q84512674). I suggest Q28325435 should be completely deleted as it is indeed very confused. Any items pertaining to (Q84512674) could then be added there. Perhaps our Wikidata expert Tagishsimon could sort it out.--Ipigott (talk) 08:13, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
Sounds fun. I'll take a look later today. --Tagishsimon (talk) 10:34, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
I think we're good. There are two people with similar names, both novelists, both with a father or a mother called Gurney. Both wikidata iteams look as if they have the right data for the right person, and the wikipedia article is attached to the right person. I've not check all of the IDs on the earlier wikidata record; there's a possibility that some are for the later record; equally a possibility that they're not. --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:49, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
Epic hatnote there! Disam page needed? Johnbod (talk) 17:41, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you everyone!!! I'm now tackling the second Laura, the one who is now Q28325425. The whole web seems to have confused the two women, additionally the second Laura has more than one 'professional' name by which her works were known. And then, some people confuse these two women with a third, Una, Lady Troubridge. It's a maze out there. Wish me luck! Cdefm (talk) 12:13, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

PS Diambuguation page still way above 'my pay grade'. I've haven't even tried one of those yet. But it looks like I've cracked the hatnote. Whoo hoo! Cdefm (talk) 12:14, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Cathy Whims

Hello! I expanded the Cathy Whims article back in March 2019. I'm considering a Good article nomination, but I'd love to get a bit of feedback from project members here first. I'm not concerned about notability, but is the article long enough to be promoted? Also, are there places to search for possible images for the infobox? Thanks for any article improvements or feedback in advance. ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:26, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Another Believer I think the article needs to broaden coverage if it is to be reviewed for GA. Dr. Blofeld and Montanabw were my mentors in GA. They said the article should be at about 15,000 bytes of text before final editing. That seemed really daunting to me on my first nomination, but making the article as comprehensive as possible, typically requires at least 8,000 - 10,000 bytes of text. A search of Google makes me think that kind of coverage is not going to be easy to come by. I typically avoid working living women up for Good Article, as maintaining the status as their lives change requires a good deal of commitment, but if you really want to go for it, I wish you luck. SusunW (talk) 20:32, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
SusunW, Thanks for your feedback! ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:38, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Another Believer: Susun has offered some very sound advice. Nevertheless, from time to time much shorter articles are promoted to GA. Among the most recent promotions, Willard Ryan is considerably shorter than Cathy Whims (although ORES continues to give it a C class). It seems to me that the weakest item in your article is the lead. You should develop it further on the basis of the main achievements mentioned in the article. It would also be useful to check for recent news to make sure the article reflects any important developments. Perhaps you could contact the subject for a photo suitable for Commons -- and possibly date and place of birth. I would then encourage you to have the article reviewed or simply go for GA where constructive comments will follow. It might be useful to bring it to the attention of WikiProject Women in Green which specializes in promoting women's articles to GA and beyond. Hope this helps.--Ipigott (talk) 11:37, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
Ipigott, Very helpful, thank you! ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:51, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Idea for new community workspace

Hi. I would like to create some kind of collaborative workspace where coordinators or members of various WikiProjects would gather and provide updates and information on what is going on at each wikiproject, i.e. regarding their latest efforts, projects, and where interested editors can get involved.

For those of you at this very active WikiProject, your input would be very helpful, so I wanted to get your input on whether you'd be interested in helping me to make this happen.

we are discussing this proposal right now at:

* Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Idea for new community workspace

Please feel free to let me know what you think of this idea, and please let me know your preference, regarding the options above. if you do not see any need for this idea, that is totally fine. However, I think that the majority of editors lack awareness of where the truly active editing is taking place and at which WikiProjects, and I would like to do whatever I can to help make people more aware of where the activity is, what they can do to help, and also which areas of Wikipedia offer ideas and efforts that might help them in their own editing activities. Please feel free to let me know.

thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 18:48, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

redirects, disamb, and miscellany

I wrote an article on Nancy Clarke (entrepreneur) today. As there was a redirect from Nancy Clarke to White House Chief Floral Designer, I searched wikidata and realized there are 3 women with this name already in various projects, so hopefully I converted the redirect page to a disamb page correctly. When I went to make a redirect page for Ann Clarke, it already exists as well, but it redirects to Bryan Clarke. Weird thing is there is no mention of an Ann on his page, so I searched wikidata and there appears to be a Canadian painter (aka Ann Clarke Darrah) but no article on wp. As there is no article to blue link the artist to, I am unsure about creating a disamb page and totally unclear if it is simply acceptable to repoint the existing redirect to a page that actually mentions Ann Clarke? And then when completing the wikidata entry for Nancy Clarke (Q84607970), I get the message that I must add a source for claims that she is Afro-Caribbean and speaks English. I have no idea how to do that. She was a manumitted slave and a free woman of colour as confirmed here[1] and that she spoke English is confirmed here[2]. Can someone who has more skill with this help or advise me what to do? Thanks! SusunW (talk) 20:14, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata & the redirect sorted. As we don't know who Bryan Clarke's Ann was, we're not in a position to do a DAB. Obvs, someone may steal the redirect back. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:54, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you Tagishsimon, it just quickly went way over my skill level. Truly appreciate the help! SusunW (talk) 21:15, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
I asked the editor who created the redirect from Ann to Bryan why they'd done so, and they gave me a link to a source which explained all. So I've now added info about Ann Clarke (immunologist) at Bryan Clarke and at Frozen Ark, as she was the subject of an episode of BBC Radido 4's The Life Scientific which of itself goes a fair way to establish notability. And I've made a dab page at Ann Clarke, though I wonder how many dab pages we need for Ann(e) Clark(e) and whether the reader would be better served by just one! PamD 18:38, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
Ann Clarke (immunologist) is now blue. PamD 11:25, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
And there are just two dab pages: Anne Clark and Ann Clarke (both of which include Ann) with incoming redirects. PamD 12:03, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Good work, PamD. --Tagishsimon (talk) 12:09, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Excellent PamD! I knew posting it here would facilitate improving the encyclopedia, but had no idea it would lead so far in integrating so many more women. Thanks for the assist. SusunW (talk) 15:28, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject Women in Green

Thanks to considerable support, WikiProject Women in Green which until now has been a task force of WikiProject Women is now a wikiproject in its own right. It will of course continue to work closely with WP Women, Women in Red and related projects. Anyone interested in upgrading articles about women to GA status or higher is welcome to participate in the project.--Ipigott (talk) 11:35, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Fantastic news! Wishing much success to the WikiProject, its contributors, and its enthusiasts. Bravo! --Rosiestep (talk) 06:38, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

18.25% as of 10 February 2020

We are moving the needle! 18.25% as of 10 February 2020! Congratulations one and all! --Rosiestep (talk) 06:39, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Proposed Articles

I would like to submit new pages on feminist activist and entrepreneur Amy Nelson, as well as The Riveter, a company she started that acts as a modern union for working women (political advocacy, office space, events, etc.).

I work for The Riveter and understand Wikipedia’s conflict of interest policies. Therefore, I have created drafts here and here, so independent editors can objectively review them for neutrality and notability.

Thank you in advance for your time and feedback. Hannahh206 (talk) 18:19, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

@Hannahh206: Thanks for taking this approach, Hannahh206; much appreciated. The Amy Nelson article seems well-written and sourced, and neutral in tone; the subject appears to me to pass WP:GNG. I'd be happy to move that to mainspace as is. I think the best approach is to use {{Connected contributor}} on the talk page; I'll vouch for the article's neutrality. Exactly the same deal for The Riveter, but two observations: 1) you launch into specifying its focus in sentence one, without explaining what it is ... presumably some sort of American organisation; 2) The final paragraph comes close to marketing; I'm okay with retaining it, but it might trigger other people's spam sensors. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:08, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Tagishsimon: I nearly always agree with your assessments but in this case it seems to me that the sources are directly connected to Amy Nelson or her company in the form of interviews, etc. Before we recommend moving this to mainspace, it would be good to have a couple of truly independent sources. We need to be careful about articles created by those with COI concerns. I'm not suggesting we should not accept the article but I think it would be useful to have one or two truly independent secondary sources.--Ipigott (talk) 19:32, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Quartz, Forbes, CNBC. These may be interviews; they are not sources directly connected to Amy Nelson or her company. YMMV. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:35, 5 February 2020 (UTC)


@Tagishsimon: I made some changes to the draft page on The Riveter based on your feedback and added a Connected Contributor template. Let me know if you feel that one’s ready for main-space.

@Tagishsimon:@Ipigott: it seems you two disagree as to whether Amy Nelson qualifies for a page. What is the proper way for securing a decision one way or another? Would a third tie-breaker vote from a third editor be the proper etiquette? Hannahh206 (talk) 18:12, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

@Hannahh206: I've promoted both articles - Amy Nelson and The Riveter (organization), and added a declaration on Talk:Amy Nelson. Ipigott is right that more, & more independent, sources are desirable; and I hope in the fullness of time these are added. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:58, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Women in Red at the University of Edinburgh

The University of Edinburgh has just taken on their own dedicated Women in Red intern, Laurarose2019. Through a series of monthly workshops, we aim to bring inspiring female role models to prominence and combat the erasure of women’s achievements from history.

For more information or to follow the progress of our contribution to the project, please visit the blog at https://blogs.ed.ac.uk/wir-ed/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laurarose2019 (talk • contribs) 12:41, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

This is wonderful news, Laurarose2019. What a big leap for our community, indeed! We certainly wish you and the University of Edinburgh the very best. Please do keep us informed regarding progress. Also, if you have questions or comments, just let us know. Best, --Rosiestep (talk) 16:34, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
Yes, fantastic initiative from UofE. Good luck, Laurarose2019, and do let us know if you need a hand with anything. --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:01, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Dictionary of Women Artists (Draft:Laura Troubridge)

Dictionary of Women Artists. An international dictionary of women artists born before 1900. By Chris Petteys.Boston: G.K. Hall & Co., 1985. I'm half way through an article on Laura Elizabeth Rachel Troubridge (1858-1929) m. Adrian Hope. Draft:Laura Troubridge I'm struggling a little to 'gel' her career together as there's some confusion between women with the same or similar names, and she changed her 'professional' name a few times through out her career. I found a reference to her in the Dictionary of Women Artists but can't find a view the actual record online. Can anyone help me? Cdefm (talk) 12:23, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Cdefm, I cannot find a copy of that on-line either. You can request her entry in it here Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request and possibly they will find it. I did try to check the books at archive.org and hathitrust. While I did not find that book there, there are plenty of mentions and I did find this lovely photo of the other Laura Troubridge, which since it is from 1912 can be loaded to commons. I'm happy to do it for you, but perhaps you know how or want to learn how. SusunW (talk) 15:10, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
SusunW Thank you, I'll try the Resource Request and take a look at HathiTrust. I have added external links to some of her works at HathiTurst, so this could be a new one? Please feel free to add the picture to the other Laura, Lady Troubridge. I'm having to learn Wikipedia tech at such a fast rate my brain is starting to smoke. I'm thinking, if I master one additional skill with each article...I'm doing great. Cdefm (talk) 15:24, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
I totally get it Cdefm. Wiki tech is not intuitive for me and I am constantly having to seek out someone with higher skill levels and magic wands to help. I'll be glad to load it to commons. SusunW (talk) 15:29, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
Cdefm fwiw I've put together a disambiguation page Lady Troubridge. I think the Laura page you're currently drafting might best be launched as Laura Troubridge (diarist) to leave the Laura Troubridge page as a disambiguation page. In other news, Cdefm, you have enough edits, I expect, that you don't need to go through Articles for Creation; you can move your own drafts to mainspace (or ask here). Whatever works best for you. THank you for the articles. --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:28, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Tagishsimon I'll launch the one I'm working on now as (diarist), although during her time she was an artist. It's only after she died that her diaries became 'famous'. But then people should read the article, no? Thanks for info re: moving to mainspace. Although it may be a dangerous thing to let me loose like that. But who doesn't like living dangerously...Cdefm (talk) 18:31, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Cdefm, glad to see the resource exchange was able to provide the article for you. It's a great tool to know about and I hope that the article was helpful. SusunW (talk) 16:00, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
Yes! Thank you for the tip SusunW I've just finished my draft. It's turned out the longest yet. It was like putting together a puzzle when you just knew some of the pieces were missing. My writing skills are not the greatest. If you're feeling brave, I'd appreciate a second opinion. It's Draft: Laura Troubridge Cdefm (talk) 16:29, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
Cdefm: You have been doing a really good job on the diarist article. I would nevertheless recommend that you try to expand the lead to reflect her major achievements. When you are ready, move the article into mainspace yourself and add pertinent categories, authority control and defaultsort. Congratulations on advancing so quickly with Wikipedia editing. It looks as if you are going to be one of our major contributors.--Ipigott (talk) 14:11, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Feeling rather sheepish. I misunderstood your use of 'lead'. But never fear, there are a good group of people of in here to right my wrongs. Don't knwo owhat I'd do without them! Cdefm (talk) 19:13, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback Ipigott I found her difficult to piece together and I lost confidence that I had gone astray and got a touch of verbal diarrhea on this one. So the encouragement was much needed. I'll see what I can do about the lead to reflect her major achievements. But I'm not holding out much hope, online sources are running dry. I have a feeling there will be an obituary or something, and possibly mentions of her work, in some of the London newspapers at the time eg The Times, but I only have access to The Guardian which at that time was local to Manchester (I think?). Cdefm (talk) 14:39, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Cdefm I've tweaked the lede a little; it's mainly a question of summarising key points from the body of the article, rather than needing any more info or sources. This is another staggeringly good article which does a fine job of describing the subject; it's now more than ready to be pushed into mainspace. As to losing confidence, that's your Dunning–Kruger effect ... the more you know about the subject, the less satisfied you are with your work on her. The rest of us, much lower on that curve, think the article marvellous :). I think you have to face it that you have to push your children out into the world whether you think they're quite ready or not, and then get on with the next one. --Tagishsimon (talk) 15:58, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Well I never....I've learnt something new today. The Dunning–Kruger effect . I didn't know such a thing existed. Very interesting and I'm so impressed I'm now looking for someone to accuse of having it, just so I can use the term. And you are so right, I am guilty as charged! And, thank you for the tweak. To the rescue again. Are there virtual cups of coffee available? I think I owe you one Tagishsimon
It really is a superb article. Well done! The Drover's Wife (talk) 16:47, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Are there emojis on wikipedia...where's the 'clap my hands' emoji? Thanks. I'll try over come my Dunning–Kruger effect Cdefm (talk) 19:13, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
The Manchester Guardian was produced there until the 1960s, but I think from the late C19 was sold and read all over England & Wales & had become, as now, the leading "left" paper. Our article could be clearer on this frankly. Johnbod (talk) 16:05, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification Cdefm (talk)

Draft:Nell Brooker Mayhew

Hello again -- I found the above artist who died in 1940 in the nearly G13-eligible heap; it looks sourced and notable but was declined as not meeting the artist guideline so perhaps I'm missing something. Hope someone can help! Espresso Addict (talk) 03:44, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

There's currently only one painting in a "notable museum" referenced. Johnbod (talk) 04:39, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
I had thought that inclusion in encyclopedia/dictionaries plus being the topic of a book might meet the general guidelines. Espresso Addict (talk) 05:04, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
I found a couple more sources by searching for her maiden name. I can't remember which notability guideline says inclusion in a "Who's Who" type dictionary helps notability; she is in three of them. I've added the new sources and moved it to article space. Other eyes most welcome.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 05:24, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Never a bad idea to bring these kinds of cases here because it's not uncommon for AfC reviewers to throw the baby out with the bathwater and decline stuff that's actually notable. The Drover's Wife (talk) 05:28, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
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