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[[Wikipedia:Bypass your cache|Refresh]] your page to see what time it is now. |salign = |source = }} == [[Carpathian Basin Rovas]] == Two accounts doing major and numerous changes on Hungarian script related articles, and creating new ones. I'd like an independent check on this article which I think is copyvio from http://std.dkuug.dk/JTC1/SC2/WG2/docs/n4006.pdf Also, looking at the imgages uploaded by one of them to Commons, I've run into [[Rovas Atlas]] which seems to have copyvio from [http://std.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n4080.pdf]. I haven't decided if an SPI is needed. Raised their edits at ANI but no one has responded. [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 15:10, 25 June 2011 (UTC) :Looks creative to me. I've tagged the images (which are commons) for {{tl|npd}}. We need verification of identity. :) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] ^{[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]} 22:33, 25 June 2011 (UTC) ::Can I clarify that you think the articles are not copyvio from the pdfs? At least one of the accounts may be the author as he signed himself Gabor. [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 13:58, 27 June 2011 (UTC) == Steventrilmore. == Please unblock [[User:Steventrilmore]] per [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASteventrilmore&action=historysubmit&diff=436265134&oldid=436147257]. It'd help her if you'd also just rename it to [[User:Elisabeth Röhm]], and leave a message explaining COI, TALK, and V again. -- [[User:Jeandré du Toit|Jeandré]], 2011-06-26[[User talk:Jeandré du Toit|t]]12:36z :I can't rename her, I'm afraid. She needs a bureaucrat for that. :/ I'll unblock her and leave a note at the bureaucrat's noticeboard. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] ^{[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]} 23:20, 26 June 2011 (UTC) ::Somebody got to it first. :) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] ^{[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]} 23:21, 26 June 2011 (UTC) == Professional help == MRG, I need some professional help on [[Mundeshwari Temple]]. It's part of [[Wikipedia:Contributor_copyright_investigations/Thisthat2011]]. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mundeshwari_Temple&oldid=432409945#cite_note-hindustantimes-12 This revision] is quite troublesome in terms of copyvios, but it has subsequently edited by others and has also gone on to the main page as DYK. Can you (or MER-C, VW, other tps) look at the derivative text aspect and see what ought to be done here? cheers. &mdash;[[User:SpacemanSpiff|<font color="#BA181F">Spaceman</font>]]'''[[User_talk:SpacemanSpiff|<font color="#2B18BA">Spiff</font>]]''' 12:56, 26 June 2011 (UTC) :Looks like a problem to me. :/ I've tagged it as a close paraphrase, which should automatically list it at CP. If it isn't revised adequately within a week, I may alter it myself if nobody else does. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] ^{[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]} 23:27, 26 June 2011 (UTC) ::Thanks, there were a couple more that I kicked up to the copyvio board as in addition to the copyvio from this particular CCI, there've been multiple other copyvio editions over a really long period of time. cheers. &mdash;[[User:SpacemanSpiff|<font color="#BA181F">Spaceman</font>]]'''[[User_talk:SpacemanSpiff|<font color="#2B18BA">Spiff</font>]]''' 15:49, 27 June 2011 (UTC) *Question: In the case of [[Ankapur‎]] there appears to now be an OTRS ticket (5896023) from the source releasing it to a compatible license , but the source website says everything is copyright protected. In such cases, what's to be followed? cheers. &mdash;[[User:SpacemanSpiff|<font color="#BA181F">Spaceman</font>]]'''[[User_talk:SpacemanSpiff|<font color="#2B18BA">Spiff</font>]]''' 16:06, 28 June 2011 (UTC) == Request for a second set of eyes == Hi Moonriddengirl - could you please have a look at the spotchecks I posted [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:CaroleHenson&oldid=436379135#Some_advice here]. The page has been refactored since and gotten a bit muddled, but I'm concerned because I found close paraphrasing on each article I looked at, and I only checked a single section of each article. This is a situation I fell into by happenstance, but now am being accused of incivility. So, I'd like to punt it to you, if you don't mind. Thanks. [[User:Truthkeeper88|Truthkeeper88]] ([[User talk:Truthkeeper88|talk]]) 22:03, 26 June 2011 (UTC) :There was nothing about the original request (where the link points) that was in any way uncivil, taking time to pull the examples were much appreciated and helpful to try to work on the issue. Nor, were the comments about civility in later history of my talk page meant for TK. I've punted this to the [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts|VA project talk page]].--[[User:CaroleHenson|CaroleHenson]] ([[User talk:CaroleHenson|talk]]) 22:53, 26 June 2011 (UTC) ::Deflecting to the VA project wont help, though you selective talk page blanking a refacturing of comments you didnt like might. [[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="#006633">Ceoil</font>]] 23:02, 26 June 2011 (UTC) edit conflict :I sometimes have delay reaction - I just realized that you're working on copyright issues. If I could have a little of your time on a couple of questions that will help me directionally it would be very much appreciated!--[[User:CaroleHenson|CaroleHenson]] ([[User talk:CaroleHenson|talk]]) 23:04, 26 June 2011 (UTC) ::If you now have that level of self awarness, mind pulling the accusations of agression and civility. This is [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Visual_arts&oldid=436401457] just unacceptable. [[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="#006633">Ceoil</font>]] 23:14, 26 June 2011 (UTC) ::{{ec}} MRG, I am on this case. There are, indubitably, issues. Those issues comprise two parts: ::*certainly some close paraphrasing, as identified by {{u|Truthkeeper88}} and accepted by {{u|CaroleHenson}}. The latter is struggling a little to understand the policies/guidelines but, if past experience is anything to go by, is prepared to learn. ::*an accusation of incivility which TK appears to think is directed at her but in fact, from the chronology, was aimed at {{u|Ceoil}} and his comments about me. ::In other words, CaroleHenson was stepping in effectively as a bystander to a perceived incivility expressed on her own talk page by someone else and about someone else. ::I really couldn't care less what Ceoil thinks of me. He is entitled to hold that opinion. It is, however, a slightly unfortunate opinion to express in these specific circumstances. TK has quite rightly raised some issues and I have been trying to adopt the more "user friendly" approach of providing examples rather than just referring to policy. What Ceoil has to do with this, and also some of the possibly blunt exchanges between CH and TK, is related to a certain history between the users. But the immediate point of contention relates to Ceoil. These people are never likely to get on. Stuff happens. ::I favour trying to resolve this in a collaborative manner and by helping CH to understand the issues by example. As I say in the discussion, which I agree is somewhat messed up due to the unfortunate refactoring, there is an opportunity to educate here and myself & TK are singing off the same hymn sheet when it comes to the optimum method for doing things. As I also say, TK and myself are in a very small minority. Copyvios are common, plagiarism is frequent and close paraphrasing is rife. I am 100% certain that I have closely paraphrased in my own contributions. Sometimes it is extremely difficult not to do so. This does not excuse Ceoil's intervention and, while TK is correct, it would perhaps have been more helpful to provide some practical assistance. Initially, TK did not even provide examples and only did so after I prompted for them. The implication that "if I find the diffs then I will have to open a CCI" (paraphrase of TK comment) was not helpful. ::We are dealing here with a user (CH) who has a track record of taking on board advice when it is presented in a manner which makes some sense to her, and who has also shown a long-term willingness to collaborate. Many, if not all, of the niggles which have existed between her, Ceoil and (to a lesser extent) TK relate to a specific situation regarding a proposed FA candidate. In my opinion, that discussion was equally flawed because it did have the appearance of bullying and a failure to explain. I am sure that neither TK nor Ceoil intended this, but they are vastly experienced editors and sometimes perhaps cannot see the wood for the trees when it comes to relatively new contributors. At the very least, there is a possibility that the project may lose someone with much potential (CH) due to some unfortunate situations regarding policy etc that have neither been explained well nor, in some cases, were even correct. For example, you and I both know that there are several "official" ways to provide a citation but the major spat between CH/Ceoil?TK was a direct consequence of the latter seeming to insist that in fact ''their'' way was the only way. I weighed in to point out that there were in fact other ways. Not saying that ''their'' way was wrong, but just that their language suggested it was "this or nothing" when in fact it is not. ::Messy, very messy. But the issue is really regarding history, not close paraphrasing. I am tempted to suggest that TK and Ceoil stay away from CH's talk page unless they have a genuine policy issue to raise. In this instance, TK did but Ceoil just stuck a boot in there. It was silly, all the more so because to the best of my knowledge I have never edited a page to which Ceoil has contributed. ::Please, let me work it through with CH. - [[User:Sitush|Sitush]] ([[User talk:Sitush|talk]]) 23:30, 26 June 2011 (UTC) :::Here is the whole thread btw, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Visual_arts#Vincent_van_Gogh_articles]...[[User:Modernist|Modernist]] ([[User talk:Modernist|talk]]) 23:31, 26 June 2011 (UTC) ::::Hi. :) Thanks, everybody, for such a complete background here. I've had a look at the thread. My thoughts here are that if Carole is willing to work on correcting paraphrase issues herself, that would be far preferable to starting a CCI. If Sitush is willing to help her work on it, we could certainly do a spotcheck later without the need for the formal process (unless, of course, there are remaining issues then). CCI is not meant to be any kind of disciplinary interaction, of course; the reason I would prefer to avoid it if possible is because there are sooo many of them pending and they are languishing forever. We have CCIs over a year old. :P ::::Dealing with these issues can be quite difficult. I appreciate your willingness to help out, Sitush. ::::I'll be happy to assist, too, if I can, but I am traveling this week and will not have much time for volunteerism. :) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] ^{[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]} 23:39, 26 June 2011 (UTC) edit conflict :::::Oh, Sitush, if you wouldn't mind - and that's ok directionally, that would be wonderful! I just felt bad for you getting slammed for trying to help out.--[[User:CaroleHenson|CaroleHenson]] ([[User talk:CaroleHenson|talk]]) 23:40, 26 June 2011 (UTC) :::::I would prefer that Moonriddengirl look. She is uninvolved. And I would suggest that Sitush, with whom I've barely interacted, but who has interacted extensively with Carole Henson, is ascribing motive where none exists. All I've read above is that I didn't provide examples - was unable to because either my internet slowed down or the wiki servers where I live. I've rectified that situation, and I'm more than happy to find more examples. [[User:Truthkeeper88|Truthkeeper88]] ([[User talk:Truthkeeper88|talk]]) 23:41, 26 June 2011 (UTC) ::::::Quite honestly, this needs to go to CCI. I barely touched the tip of the iceberg. I will work up a report and submit to CCI. [[User:Truthkeeper88|Truthkeeper88]] ([[User talk:Truthkeeper88|talk]]) 23:42, 26 June 2011 (UTC) :::::::It can be worked on at CCI space, too, but, again, those can languish quite some time. The CCI I'm working on has been listed for over a year, and I hardly ever have any time to edit it. :/ But if you list it at CCI, probably [[User:MER-C]] will evaluate it. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] ^{[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]} 23:48, 26 June 2011 (UTC) ::::::::Given that the person who has requested to review the case has been disparaging me, I think it needs to be looked at by an uninvolved reviewer. I don't care how it's done, or who does it, but I do know that every page I've looked at has shown close paraphrasing problems. This is ''not'' my fault, and if I were really smart I'd drop it, which I guess make me not smart. As it happens, it's an issue I feel strongly about. [[User:Truthkeeper88|Truthkeeper88]] ([[User talk:Truthkeeper88|talk]]) 00:01, 27 June 2011 (UTC) ::::::::{{ec}} Well, if ''that'' (TK) doesn't sound like a lack of AGF ... It can be done, dusted and reviewd, I am sure, before CCI look at it. - [[User:Sitush|Sitush]] ([[User talk:Sitush|talk]]) 23:50, 26 June 2011 (UTC) ::::::::edit conflict, too: Where does this leave us? Sitush is offering to work with me - and ensure that the approaches are in synch with TK. But it sounds as if it's preferred this go to CCI. Is that what I'm hearing?--[[User:CaroleHenson|CaroleHenson]] ([[User talk:CaroleHenson|talk]]) 23:53, 26 June 2011 (UTC) :::::::Sitush has no credibality on this. You have tried every trick under the book, from talk blanking, to refactoring, to appealoing to higher authorities while smearing us, note Sitush also dis this, that you might as well give up, and let a cold eye judge. 23:57, 26 June 2011 (UTC) {{outdent}} {{ec}} It leaves us with a CCI ''and'' an offer of direct assistance. No big deal. If we take the personalities out of it. - [[User:Sitush|Sitush]] ([[User talk:Sitush|talk]]) 23:58, 26 June 2011 (UTC) :hypocrisy often? [[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="#006633">Ceoil</font>]] 00:00, 27 June 2011 (UTC) ::Ok if we're left with CCI, which sounds like my next step is to back out of this topic until/unless anyone contacts me. Thanks for trying to help Sitush!--[[User:CaroleHenson|CaroleHenson]] ([[User talk:CaroleHenson|talk]]) 00:01, 27 June 2011 (UTC) :{{ec}} x 2. For the record, regarding the unsigned, slightly incoherent msg from Ceoil which I conflicted with. I have not refactored or blanked anything on CH's talk page, now or ever before. Nor, to my knowledge, have I referred Ceoil to a "higher authority" ever before, nor smeared etc. This is getting silly. Back off. - [[User:Sitush|Sitush]] ([[User talk:Sitush|talk]]) 00:02, 27 June 2011 (UTC) ::CH, the offer of help stands. You will gain something from it. I am not perfect. Neither are TK or Ceoil. The CCI will happen in due course if it is proposed, but things should be sorted by then. - [[User:Sitush|Sitush]] ([[User talk:Sitush|talk]]) 00:04, 27 June 2011 (UTC) :::Sitush, you are involved. An uninvolved editor needs to have a look. [[User:Truthkeeper88|Truthkeeper88]] ([[User talk:Truthkeeper88|talk]]) 00:07, 27 June 2011 (UTC) ::::I am no more involved than you. While we wait for CCI to do their stuff (which they are welcome to do) this thing can be done and dusted. Would you rather that the issues you have raised persist here for a year or so (and perhaps further issues are created in that interval due to a lack of appreciation of the subtleties of close paraphrasing) ... or sorted now and reviwed by CCI later? This is pathetic. Your attitude shows the extent to which you and Ceoil have a problem with the personality rather than the content. - [[User:Sitush|Sitush]] ([[User talk:Sitush|talk]]) 00:13, 27 June 2011 (UTC) edit conflict :::Ok, maybe we can start with the non-Van Gogh articles since that's were there's no contention - It was thoughtful of TK to get plenty of examples there, too. I made edits to [[Owl Woman]]. And, it may be the period when I tried to fix the refactoring (which I still don't understand what it means) and asked for 5-10 minutes to sort it out that there may have been some talk blanking (although I don't quite understand that term, either, but have a guess). If I did so, I apologize.--[[User:CaroleHenson|CaroleHenson]] ([[User talk:CaroleHenson|talk]]) 00:10, 27 June 2011 (UTC) :::::: Its not an easily done and dusted matter Sitush, which you are failing to grasp. Insulting me does not adress the substance, that I didn't sign a post does not remove copyvio so please get real. [[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="#006633">Ceoil</font>]] 00:20, 27 June 2011 (UTC) :::::::Maybe we all need a break and come back to this tomorrow. What I'm proposing is that Sitush and I work on the non-Van Gogh examples, which then should give TK's desired effect of holding off for the CCI for the Van Gogh articles. And, if you all decide you'd like us to work on Van Gogh, then we can tackle it then. Actually, I might be forearmed enough to jump in once I'm better informed, if you'd like.--[[User:CaroleHenson|CaroleHenson]] ([[User talk:CaroleHenson|talk]]) 00:23, 27 June 2011 (UTC) ::::::::I have made a start on [[Owl Woman]]. It doesn't matter where we start, we need to go through the lot & this is as good a place as any at which to begin. It may not be an easy ride but we will see. At least something is being done and it is constructive. Apologies, MRG, for the interruption ;) - [[User:Sitush|Sitush]] ([[User talk:Sitush|talk]]) 01:21, 27 June 2011 (UTC) outdent - Moonriddengirl, I apologize greatly for bringing this drama to your page. After looking at perhaps 20 pages with positive results, in fact I've decided not to make a CCI report. After the experiences with ItsLassieTime, scrubbing their pages, being harrassed, etc,., and now this drama, I think I'll just fade away quietly and allow this kind of thing to continue. If I'm to be made the scapegoat whenever I say something, it's very much not worth it in my opinion. Thanks, again, and sorry again. [[User:Truthkeeper88|Truthkeeper88]] ([[User talk:Truthkeeper88|talk]]) 02:13, 27 June 2011 (UTC) :I'm not engaging in talk conversation right now for obvious, historical and it seems ongoing reasons. I did send you a personal email, though, TK - and I'm sure no one thinks you need to be made a scapegoat, you were right to bring up the issue.--[[User:CaroleHenson|CaroleHenson]] ([[User talk:CaroleHenson|talk]]) 02:57, 27 June 2011 (UTC) [[Image:Nice Cup of Tea.jpg|thumb|A Nice Cup of Tea...]] Being in a lovely and very crowded cabin in the mountains at the moment (which, blessedly, offers wireless), I have not been able to review all of this at the various points of discussion. I'm sorry. :) But if I can just make a "statement of philosophy" here, it is ''very important'' to point out copyright issues. It is important for Wikipedia, for our reusers, for copyright holders ([[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/News/August 2010/Editorials#Why we should care|Why I think so]].) Sometimes pointing out issues makes us unpopular. I've been subjected to plenty of personal attacks for it. (Frequently, I think, those who I've approached about problems feel "attacked" by my approach themselves.) Sometimes, after the initial dust settles, people can step back and recognize what's happened without the emotional baggage in the way. The person who gave me the most vile personal attack I've ever received over copyright cleanup later offered an olive branch. Another (nowhere near that bad) later gave me a barnstar, which I treasure. (It means we successfully moved past the issue and he ultimately found it productive.) I'm sorry if there have been personal attacks associated with this. I hope that bad feelings don't linger. Personally, Truthseeker, I ''appreciate'' people who are wiling to make themselves unpopular by making sure this kind of thing is addressed. I also appreciate it when people who have inadvertently created problems in this area are willing to help clean them up by themselves and when others are willing to help them. We can't ask them to do so without assistance at all, because sometimes the issue relates to uncertainty the level of rewrite needed, but if we approach it as a fixable problem, I hope that we'll come out of this with good contributors intact and no lingering ill will. [[Wikipedia:A nice cup of tea and a sit down|Cups of tea offered all around]]. :) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] ^{[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]} 13:02, 27 June 2011 (UTC) :Thank you for your thoughtful post, for the tea, and most importantly for taking the time during a mountain vacation. It's very much appreciated. I'm sending an email to you that has nothing to do with this specific incident, but instead with my motivation for being a wikipedia editor, and necessarily will include personal detail I'd rather not have made public. Otherwise I'd post in full here. Thanks again. [[User:Truthkeeper88|Truthkeeper88]] ([[User talk:Truthkeeper88|talk]]) 13:52, 27 June 2011 (UTC) == Please help with a speedy deleted page == Hi I'm trying to userfy or get an emailed copy of my Michael D. Subrizi page that was deleted. You didn't delete it, but I like your name, so I chose you. Please help me if you can as I spent an hour on it and want to place the information on a personal webpage since it was rejected here. Thank you. 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Do you mind taking a look at [[User:CaroleHenson/Working list#Rules of Thumb|Rule of Thumb]], do you think this is a pretty apt approach and pointers? Anything else that's key that you'd add? I would be happy to take a stab at making changes (in my user space) to the [[Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing]] page to make it a bit more user friendly for us newbies. Thanks! Hope you're enjoying your time at the mountain cabin!--[[User:CaroleHenson|CaroleHenson]] ([[User talk:CaroleHenson|talk]]) 10:26, 28 June 2011 (UTC) :Hi. :) Your Rule of Thumb looks like a good basic approach, but it's missing one of the most major points of recommendation that I use for working on Wikipedia: use multiple sources. Usually, scholarly advice for paraphrasing is based on the assumption that you are using one source, perhaps as a review article. Whenever possible, I use multiple sources, take notes of the facts from them and combine the facts from them into a new work. :As to the Close paraphrasing, please do. :) We'd like to make it as clear as possible to people. :Mountain cabin is beautiful and so quiet! At least when the family is not yet awake. :D --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] ^{[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]} 11:21, 28 June 2011 (UTC) ::Great, thanks I made the change. I'll copy the Close paraphrasing page to my workspace and work on it with the info so far - and then build upon it as I work with Sitush and continue my self-reviews. Then, let you know so that you, and of course anyone you wish, can take a look at it to see if you think it's helpful.--[[User:CaroleHenson|CaroleHenson]] ([[User talk:CaroleHenson|talk]]) 11:43, 28 June 2011 (UTC) == New Page Copyright Issue == Hi, I was hoping to get some assistance with an article I am making. I originally wrote the article using lots of text from a source I believe to be public domain. VernoWhitney rightly deleted the page because I was not able to find anywhere that said the material was public domain, so I have been trying to rewrite the article using mostly my own language and only a few smaller quotes. VernoWhitney was helping my in the process, giving me feedback on several versions on the page I made on my talkpage. Unfortunately VernoWhitney has been missing for a little while and she had recommended you as someone I could get another opinion from. So I was hoping you could perhaps take a moment to review the article on my talk page and let me know if you think I have addressed most of the possible issues. If so, then I will actually create the page. The article can be found [[User:Win.monroe|here]]. My discussion with VernoWhitney regarding the article can be found [[User_talk:VernoWhitney#Copyright_Violation|here]]. Thanks in advance for your time and assistance. It is much appreciated! [[User:Win.monroe|Win.monroe]] ([[User talk:Win.monroe|talk]]) 14:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC) :Hi. I'm happy to help, although I'm traveling at the moment and have limited time. :) :The first thing I notice that may need more work: you have several quotations throughout the article that don't indicate their reason for being. When we have a hard time coming up with different ways to express facts, it can't be tempting to just use the original language and put it into quotation marks. But there's nothing [[transformation (law)|transformative]] about that. You can certainly use their words, but we need consider with each quotation whether we have a good "fair use" reason (some of these are set out in the text portion at [[WP:NFC]]) for doing so. :Looking at one of these quotes, the first in the section on Content, I think perhaps we could put that in our own words, maybe something like this: {{quotation|Between 2007 and 2009, the project collected data in the subject economies about laws that influenced women in the business world. The project did not study such areas as equal pay and affordable childcare, but focused on the ability of women to access government and public institutions; to access, manage and control property; to get and perform a job; to build credit; and to access justice through courts, as well as evaluating the impact of tax laws on women. The project posits that these six areas "have either a direct or indirect impact on the ability of women to get jobs or engage in business activities and become entrepreneurs”.[4] In some cases, where difference was found, the difference was plainly encoded in the law or regulation, while in others there were differences arising from women's typical social, economic or cultural position.}} :That's right off the top of my head and may not be the most eloquent construction. :) You'll note that where I placed the quote, I explicitly used it to attribute a point of view to the project. I do not present the material for its own sake--as fact--but as an indicator of what the project believes. :I would recommend that you take a look at the document, particularly the quotes, and ask yourself if they are being used transformatively. If not, see if you can tweak them a bit, and I'll be happy to take a look later. (By the way, Wikipedia's text is not public domain, either, (although you can liberally reuse it if you attribute it: see [[Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia]]) but you are completely welcome to anything I've written in my example without the need to attribute it if you find it useful.) Please drop me a note in a few days to remind me; otherwise, I'm afraid I may overlook it in the after-travel sorting out. :) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] ^{[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]} 12:00, 29 June 2011 (UTC) :: Thanks for the advice. I reduced the quotes in the content section, as you recommended, although I shortened and edited the language you suggested for the rest of that section. Now the only other quote is one that is a presentation of the project's stated objective, which seems appropriate with respect to the attributing-a-view-point criterion. Additionally, as VernoWhitney suggested, I added some third party citations to address notability. Do you think its ready to be made into a page or are there any other concerns I am overlooking? Thanks again for all your help! [[User:Win.monroe|Win.monroe]] ([[User talk:Win.monroe|talk]]) 15:38, 30 June 2011 (UTC) == [[User:Towagner]] == Hi. I think you <s>banned</s> sanctioned this user, but he......'s back, deleting text. Has he been allowed to return? [[User:Rms125a@hotmail.com|Rms125a@hotmail.com]] ([[User talk:Rms125a@hotmail.com|talk]]) 20:36, 28 June 2011 (UTC) :Hi. :) I don't know. Do you know under what name he was banned or blocked? --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] ^{[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]} 11:30, 29 June 2011 (UTC) :: "13:04, 9 December 2010 Moonriddengirl (talk | contribs) deleted "User talk:Towagner" ‎(Mass removal of pages added by Accotink2; G5; serial copyright infringer)" [[User:Rms125a@hotmail.com|Rms125a@hotmail.com]] ([[User talk:Rms125a@hotmail.com|talk]]) 18:17, 29 June 2011 (UTC) :: BTW: I am not trying to be vindictive. I got the above message when I tried to welcome the user on his talk page, so I just wanted to check with you. [[User:Rms125a@hotmail.com|Rms125a@hotmail.com]] ([[User talk:Rms125a@hotmail.com|talk]]) 18:17, 29 June 2011 (UTC) :::Oh, I see! Thanks for clearing that up. :) It wasn't Towagner who was banned; it's Accotink, who created that talk page. The talk page was deleted automatically as part of a special script which deleted all the pages he created. So far as I know, Towagner is an editor in good standing. :) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] ^{[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]} 23:30, 29 June 2011 (UTC) == Orphaned non-free image File:Naan Mahaan Alla psoter 2.jpg == <span style="font-size:32px; line-height:1em">'''[[Image:Ambox warning blue.svg|35px|left|&#x26A0;]]'''</span> Thanks for uploading '''[[:File:Naan Mahaan Alla psoter 2.jpg]]'''. 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Thank you. <!-- Template:Di-orphaned fair use-notice --> [[User:DASHBot|DASHBot]] ([[User talk:DASHBot|talk]]) 05:51, 29 June 2011 (UTC) :It would appear that [[User:Beetstra]] removed the image from the film article because the FUR had the disambiguation page listed rather than the actual article page and the bot did the rest. Have now restored the image to the article and updated the FUR. [[User:Dpmuk|Dpmuk]] ([[User talk:Dpmuk|talk]]) 08:47, 29 June 2011 (UTC) ::Thank you. :) No reason to delete it now only to have it reuploaded later when it's reparable by changing the FUR link. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] ^{[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]} 11:24, 29 June 2011 (UTC) == Draft of Close Paraphrasing changes == Hi Moonriddengirl, When you have a bit of time, I have finished drafting [[User:CaroleHenson/Edited version of Close Paraphrasing]]. When you have a chance, do you mind taking a look at it to see what you think?--[[User:CaroleHenson|CaroleHenson]] ([[User talk:CaroleHenson|talk]]) 15:39, 29 June 2011 (UTC) :Hi! I certainly will, although I probably won't get to look at it today. You might also want to mention it at the talk page of that essay, unless you're looking for preliminary feedback from me (and/or talk page stalkers) first. :) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] ^{[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]} 23:33, 29 June 2011 (UTC) ::Sure, I'd be happy to do that - and have some specific comments\questions I'll add there, too. I hope you've been enjoying the mountains with your family! I'm live in the foothills of mountains, so I can definitely appreciate how restorative that can be.--[[User:CaroleHenson|CaroleHenson]] ([[User talk:CaroleHenson|talk]]) 01:59, 30 June 2011 (UTC) :::Thanks. They're gorgeous. :) And s'mores! I've only ever had them in the microwave before. :D --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] ^{[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]} 02:02, 30 June 2011 (UTC) ::::Yum!--[[User:CaroleHenson|CaroleHenson]] ([[User talk:CaroleHenson|talk]]) 02:20, 30 June 2011 (UTC) == That Ticket about PR images == Hi. Do you remember that old otrs ticket about some Puerto Rican images, that came out to be invalid (or partially invalid)? What would be the status of [[:File:SS Euripides Rubio jpg.jpg]]? I believe it uses that ticket, but it lacks a licensing tag. I'm trying to tag it as such but some funny editor is reverting it, and making fun of the licensing (by creating a template just for that image). I'm not in the mood to deal with that kind of person right now, so I believe you would know what to do with this image. Thanks, --[[User:Damiens.rf|<span class="I_STALK_DAMIENS">damiens.rf</span>]] 13:27, 30 June 2011 (UTC) == [[List of highest-grossing Bollywood films in overseas markets]] == Hi, I raised the copyright issue on this article talk page over a week ago with no replies. As per other mass use of numbers from boxofficeindia.com, the full reproduction of these lists appears a copyvio against advice already received. In this case there might be grounds to argue that overseas income ''might'' be based on independently accountable figures rather than expert estimates. Unfortunately as only boxofficeindia appears as a source we might still need to take down the tables of ranked figures until alternatives are identified (if they exist). I would appreciate your critical eye. Cheers, [[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 13:40, 30 June 2011 (UTC) == [[List of highest-grossing films]] == Hey, okay then - I did it. I put a copyright tag on the page and started a discussion. I would appreciate yout help on whatever must happen next. [[User:Shshshsh|<span style="color:blue">'''''Shahid'''''</span>]] • ^{''[[User talk:Shshshsh|<span style="color:teal">Talk</span><span style="color:black">'''2'''</span><span style="color:teal">me</span>]]''} 07:52, 1 July 2011 (UTC) :I have responded on the article talk page, this is an entirely different scenario. --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 09:11, 1 July 2011 (UTC) Moonriddengirl, a few days ago I sent a mail to an admin from boxofficeindia. I asked him to give us a permission to use their numbers freely. The response I got from the site's admin, Harminder, is, "It's fine to use the data on the site as long as credit is given." I believe it's not enough. What should I actually ask him to do if they have no problem with that? [[User:Shshshsh|<span style="color:blue">'''''Shahid'''''</span>]] • ^{''[[User talk:Shshshsh|<span style="color:teal">Talk</span><span style="color:black">'''2'''</span><span style="color:teal">me</span>]]''} 11:34, 1 July 2011 (UTC) == A barnstar for you! == {| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;" |rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Administrator Barnstar Hires.png|100px]] |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Admin's Barnstar''' |- |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For some of the grossly interesting things in life, here's a barnstar for you. Oh, did I mentioned that there's a new feature here??? {{=)|wink}} ~~~~ |}'