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I cannot find definite confirmation, but it appears that the house has been sold. It no longer appears on the web site of the estate agent that listed it, though there are still links directing searchers to its web page. RogerInPDX (talk) 21:55, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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history of ownership

I'm curious. If the house was inherited by Princess Elizabeth, then how did it come to be sold by Henry's son Edward VI? Did Elizabeth sell or grant the property to Edward? Did Edward just claim it by some royal prerogative? emdrgreg@gmail.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emdrgreg (talk • contribs) 20:37, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Palace"

The name "Apethorpe Palace" is historically incorrect, and is a marketing ploy invented very recently by English Heritage: "Due to its past royal ownership and use, along with its outstanding historic and architectural significance, English Heritage and the new owner jointly agreed, prior to the sale in 2014, that the building would henceforth be known as Apethorpe Palace".^[1] Sold to a foreign gentleman who perhaps insisted on more bang for his buck, on a "palace" rather than a "hall", English Heritage overspent hugely on their budget in renovating this property and were desperate to sell it.

Just because an owner of an historic house decides to call it "Chez-Moi", "Dun' Romin", or whatever else, does not change the historic name it has been known by and does not commit others to that usage. If it had been entirely rebuilt in 2014, then perhaps the builder would be entitled to rename it. English Heritage did nothing to change the appearance of this house, other than spending millions on renovating it. That does not qualify for a name change. At the actual time of the enlargement of this house, by the Fane family, it does not appear to have been re-named "palace". We should therefore ignore the marketing diktat of English Heritage and stick to the historic usage, which calls it "Apethorpe Hall".

The BBC commented (7 January 2015):^[2] "Apethorpe Hall, near Oundle in Northamptonshire, was a favourite haunt of King James I. The mansion has been bought for £2.5m by French professor, diplomat and academic, Jean Christophe Iseux, Baron von Pfetten. English Heritage spent £8m renovating the hall, which fell into disrepair under a previous owner. Part of the deal with Baron von Pfetten will see Apethorpe Hall open to the public for 50 days every year for the next 80 years. English Heritage will manage public access."

"Palaces" attract more visitors and generate more cash than mere "halls". Wikipedia should avoid getting caught up in this marketing hype aimed at mitigating English Heritage's black-hole of £5.5 million.Lobsterthermidor (talk) 12:52, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciate that LobsterT isn’t around anymore, but I think we go with what the sources say. The HE listing record calls it “Apethorpe palace (formerly known as Apethorpe Hall)”, so we should probably follow that. I’ve added a sentence on the “raised eyebrows” that the owner’s name change occasioned. KJP1 (talk) 18:21, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

COI

A major contributor to this article is User talk:Prinkipo71. They identify as "Apethorpe's historian and archivist", [1]. The connection is obvious, though the COI is undeclared. Similar issues are to be observed at Jean Christophe Iseux von Pfetten, the house's owner, and Institute for East West Strategic Studies, the owner's thinktank, in the editing undertaken by User talk:Prinkipo71 and by User talk:Baronpfetten. KJP1 (talk) 13:02, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

[1] ttps://www.english-heritage.org.uk/visit/places/apethorpe-palace/

[2] ttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-30710411

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