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OK, so we have Tantric sex, which covers both Buddhist and Hindu Tantra; and Maithuna, which is a widely-used Sanskrit term for the same thing in Hinduism but also in Buddhism, and Karmamudrā which is another Sanskrit term for the same thing, in Tibetan Buddhism. Given the overlaps, perhaps these should all be merged. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:37, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Maithuna stands for copulation, intercourse or union, even marriage in Hinduism [1]. It is a broad term in Hinduism and not restricted to Tantric sex. Mithuna[2] also stands for pairs. --RedtigerxyzTalk09:43, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's not what the lead of the article says. "is a Sanskrit term for sexual intercourse within Tantric sex, or alternatively for the sexual fluids generated or the couple participating in the ritual." The claims you make are not discussed anywhere in the article. Unless you are planning to expand the article to include all the other uses? But Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Skyerise (talk) 12:22, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, some years on, I hesitate. This is for the fact that "tantric sex" has a non-scholarly modern sense which has little to do with Tantra, Buddhism, or Hinduism, and much to do with "new age" practices in the Western world. So the article's scope is rather doubtful: should the "new age tantric sex" practices be a separate article, or a section of this one? The phrase in the Maithuna lead does rather beg the question what "within Tantric sex" would actually mean, as the two phrases could be taken as synonyms, or "tantric sex" could be a disambiguation page to cover its various meanings. I guess I'd best say I oppose the merge at this point, as the articles need thought and careful rework to avoid confusion. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:51, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Just because it is a "critical term" doesn't mean in can't be discussed in an article that puts it in context. Many terms are. This article suffers from having much of the detail offloaded to Panchamakara, the five Ms, and even then, one of them is offloaded yet again to Maithuna. So we don't even have complete and comprehensive coverage of the five M's in Panchamakara, so it doubly suffers from not being presented in context and not including comprehensive coverage of the most important M. I mean "maithuna" is essentially presented as a synonym for "tantric sex", so why is it under the the Hindu term rather than the English one. Both Panchamakara and Maithuna should simply redirect to the Hindu section of this article. Skyerise (talk) 12:32, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Panchamakara (5 components, one of which is Maithuna) must not be merged into either "Tantric sex" or "Maithuna" because its scope is wider: it is not principally about sex. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:42, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This articles Hinduism section claims that Panchamakara and Maithuna are the main articles for the section, but doesn't even summarize them properly. If this article is not fleshed out with actual content, then I will likely propose it for deletion when these merge discussions are over. It is essentially content free, having offloaded all the details to separate articles. If I'd just gone ahead and done the merge, nobody would have complained. Skyerise (talk) 13:03, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"History" section
The history section contains little actual history and instead seems to mostly consist of Western academic opinions about whether tantrics ejaculate or not. It seems to ,e that the history should be properly organized and the Western academic theories should be relocated to their own section following the presentation of the history and the forms. That is, the the end of the article after the Hindu and Buddhist sections. Skyerise (talk) 13:33, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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