Talk:1954 Busan Yongdusan fires

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A fact from 1954 Busan Yongdusan fires appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 6 September 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that 30 royal portraits of Korean kings were completely destroyed in a 1954 fire in Busan, South Korea?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/September. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/1954 Busan Yongdusan fire.

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English references

I would be very surprised if there are any English references about this incident (considering there aren't many in Korean in the first place), but any reliable English source would be quite helpful if this draft is aiming for a higher assessment scale (currently the only one I can find is a machine translated NamuWiki article which is the last thing we should consider as a reliable source). 00101984hjw (talk) 07:00, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I tried looking in English earlier but couldn't find anything in Google Books/Scholar. Also great job with the expansion!

Also I just realized perhaps "1954 Busan Yongdusan fires" is a more appropriate title, given that we cover both fires in it. 211.43.120.242 (talk) 10:07, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I second (and support) that—I came here to the talk page to point that out myself. —DocWatson42 (talk) 13:01, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 19:14, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that 30 royal portraits of Korean kings were completely lost in a 1954 fire in Busan, South Korea?

Source: completely lost

ALT1: ... that a 1954 fire in Busan, South Korea, caused the loss of more than 3,400 historic relics, including historic portraits of kings of the Joseon dynasty? Source: caused the loss of around 3,400 historic relics, including historic portraits of kings of the Joseon dynasty
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Created by 00101984hjw (talk) and 211.43.120.242 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

00101984hjw (talk) 04:23, 8 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Please wikilink the target article in bold font in those hooks. Schwede 66 05:46, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I modified the original post to add wikilinks. 211.43.120.242 (talk) 14:00, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Helping out with a ref for both hooks [1] (also in the article). Quotes in orig. Korean with my translation: "위 기사에서도 볼 수 있듯, 4천여 점에 이르는 유물 가운데 자그마치 3천4백 점이 잿더미가 되는 대참사가 일어나죠... 이 가운데는 48점이나 되는 조선 역대 임금의 초상화도 들어 있었습니다. 그나마 불에 타고 남은 조각이라도 건진 것은 다 합쳐서 18점. 나머지 30점은 화마(火魔)에 흔적도 없이 사라지고 말았습니다." -> "As you can see in the article above, a disaster occurred in which 3,400 of 4,000 relics were reduced to ashes in an instant... Among these were 48 portraits of past kings of the Joseon Dynasty. 18 items among these were salvaged, with the remaining 30 being completely lost." 211.43.120.242 (talk) 13:58, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Nice work on a neglected topic. Just one thing... The old Kyung Hyang newspaper image shown in your source says "3400餘點이 釜山火災". '3400餘點' means 'more than 3400 and less than 3500' therefore 3400—3500. While 'around 3400' is not technically wrong, a more precise translation would be '3400—3500'. See this article: '여(餘)'는 수량을 나타내는 말(십·백·천·만 등) 뒤에 붙어 '그 수를 넘음'의 뜻을 더하는 접미사로 사용된다. '10만여'는 그 범위가 10만을 넘지만 11만 미만임을 나타낸다. 10만 1부터 10만 9999까지의 어느 수를 이른다. BorgQueen (talk) 23:21, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@211.43.120.242 and 00101984hjw: pinging. BorgQueen (talk) 23:29, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Much thanks for the review! I think it'll be fine to leave the hook for now as some of the sources ([2]) also cite "around 3400" (3400여 점) relics. -- 00101984hjw (talk) 00:38, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @00101984hjw: The very source you just cited translates "...1981년에 9만여 점으로 확대되어" (국문요약, page 165) to "...became more than 90,000 in 1981" (See the English abstract, page 203), not "around" 90,000. BorgQueen (talk) 01:27, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - 한국어로 말씀드릴께요. 3400여점이란 말은 3400점이 넘는다는, 그러나 3500점이 안된다는 말입니다. 이걸 around 3400로 번역할 경우 3400에 약간 못미치는 수도 포함하기 때문에 정확한 번역이 아니라는거죠. BorgQueen (talk) 01:32, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - @BorgQueen: Fair enough. Should we change the hook then? -- 00101984hjw (talk) 01:39, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      - I've reworded the hook. I'll fix the wording in the article too, when I have more time. Thanks for your understanding. BorgQueen (talk) 01:45, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SL93: Would you like to promote this one? It's getting pretty old and I'm the reviewer so I can't help with that. BorgQueen (talk) 18:45, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]